3liteDragon
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Probably best to wait for DF’s analysis.
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Probably best to wait for DF’s analysis.
M1chl
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GTX1660 is pretty shit, so no.
Was just having a little go.
THEAP99
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Can you like elaborate some more so I can explain that to him?
FrankWza
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I’ll give a shot anyway. I hate those rigid cables but I’ll take what I can right now as long as it works .Thanks.
mindfreak191
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THe 1660 is like a 2 generations behind GPU, it has no support for RT and it's basically the bottom of the barrel, I think you need at least a 2060 to even have a chance to compete with the ps5 or series x.
THEAP99
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He also said "I have AMD Ryzen 5 with a 1060 so I’m guessing high-ultra" for cyberpunk & "200+ FPS on PC vs what on console? 60-120fps" he also said"
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MasterCornholio
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Was just having a little go.
Dang nabit thats how it starts. And the you get hooked for life. Dont you know that bungers are a gateway food?
Sooner or later
sircaw
is going to turn into fish sticks because of you. Don't you know he had a beautiful wife and kids?
Edit: My mistake
sircaw
wife ate his kids so you won't have to worry about getting sued for child support.
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sircaw
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geordiemp
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RaZoR No1
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I think it is weirder, that the HDMI bandwidth on PS5 is limited to 32 gbps (or is this a FUD?) and will be raised in an update (?).
It looks like there are a lot of issues with HDMI 2.1. Even the PS5 TV XH90 needs updates to fully support all 2.1 features.
Is HDMI 2.1 very taxing? Could someone test some XSX games with HDMI 2.0 and check, if it somehow slows down the console(checking the tearing and the fps drops?)? It is strange that only MS managed to implement it "correctly" into the console and not Sony.
VanSiriusGabriel
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Tripolygon
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M1chl
Currently Gif and Meme Champion
It's not that powerfull, it's like around X1X in horsepower, but that PC has better CPU than X1X. So most likely games will run at higher FPS, but with lower details and lower resolution. Umm, let say if you would put this GPU in the new consoles, it would run at let say 1440p without raytracing and all that nice stuff, with lower AA and lower details. You basically cannot get GPU at that pricepoint which is powerfull enough to beat XSX or PS5...
Shall I inform him, or will you?
THEAP99
Banned
Thanks. So will he run cyberpunk in "high-ultra" settings? Prob not?
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M1chl
Currently Gif and Meme Champion
Well in this PC, you posted it would be more like medium at best, with some modest resolution, like 1080p or 1440p on low. My estimate, I would say, those cards does not even have DLSS, that ML upsampling.
Insane Metal
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MasterCornholio
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I've been playing games on PC with it and it's a great controller. Unfortunately I'm not able to experience the Haptics or resistive triggers yet.
RaZoR No1
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Go ahead and tell me
I am not saying that MS did a better job with the implementation, just asking if they rushed it a bit and implemented all 2.1 features and now it causes some issues on the XSX or any other bottlenecks.
I honestly don't know if the GPU is pushed more or not, if you use 4:4:4 or 4:2:2 etc. Or if it doesn't make any difference.
Therefore it would be interesting to know, if tearing etc. Still happens, if you use only HDMI 2.0 features. Maybe there is somekind of a bottleneck.
Edit: I know PS5 will get the updates to support VRR etc.
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kyliethicc
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Nah lol
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THEAP99
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He just told me this:
"In what aspect" is the ps5 more powerful hardware? "Basically all games on console you can’t configure your settings it’s all capped. Only thing I am iffy about is 4K but if" our one friend's "pc can run 4k our specs are basically the same."
this is our one friend's pc he's referring to $1000 one
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MasterCornholio
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You can see the triggers in action in this video.
ethomaz
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The PS5 limits the bandwidth to 4k 120fps HDR 4:2:2 12bits that is around 32Gbps.
It will increase when the patch for 8k 60fps goes live.
With the actual PS5 output it works with all receivers without issues.
There is some work to do with HDMI devices yet... AMD did not even enabled HDMI 2.1 in their new cards yet.
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ethomaz
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Yeap... Sony marketing since they started to talk about the PS5 is being better than MS... MS didn’t know what to do and focused in give a lot of tech data with big numbers for their base forgetting consoles is about how you play games.
But I don’t believe people are faking the Dual Sense features... it really surprises you.
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DeepEnigma
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Do you think they capped it temporarily until the fixes are in store so it works on all 2.1 equipment? Since we know the XSX doesn’t work with those receivers that the PS5 does currently.
Also did Vincent say you don’t get 4:4:4 with 4K/60 on the XSX? Why is that? Or am I misunderstanding?
I said faking like it changed their life as a example of marking
RaZoR No1
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I definitely need to read into the whole chroma, 4:4:4 HDR and bit rate topic...
For a normal consumer this is all to complicated
I thought HDMI 2.1 is one standard, just pick your preferred resolution, Hz and start playing, like on PC or old days... Not something with billions of different options, which even do not work correctly depending on console and TV..
For a normal consumer this is all to complicated
I thought HDMI 2.1 is one standard, just pick your preferred resolution, Hz and start playing, like on PC or old days... Not something with billions of different options, which even do not work correctly depending on console and TV..
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MasterCornholio
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I definitely need read into the whole chroma, 4:4:4 HDR and bit rate topic...
For a normal consumer this is all to complicated
I thought HDMI 2.1 is one standard, just pick your preferred resolution, Hz and start playing. Not something with billions of different options, which even do not work correctly depending on console and TV..
Form what I understand.
Best color : 4,4,4
RaZoR No1
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And theoretically pick 12 bit. But afaik currently there are no 12 bit TV panels, so it doesn't make sense to use it?? For what is the bit number and is it connected to the 4:4:4? Because that's 12 xD 4:2:2 is 8? ....
So 8 bit?
HAL-01
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I thought they could only control resistance on the trigger, but they can also make it “rumble” independently from the haptic motors, so cool
mindfreak191
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From your friends answers it's pretty clear that he's either like 15 years old or completely new to PC gaming and only gets his info from memes. Yes, PC are superior to consoles, yes you can always modify your settings on PC as much as you like, you can have high performance and visuals at the same time (instead of choosing between a performance mode or quality mode). BUT, right now, at this moment, you can absolutely NOT build a PC for $500 that's gonna get you better results than a ps5 or a series X, and I'm saying that with a 2070S and a 3800x. In two years you'll be able to build better PC for that price, but all the ones you linked are quite frankly bad builds. If you want a fighting chance you need to start with at least the 2000 series since they at least support DLSS.He just told me this:
"In what aspect" is the ps5 more powerful hardware? "Basically all games on console you can’t configure your settings it’s all capped. Only thing I am iffy about is 4K but if" our one friend's "pc can run 4k our specs are basically the same."
this is our one friend's pc he's referring to $1000 one
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M1chl
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That 1000USD one is like power of Xbox One S (well maybe 2, but it still sucks), sure it has potential, if you swap GPU for another like 500+USD and yeah sure you can run CS:GO at 4k (probably), but some more advanced games, it's not going to happened.He just told me this:
"In what aspect" is the ps5 more powerful hardware? "Basically all games on console you can’t configure your settings it’s all capped. Only thing I am iffy about is 4K but if" our one friend's "pc can run 4k our specs are basically the same."
this is our one friend's pc he's referring to $1000 one
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MistBreeze
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If Im lucky I will receive my console afternoon today
by the way it is 4:30 AM here so maybe... just maybe less than 12 hours to get
I can not wait
or Sunday If Im not lucky
by the way it is 4:30 AM here so maybe... just maybe less than 12 hours to get
I can not wait
or Sunday If Im not lucky
LiquidRex
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RGT is the place to be if you want to know what's coming, the channel has the highest hit ratio to date... No lie... If you all haven't subscribed, it won't halm you to do so.
3liteDragon
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- He mentions that he's talked with a few developers and said that the screen-tearing on ACV on Xbox has nothing to do with the console or the tools (video on that should be up tomorrow or by Sunday)
- Says he will detail some aspects of the PS5 and XSX that have not been publicly released yet
(timestamped, 22:00-22:49)
- Says he will detail some aspects of the PS5 and XSX that have not been publicly released yet
(timestamped, 22:00-22:49)
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ethomaz
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I don’t know.
But the fact that Sony TV are still in having updates to make HDMI 2.1 works says the standard is not fully implemented yet.
Others devices are having same issues... it is I’ll take some time. Sony approach for now works with all devices in the market.
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saintjules
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ethomaz
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Remember when we used RGB full and limited? Well RGB full is chroma 4:4:4... it has all ranges of colors.I definitely need to read into the whole chroma, 4:4:4 HDR and bit rate topic...
For a normal consumer this is all to complicated
I thought HDMI 2.1 is one standard, just pick your preferred resolution, Hz and start playing, like on PC or old days... Not something with billions of different options, which even do not work correctly depending on console and TV..
Chroma 4:2:2 and 4:2:0 are the limited colors... so you won’t get the full range of colors at the end of spectrum.
4:2:2 gives a very good range of colors and it is imperceptible from 4:4:4 in actual monitors/TVs... maybe the panels will get better in the future to really shows all colors accurate and so 4:4:4 will have more difference from 4:2:2.
4:2:0 is really limited... so you see easily the difference from 4:2:2 and 4:4:4.
PS. Chroma 4:4:4 only has a big impact on PC.
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HawarMiran
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ethomaz
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You will see more difference in the Chroma than the bits... and they are different h the units... you can have 4:2:2 with 8, 10 or 12bits... same for 4:4:4.And theoretically pick 12 bit. But afaik currently there are no 12 bit TV panels, so it doesn't make sense to use it?? For what is the bit number and is it connected to the 4:4:4? Because that's 12 xD 4:2:2 is 8? ....
So it is not directly related with the chroma.
Bits: the deep of the color, how many colors the panel can display... 12 bits allow colors from 000000000000 to 111111111111... that means 4096 of each primary color and a total of 68719476736 different colors. You won’t see a big difference here because 8, 10 and 12bits will only chance the numbers of tons of the same color... instead 15 yellows you have 18 in a not literal example... 8bits and 10bits already have a lot of colors.
Chorma: is basically a compression of the colors... RGB full use all colors like Chroma 4:4:4 but the Chroma 4:2:2 and 4:0:0 compress the colors so some colors are lost in the process and can’t be show.
Myabe that is the best example:
You see you lose some colors after the compression... that decrease a lot the bandwidth used.
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thelastword
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It seems John and company are the most eagled eye when PlayStation is lacking a feature....No VRR, no 4k 120 with 4:4:4, no VRS, no hardware raytracing......Their eyes are razor sharp in those times, but yet, can't tell that Valhalla looks sharper with better lighting and textures on PS5, DMC5 looks a bit sharper with better AA and some background details on PS5.
Stooky
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Going from 10 to 12 bit supposedly removes all banding that you might see in gradients. Example You can see it in sky shots sometimes. TVs have gotten better at blending it better.You will see more difference in the Chroma than the bits... and they are different h the units... you can have 4:2:2 with 8, 10 or 12bits... same for 4:4:4.
So it is not directly related with the chroma.
Bits: the deep of the color, how many colors the panel can display... 12 bits allow colors from 000000000000 to 111111111111... that means 4096 of each primary color and a total of 68719476736 different colors. You won’t see a big difference here because 8, 10 and 12bits will only chance the numbers of tons of the same color... instead 15 yellows you have 18 in a not literal example... 8bits and 10bits already have a lot of colors.
Chorma: is basically a compression of the colors... RGB full use all colors like Chroma 4:4:4 but the Chroma 4:2:2 and 4:0:0 compress the colors so some colors are lost in the process and can’t be show.
Myabe that is the best example:
You see you lose some colors after the compression... that decrease a lot the bandwidth used.
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Lunatic_Gamer
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Man the writing on these are so good.
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