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DF - Assassin's Creed Valhalla: PS5 vs Xbox Series X/ Series S Next-Gen Comparison!
Riky
$MSFT
It's 30fps.
The PS5 and Series X shock comparison of OS5 outperforming took the spotlight for me but I just realised the Series S performing at lower resolution, lower quality assets at half the framerate is a big deal. Series S was marketed as a system that runs games exactly the same but rendered at a lower resolution. So I never expected framerate to be halved. Now imagine if a next gen only Assassin's Creed runs at 30fps on Series X, imagine how many sacrifices Series S version has to make, so Series S will truly hold back next gen.
freefornow
Member
That last sentence did not age well.Albert Penello said this back in 2013 before the consoles launched. Thought it was funny to repost it.
Adam Sessler & Albert Penello on the Xbox One (Interview)
He meant graphics. Did you see Infamous:Second Son? I have seen Infamous... it looks next gen, but so does Ryse visually, and to some people even more so than Infamous which looks good, but at no point does anyone feel like Infamous makes Ryse look a league apart, both are serious eye candy...www.neogaf.com
There have been a lot deaths as a result of that uphill battle. Only one made it to the top!
Riky
$MSFT
Untrue
DMC5 on Xbox was better on 75% of modes.
The other mode DF said the average framerate was the same 100fps.
Old Empire.
Member
It's well known third party studio's had access to Sony specs a year before Microsoft.
Microsoft also claimed there the only console with a Full RDNA2 GPU? Sony GPU not full RDNA2? Then the devs have less familiarising to do here if Sony chipset not a full custom RDNA2 chip.
MS held out for the latest gpu from AMD, alleged Sony did not and they had a year head start. Sony having a slight head start at the beginning not surprising here. It's very unrealistic to believe Sony can maintain this lead with a 2 teraflop difference on the series.
PS5 would be breaking all known rules about hardware for it to outperform the Series X going forward.
Microsoft also claimed there the only console with a Full RDNA2 GPU? Sony GPU not full RDNA2? Then the devs have less familiarising to do here if Sony chipset not a full custom RDNA2 chip.
MS held out for the latest gpu from AMD, alleged Sony did not and they had a year head start. Sony having a slight head start at the beginning not surprising here. It's very unrealistic to believe Sony can maintain this lead with a 2 teraflop difference on the series.
PS5 would be breaking all known rules about hardware for it to outperform the Series X going forward.
killatopak
Gold Member
I mean you probably haven’t read shit in the past few days if you typed this up.
Plenty of evidence suggests Xbox was finalized before the PS5. I mean even the full RDNA2 doesn‘t hold up when there are key features missing on Xbox.
nikolino840
Member
Someone could ask why the ps5 can't stay at 4k and 60fps...what's the missing piece of the puzzle?
Quantum253
Member
Made me think of putting a Lamborghini body on a Pontiac Fiero
assurdum
Banned
"Better". It's not even possible perceive such difference. If at the end of the generation the difference will be just that or even wider but remotely perceivable, all that discussion about the better multiplat are simply comical.
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Md Ray
Member
Could you explain why Series S isn't the same version as Series X but at a lower resolution, as MS advertised?
Why so many compromises?
The frame-rate is halved, lower quality shadows, lower quality LODs + lower rendering resolution on top.
Old Empire.
Member
That's not true. MS allegedly held out for the newer chipset. AMD even announced it they partnered with Microsoft. Sony made no such claim there GPU full RDNA2. Sony had to have purchased a chipset of AMD before MS that based on RDNA1 and 2.
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GHG
Member
I feel sorry for the people who bought the series X on the promise of better performing multiplatform games.
Especially if they got both consoles and then bought games like this on the Series X under the assumption that it would perform better.
As for the people who have been chatting shit for months and will now defend this - I don't feel sorry for you.
Especially if they got both consoles and then bought games like this on the Series X under the assumption that it would perform better.
As for the people who have been chatting shit for months and will now defend this - I don't feel sorry for you.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
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MightySquirrel
Banned
It has to be Dx12 vs whatever PS uses at this point.
How can same arch RDNA 2 gpu, but with only measly 36 CU outperform 52 CU gpu + higher memory bandwidth to boot? CPU is same in both [Zen 2], but even lower clocked on ps5. This must be so embarrassing for Xbox software team.
How can same arch RDNA 2 gpu, but with only measly 36 CU outperform 52 CU gpu + higher memory bandwidth to boot? CPU is same in both [Zen 2], but even lower clocked on ps5. This must be so embarrassing for Xbox software team.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Coulomb_Barrier
Member
Yep I think the PS5 will lead in multiplats the entire gen. What will happen is Series X will offer more performance in a minority of games as the gen matures.
Krappadizzle
Member
Nobody should be dying on their sword for either consoles. It's just the start, PS5 owners will get a win, XsX will get wins, and when you have a "win" like this, it's not really much to be bragging about to begin with. People are literally argue over milliseconds of torn frames. If you think PS5 is gonna hold a dominant position on every multiplatform game, you'll just be setting yourself up for disappointment. It'll be interesting in say 2 years time when we get actual next-gen games instead of these cross-gen games from studios that are stretching out development across 7 different platforms.
PharaoTutAnchAmun
Member
But but the Xbox SeX was 40-50% more powerfull according to Xboxfans
shenmue mugen
Member
Oh my...yeah, he must be kidding
assurdum
Banned
I wouldn't count too much on that. Could happen but not for the most of the times. Again I continue to persist such difference will ended to be not that big gulf as so many continue to prophesy, so who cares.
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ABnormal
Member
Old Empire.
Member
Hendrick's
If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
Why is this BS allowed to be posted on here? This has been proven false many times over.
HAL-01
Member
There’s no missing piece. They could’ve made it run at 4K/60, but it’d look worse. There’s no certain power threshold where 4k60 is a guarantee. Power can always be used somewhere else
Ev1L AuRoN
Member
Other than having the same core architecture the consoles are fairly customized, They are not the same.
basic_element
Member
BOOM. Xbox Secret Sauce coming. Checkmate Playstation!
Yoboman
Member
No it hasn't
Hendrick's
If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
Yes it has. Where is you evidence that it is not full RDNA2?
GreyHand23
Member
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gooner4life_uk
Member
Well, it's quite deep but Teraflops are not a measure of gaming performance because Teraflops are the theoretical maximum floating point compute performance of a GPU, games are not all FP16/FP32 instructions, some of the code will be compute heavy, but ultimately what appears on screen will often be down to what GPU can draw triangles the fastest, we still have gameworlds made of polygons, which are triangles, PS5 is significantly faster at raster performance, so it can draw more triangles, infact in 5 out of 7 performance metrics the PS5 beats the Series X GPU, PS5's GPU is very fast and narrow, the CU's will be full of tasks constantly getting nearer to it's maximum theoretical performance, where as Series X is wide and slow, you wont fill 52 CU's and the one's that are full wont get anywhere close to that theoretical maximum 12.4teraflops, so you end up with a GPU that's got stalled CU's doing nothing, with split memory configuration, less raster performance, and not getting anywhere close to it's theoretical maximum compute performance.
PharaoTutAnchAmun
Member
Yeah Mark cerny was right afterall, now lets see if he was right about the GPU CU count
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None of you have any idea about GDK. If they aren't polished then it's Microsoft fault. Stop defending companies. They don't pay you.
Performance is close and I am sure Xbox will catch up with PlayStation. Hopefully Xbox shills on twitter will now shut the fuck up and concentrate on playing games rather gloating about useless words like "full RDNA 2" and explain English on what "and" and "at" means.
Performance is close and I am sure Xbox will catch up with PlayStation. Hopefully Xbox shills on twitter will now shut the fuck up and concentrate on playing games rather gloating about useless words like "full RDNA 2" and explain English on what "and" and "at" means.
Yoboman
Member
I just posted it. Their leaks have been spot on for everything AMD related
And that doesn't stop it from having the full RDNA2 feature set and additions like ray tracing. Its just the CUs that are based on RDNA1 - probably because MS chose to use more CUs at a lower frequency
Hendrick's
If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
A single Tweet is your proof? GTFO
Riky
$MSFT
Easily.
Ubisoft made it not Microsoft. I'm actually surprised it goes to 1600p plus, they would have been better at a lower resolution and upping the settings.
Although I've played all four Xbox versions and I didn't notice the shadows etc, you just don't see that sort of stuff whilst your playing the game. I was pretty happy with the Series S version after I played One X.
Gojko_of_Rivia
Neo Member
9TF beats 12TF? Even Thanos is confused by Cerny dark magic
Riky
$MSFT
Exactly, Microsoft and AMD say it's RDNA2, I know who I believe.
MightySquirrel
Banned
That is not at all the case on PC for some reason? If we compare GPU from same architecture. Higher CU gpu ALWAYS outperforms lower CU count part significantly even if bigger part runs at lower clocks, especially at higher resolution.
Invalid GR
Member
Probably at least another $100 in MSRP. Even PC GPUs that cost more than the PS5/XSX struggle with 4K/60fps. Many people forget that 4K@60fps is something difficult to render,native at least.
BlueXImpulse
Banned
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SoraNoKuni
Member
But it eats monsters for breakfast!! Muh!
If I was an xbox fans I would be pissed af, this is almost deceptive marketing, they shouted about their performance lead only to fail miserably.
Abandon xbox, and just focus on gamepass
If I was an xbox fans I would be pissed af, this is almost deceptive marketing, they shouted about their performance lead only to fail miserably.
Abandon xbox, and just focus on gamepass
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gooner4life_uk
Member
It's quite simple, compare any same architecture GPU, the slower clocked, higher compute GPU will also have more ROP's so it's raster performance is way above the mid range card etc, with Series X and PS5 Microsoft went wide and slow with 64 rops and Sony went narrow fast and 64 rops, raster performance is 40% better on PS5.
GHG
Member
Nobody should be dying on their sword for either consoles. It's just the start, PS5 owners will get a win, XsX will get wins, and when you have a "win" like this, it's not really much to be bragging about to begin with. People are literally argue over milliseconds of torn frames. If you think PS5 is gonna hold a dominant position on every multiplatform game, you'll just be setting yourself up for disappointment. It'll be interesting in say 2 years time when we get actual next-gen games instead of these cross-gen games from studios that are stretching out development across 7 different platforms.
Here's the thing, nobody expected the PS5 to be the better performing platform for multiplatform games. What was being said was that the Series X would be 30%+ better, the PS5 wouldn't be able to handle ray tracing, etc, etc, with nothing to substantiate those claims. When people said that theoretical peak teraflops don't tell the whole story... Well you know what happened. Yet here we are. The egg on their face is 100% deserved.
And yet look, still they go on:
And on:
It's ridiculous, be humble.
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MasterCornholio
Member
RDNA2 CUs are supposed to be larger than RDNA1 CUs. With that said once we get an X-ray of the PS5s die we will he able to compare the CU sizes and see if it's true. Thankfully that's should happen really soon with the consoles already out there.
Coulomb_Barrier
Member
The tools/GDK being behind PS5's was debunked on camera by the Ubisoft technical director that has worked on both SDKs. That's word from the horse's mouth and night and day more credible than the damage control 'according to developer sources Xbox GDK is coming in hot'. Sony's SDK is coming in hot.