John Wick
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Ask your friend does he get a stiffy on when he thinks that's not HDMI 2.1?
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Ps5 chipset limited you 32gbps over HDMI 2.1
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GymWolf
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I mean, is it really a lie that they have a faster gpu\ram\cpu??
We all know the specs, it's not like they have a 5 tf gpu instead of a 12 tf gpu, i think the microsoft team onestly believed to have the best machine for multiplatform games and a lot of people believed that.
You still have to take in account lack of optimization and lazy devs, also the tools\driver are probably not definitive yet, devs have to learn every tricks in these consolles etc.
It's not a white and black situation here, you can bet your ass that some games are gonna run better on sex in the next 7 years.
And no, as a final customer and non sony stock broker, i care a lot about having my favourite brands being made with a fucking ancient machine in mind, more than a couple of frames difference between multiplatforms games, different priorities i guess.
And please, ps3 sold more than 80 mil of consolles and all the big sony games where still exclusive to ps4, and sony is such in a better place compared to ps4 launch period, they don't need to do this to survive, they are just greedy as fuck, again final customer here, i don't give a fuck about their stocks, i care about having nextgen games in my damn nextgen console.
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John Wick
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So what are you doing in this thread?
fast_taker
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So the bandwidth limitation is the reason why ps5 has no dolby vision. Generally speaking 8bit is not hdr, so i am wondering what kind of crappy hdr implementation ps5 has at 4k.
For people hoping for a patch, well this might not be possible. Lg C9 has 48gbps hdmi while lg cx has 40gbps hdmi and this is a hardaware limitation and cannot be changed via a software/firmware update.
For people hoping for a patch, well this might not be possible. Lg C9 has 48gbps hdmi while lg cx has 40gbps hdmi and this is a hardaware limitation and cannot be changed via a software/firmware update.
FrankWza
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They’re the ones that changed the wording to fastest xbox ever.
or, they told people what they wanted to hear. Again, and again and again.
ah, the tools. The conservative x power over PS5 was 18% overall. At those numbers it should be outperforming it today. Not in a year or 2.
it was ALL games 2 weeks ago and for the last 6 months.
look, this thread is ababout an issue that will be patched. If anyone cares todiscuss each consoles shortcomings vs the other I suggest taking it to the next gen thread. Or any of the multiplat comparison threads.
StateofMajora
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Maybe, I wasn't sure since you ignored my followup question about the cable.
I'm the same way with xbox ; i'll believe the performance matches its 12tf's when I see it.
Jigga117
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No Sony had no plans to release Dolby Vision regardless. That isnt relevant to this. The LG C9 isn’t gaining any more benefit than the CX having 40Gbps. If I switch my Xbox Series X to 4k@120hz 444 12bit HDR, in the diagnostic menu it reverts it to 8 bit and plays games at 10bit
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DeepEnigma
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I didn't even notice, my apologies.
As far as the follow up, it was due to me just identifying patterns. Their TV they were hocking for the "PS5 TV to get" is 48GB/s, they shipped with the cable (just not certed in time so people assume it was 2.0 but it's 2.1), thus the patterned conclusion is that the console would eventually be the same for synergy of their messaging over the past couple of years (the one about all their divisions now working more seamlessly together sharing tech, etc). I would think they would not only want it for gaming, but the UHD drive as well for the 48GB/s.
But you are correct, we should wait and see.
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ShirAhava
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To see if the chipset is actually limited and after reading the OP and finding out it is I gave my honest opinion on the matter and was no longer in this thread until you commented
GymWolf
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I don't really care about multiplats confrontations, i have a ps5 for exclusives and a pc for multy, i always play the best version of a game, i was just laughing at how M is shitted on even when sony was the biggest liar at the beginning of this gen (not for you because maybe you don't care about crossgen, but we are all different in this world).They’re the ones that changed the wording to fastest xbox ever.
or, they told people what they wanted to hear. Again, and again and again.
ah, the tools. The conservative x power over PS5 was 18% overall. At those numbers it should be outperforming it today. Not in a year or 2.
it was ALL games 2 weeks ago and for the last 6 months.
look, this thread is ababout an issue that will be patched. If anyone cares todiscuss each consoles shortcomings vs the other I suggest taking it to the next gen thread. Or any of the multiplat comparison threads.
fast_taker
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You need 48gbps hdmi for 4k@120hz 12bit 4:4:4 chroma. Reagrding the lg diagnostic menu i quote from avsforums: "When the TV is getting a 4:2:2 HDR signal it is always reported as 8-bit even though it is receiving 12-bit. This is a technical limitation of HDMI. The only way to verify what bit-depth you are getting is to use test patterns. It's the same reason why Dolby Vision is reported as SDR. Because the TV doesn't actually "know" what it is getting."
Clarissa
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After bashing the ps5 all day he praised Nintendo for the rest of the day, reminded eveyone to get the new Hyrule Warriors and linked this
Nintendo Switch Contributes To "Record Gaming Console Revenue" For Nvidia
Nvidia has listed Nintendo Switch as contributing to "record gaming console revenue" for them thanks to strong demand during their earnings call.
gameinfinitus.com
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FrankWza
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i get it. I wasn’t directing that to you specifically but mostly in general.
John Wick
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Yeah because he tried to apply it just to PS5 fans and not Xbox because they are just as much guilty if not more. Waiting is a MS game
John Wick
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So which one did you/he do? Bash PS5 all day or Praise nintendo for the rest of the day? You can't do both. Would you/he like a Blue Peter badge for your efforts?After bashing the ps5 all day he praised Nintendo for the rest of the day, reminded eveyone to get the new Hyrule Warriors and linked this
Nintendo Switch Contributes To "Record Gaming Console Revenue" For Nvidia
Nvidia has listed Nintendo Switch as contributing to "record gaming console revenue" for them thanks to strong demand during their earnings call.
I'm playing Sack Boy a Big Adventure
John Wick
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Why are you talking sense for? This goes against the console warrior narrative
Concern
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This thread is great. The level of insecurity and projecting is just pure entertainment.
More patches coming "soony".
Had this been an Xbox thing, the same trolls would be slinging shit all over it. Its almost like the consoles ain't even out yet considering the fanboys are still on here 24/7.
More patches coming "soony".
Had this been an Xbox thing, the same trolls would be slinging shit all over it. Its almost like the consoles ain't even out yet considering the fanboys are still on here 24/7.
John Wick
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Again spot on.
Kokoloko85
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Lol, Im sure it will be “sorted“ soon.
But I cudnt care less right now, its running awesomely
But I cudnt care less right now, its running awesomely
John Wick
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I don't give a damn about stuff like ratchet when the biggest new IPs from last gen are gonna be crossgen for the next 1-2 years, that is not how you believe in generations, no matter the spin some peope try to put on the argument.
I have to thank sony because some games are ps5 exclusives?? That is the fucking bottom of the barrel requirement when you start a new gen ffs...
Microsoft was more honest about exclusives in their ecosystem since day zero.
My point is, they both lie so it's hilarious to think that everything that sony says is true and everything that M says is fake, this is pure fanboyism.
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Jim Ryan is an asshole and was stupid to say that and then weeks later then announce crossgen games. Same with his bullshit over BC for PS1, 2 and 3 games. I preffered Shawn Laydon he was a much better spokesperson for PS. MS are far more deceptive than Sony but it's not that Sony are 100% true either.
I have to thank sony because some games are ps5 exclusives?? That is the fucking bottom of the barrel requirement when you start a new gen ffs...
Microsoft was more honest about exclusives in their ecosystem since day zero.
My point is, they both lie so it's hilarious to think that everything that sony says is true and everything that M says is fake, this is pure fanboyism.
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Jim Ryan is an asshole and was stupid to say that and then weeks later then announce crossgen games. Same with his bullshit over BC for PS1, 2 and 3 games. I preffered Shawn Laydon he was a much better spokesperson for PS. MS are far more deceptive than Sony but it's not that Sony are 100% true either.
skneogaf
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How do you get this information up?On 2019/2020 OLEDs this is what you should see when it is set to 4k@120hdr. I have my Series X on my 77/55 C9s set with RGB
Dashboard is in SDR 10BIT
Game is HDR along with the PHY showing the bandwidth is locked in.
John Wick
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But why? These are peasant problems so why would it concern you what with your display port and such? Driveby Trolling at it's finestTo see if the chipset is actually limited and after reading the OP and finding out it is I gave my honest opinion on the matter and was no longer in this thread until you commented
John Wick
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Dev tool updates coming soony. Oh let's not forget the exclusives either they will be real soony
HundredThousandTrillion
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Sony is a gigantic company. I'd be surprised if these two divisions even sat on a Zoom call...let alone be in the same room. Sharing specifications is probably as far as this went.
The x900h push seemed like it was led by product marketing more than anything else.
Jigga117
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Clearly you haven’t read or seen others posted on this. Do some research. I am one of the few hear pointing out what you need and get based on bandwidth.
DeepEnigma
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You may be right, I was also going by this,
And more importantly this,
"We want to remove the silos." - American Builders Quarterly
In 2012, Sony CEO Kazuo Hirai announced the One Sony Initiative: an effort to realign the company’s many subsidiaries into a more cohesive whole. Craig W. Logan explains how the initiative is bringing unity to the company’s real estate portfolio.
americanbuildersquarterly.com
Blood Borne
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Concern - The Thread.
bitbydeath
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It got an upgrade.
Of course people are on here 24/7. Finding a next console is damn near impossible.
MasterCornholio
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Actually Sony already promised a patch for 8K Support and VRR is in the specifications. So they are coming unless you're accusing Sony of lying.
Jigga117
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Settings, channel, highlight channel tuning. Press 1 five times on your remote
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DeepEnigma
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ShirAhava
Plays with kids toys, in the adult gaming world
Peasant is your word I never said that don't be so hard on yourself man.
My concern is what systems should I tell my friend who owns his own sports/gaming bar to order
when he upgrades his consoles/tvs next year.
I wasn't aware keeping informed with current events and giving my thoughts on the matter was 'trolling'
Nor is reflecting the reality of the situation 'trolling' The PS5 seems like its cutting a lot of corners it sucks
Be upset with sony not a fellow Gaffer for displaying critical thinking skills
Handy Fake
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Who the devil is this wittering clownshoe?
John Wick
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"More money for sony I guess seems like a real racket for 500 quid but its nice for the kids and the poorsPeasant is your word I never said that don't be so hard on yourself man.
My concern is what systems should I tell my friend who owns his own sports/gaming bar to order
when he upgrades his consoles/tvs next year.
I wasn't aware keeping informed with current events and giving my thoughts on the matter was 'trolling'
Nor is reflecting the reality of the situation 'trolling' The PS5 seems like its cutting a lot of corners it sucks
Be upset with sony not a fellow Gaffer for displaying critical thinking skills
I live in the adult gaming world with things like displayport and DLSS so its not my problem I suppose"
I think you need to have a good look in the mirror thinking your someone better than everyone else attitude. What do you think poor and peasant are totally different things?
So what's it like in the Adult gaming world? The one that kids and poors don't live in? So why not display your amazing critical thinking and spec us a PC for £450 that doesn't suck and hasn't cut any corners and your made up friend can put in the sports/gaming bar he doesn't own?
John Wick
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He's from the adult world. Apparently he's going to give us the secret to a £450 PC that has amazing exclusives where we can use DLSS and displayport
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Handy Fake
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It's like VFX Veteran after a full frontal lobotomy.
alabtrosMyster
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They should to support it so that games don't have to change the output resolution to 1080p/120 just to run a 120fps game in HDR. Same for 8k TVs, your hames will still remder at the same resolution, they are just going to upscale to 8k instead of 4.
Anyway, it doesn't affect me, but I figure it would be better to have it now given that the generation will last at least 7 years.
Shmunter
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That’s in the future I presumeIt got an upgrade.
I'm enjoying the MCC at 4k120 and will be enjoying Squadrons at 4k120.
Deaconstanjesusman
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Sony have just updated their faq that vrr is coming.
DeepEnigma
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New video, cable is Ultra Speed.
BluRayHiDef
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I'm currently using a TCL 55R635 as a 4K monitor, which is a 55" 4K TV with a 120Hz panel. However, it can convey a 120Hz signal at only 1440p and below (with or without HDR enabled); at 4K, it's limited to 60Hz. According to its official specifications, the TV supports Variable Refresh Rate (VRR) and Auto Low Latency Mode (ALLM); I don't know how to verify when VRR is active, but I do know when ALLM is active because when I start a game on my Xbox One X, it displays a notification that it has activated the TV's game mode.
Anyhow, I'd like to know what I'm missing out on in terms of image quality due to the TV's limited combinations of color formats, color depth, and refresh rate, etc, which I will explain.
When using Windows 10, the default resolution, refresh rate, and color settings in Nvidia Control Panel are as follows:
Resolution: 4k x 2k, 3840 x 2160 (native)
Refresh rate: 60Hz
Desktop Color Depth: 32-bit
Output Color Depth: 8 bits per color
Output Color Format: RGB
Output Dynamic Range: Full
If I want to set the output color depth to 10 bits per color or 12 bits per color, I have to set the output color format to either yCbCr 422 or yCbCr 420, which sets the dynamic range to Limited.
Setting the output color format to yCbCr 444 limits the color depth to 8 bits per color and the dynamic range to Limited.
However, if I lower the refresh rate to 30Hz or lower, I can set the output color depth to 10 bits per color or 12 bits per color in combination with the yCbCr 444 color format or with the RBB color format (Limited or Full).
When I set the resolution to 2560 x 1440, the refresh rate is locked to 120Hz and the default color settings that I listed above are loaded.
Also, whenever I force Windows 10 to output HDR, my TV's HDR mode is activated but the default color settings listed above are maintained, which is puzzling because the default output color depth is 8 bits per color even though HDR is 10 bits per color (or 12 bits per color for Dolby Vision). What's the explanation for this?
I'm personally content with this display despite these limitations; however, I am curious. So, what am I missing out on? What is the maximum bandwidth that my TV's HDMI ports can covey based on this information?
Anyhow, I'd like to know what I'm missing out on in terms of image quality due to the TV's limited combinations of color formats, color depth, and refresh rate, etc, which I will explain.
When using Windows 10, the default resolution, refresh rate, and color settings in Nvidia Control Panel are as follows:
Resolution: 4k x 2k, 3840 x 2160 (native)
Refresh rate: 60Hz
Desktop Color Depth: 32-bit
Output Color Depth: 8 bits per color
Output Color Format: RGB
Output Dynamic Range: Full
If I want to set the output color depth to 10 bits per color or 12 bits per color, I have to set the output color format to either yCbCr 422 or yCbCr 420, which sets the dynamic range to Limited.
Setting the output color format to yCbCr 444 limits the color depth to 8 bits per color and the dynamic range to Limited.
However, if I lower the refresh rate to 30Hz or lower, I can set the output color depth to 10 bits per color or 12 bits per color in combination with the yCbCr 444 color format or with the RBB color format (Limited or Full).
When I set the resolution to 2560 x 1440, the refresh rate is locked to 120Hz and the default color settings that I listed above are loaded.
Also, whenever I force Windows 10 to output HDR, my TV's HDR mode is activated but the default color settings listed above are maintained, which is puzzling because the default output color depth is 8 bits per color even though HDR is 10 bits per color (or 12 bits per color for Dolby Vision). What's the explanation for this?
I'm personally content with this display despite these limitations; however, I am curious. So, what am I missing out on? What is the maximum bandwidth that my TV's HDMI ports can covey based on this information?
Jigga117
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Your TVs bandwidth limitation is 18Gbps for HDMI 2.0b.
The panel display panel can limit your ability even if the HDMI port can support the relative bandwidth. Overall your limitation comes down to those two combinations. VRR is standard with 2.1 and as we know the Xbox One S, X and GPUs with windows 10 support VRR prior to this gen.
BluRayHiDef
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Your TVs bandwidth limitation is 18Gbps for HDMI 2.0b.
The panel display panel can limit your ability even if the HDMI port can support the relative bandwidth. Overall your limitation comes down to those two combinations. VRR is standard with 2.1 and as we know the Xbox One S, X and GPUs with windows 10 support VRR prior to this gen.
Thanks for the reply.
What HDMI standard supports 4:4:4/RGB with 10 bits and 12 bits @ 20.05/20.06Gbps? Would that be HDMI 2.1, since it's more than what HDMI 2.0b is capable of? As for VRR, my TV supports it even though it's HDMI 2.0b. How do I activate it in Windows 10?
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Jigga117
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right click on your desktop and choose display settings and graphic settings
Yes anything additional to 18GBPS would fall under HDMI 2.1. This is why before the 3000 series came out we could t achieve 10bit 444 for 4k@60
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Shmunter
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He likes ultra high speed.....like his sexual encountersI enjoy it when professionals like Vincent shoot down fud like the ps5 hdmi cable isn't ultra high speed cable
Cheers vinny!
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