kingpotato
Ask me about my Stream Deck
I'm sick of this FUD, just boot up ... One of the many series x exclusives... And you'll see....
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RedGamingTech: "Why Series X is having performance problems."
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sircaw
Banned
Seriously dude, no disrespect but do you like getting fucked up or something, ARE you like one of those Gimp guys that loves a good seeing too.
I just don't get you, for months you spoke shit, the chickens have come home to roost and yet your still here carrying on with your bullshit.
Half the extreme xbox people have fled like cowards, but your still hear, promoting phil spencers spin, maybe its just time to say sorry and that you were wrong and then move on so we can all get along again.
its ok to be wrong about things. no one will remember in a month or two but this constant denial.
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BabyYoda
Banned
I never give Microsoft a pass, but it will be more convincing in a year or so considering all of the disruption atm. OK I'll make it easier for you, if it's still the same in six months, then this gloating has some merit. It reminds me of the current US election, too much gloating going on far too early, they'll only look like fools later if it doesn't go the way they thought it would. At least if you are humble about things now, you won't have to hide your face in shame later
I'm a PC gamer and I likely won't ever buy one of these consoles for myself, but the numbers don't lie.
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Hendrick's
If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
Who touches their console though? Mine has zero fingerprints because I washed my hands before setting it up and haven't touched it since.
Topher
Gold Member
I never give Microsoft a pass, but it will be more convincing in a year or so considering all of the disruption atm. OK I'll make it easier for you, if it's still the same in six months, then this gloating has some merit. It reminds me of the current US election, too much gloating going on far too early, they'll only look like fools later if it doesn't go the way they thought it would. At least if you are humble about things now, you won't have to hide your face in shame later
Fair enough. I don't see any need for gloating at all, frankly. But at the same time, I certainly expected to see XSX holding the advantage in visuals and performance. so trying to understand all this and parse out factual information from the outright fluff that is being passed around is challenging. Having said that, if this is as simple a thing as tools needing to be updated then I'd expect that to happen much sooner than later. The pressure, though, is on Microsoft. They touted XSX as the "most powerful console" and I don't think they even have a grace period to deliver on that. Should be as advertised right out of the gate.
I too am a PC gamer, first and foremost, but I buy PS for exclusives.
BabyYoda
Banned
From the way some gamers defend their choice of plastic box, I get the sense they may in fact take them to bed at night...
Edgelord79
Gold Member
I assume you own an Xbox and are upset?
BabyYoda
Banned
Yeah me too, it doesn't look good does it? That coupled with superior exclusives on the PS5 and imo a far more innovative and exciting controller (Microsoft just phoned in their controllers updates) and with PSVR 2 ready to pounce at some point, Sony are looking a lot better positioned for the next several years. I guess 18% more power isn't enough in this scenario, they really needed the kind of gap that PS4 had over X1. It's certainly interesting to see how this all plays out.
I personally hope Sony fully supports the Dual Sense on PC and ports more of their games there, then I'll have the best of all worlds (well almost all unless Nintendo pulls their finger out!). I've gamed long enough (40 years or so) that any kind of innovation is really welcome and anything that brings me closer to my dream of a personal holodeck is always going to grab my attention! Game Pass is of course fulfilling my dream of paying as little as possible for as much gaming as possible, so kudos to Microsoft there as well!
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The_Mike
I cry about SonyGaf from my chair in Redmond, WA
Blood Borne
Member
Genuine question.
How come I seldom see people talk about Series S tools? Is Series S tools more mature than Series X tools?
How come I seldom see people talk about Series S tools? Is Series S tools more mature than Series X tools?
ZehDon
Gold Member
Ok, so DF aren’t MS shills anymore because of their Dirt 5 comparison, and RTG is now an MS shill because of this video. They’ve flip flopped.
Is there an actively updated list of who’s shilling for who? I can’t keep up anymore, and I’ll need the geniuses on this forum to keep me informed.
Is there an actively updated list of who’s shilling for who? I can’t keep up anymore, and I’ll need the geniuses on this forum to keep me informed.
MasterCornholio
Member
I think all that matters in the end are the games. At least that's what I'm using as proof of how the systems perform.
Topher
Gold Member
I own an Xbox 360. But why would I be upset? His answer seemed odd and so I asked for clarification. He provided it. All good.
Wow....so some specific people responding here called DF and RTG shills and now those same people are saying that is no longer the case? Who?
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Melfice7
Member
I agree, the Series X is the best last gen console
ChuckeRearmed
Member
GDK is the unified toolkit. So as it becomes more mature it affects all the consoles. Its entire point is to unify development for XSX, XSS, PC, XB, XBX. It is very telling that even first-party game enhancements have certain hiccups in comparison to Sony's, but the games still run much better than the third party games despite being technically the same gen.
P.s. sometimes I feel like a lot of posts are just driveby trolling
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assurdum
Banned
Let's be clear: no one can deny entirely there isn't anything of wrong in the tools. But the real question is we really believe when such issue will be fixed suddenly multiplat on series X will destroy the ps5 counterpart? Because hearing the narrative to the other side, seems we are still stuck in this preconception.
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Dave_at_Home
Member
Problem here is that all the games you're thinking of are all cross-platform. I expect SSD solutions to perform similar without some kind of patch. Once multi-platform games are fully moved to the PS5/Series X is where differences will show up. Than again, Series X SSD performance could be the target, so we may not see a large difference but who knows.
What we do know is that Sony exclusives are already utilizing it. Demons Souls is the best example so far. In the Digital Foundry interview with Bluepoint, one of the developers mentioned offhand streaming in asset at 4 gigs per second compressed. I bet you anything there's areas in the game where it's higher. Also mentioned streaming in large chunks as soon as the player rounds a corner.
All this means better RAM utilization which translates to more assets in RAM and at higher quality for the GPU to draw.
kuncol02
Banned
How to explain you that...I know I will use totally not real life example (that totally wasn't a case in company I work). It's easier to cut getting one customer from database from 8minutes to 20ms than to lower that time even more.
If MS really have some performance tanking bugs or workarounds in their SDK then it's probably easier to fix them than make another round of optimization for Sony.
alabtrosMyster
Banned
Because that sounds like an excuse for not delivering according to expectations.
Also:
- MS are supposed to be the biggest software company, infinite money, etc.
- MS used that same excuse last gen.
DaleinCalgary
Member
I like the hardware of the XSX
Bernd Lauert
Banned
Last gen they had worse hardware and the console performed accordingly. Then they had better hardware and again the console performed accordingly.
assurdum
Banned
Uh. Why Sony should make another round of optimization when MS will fix such issue? It's not like suddenly multiplat will start to run shitty on ps5.
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hybrid_birth
Member
kuncol02
Banned
Reading comprehension problem or ignored user? I was answering to specific post.
"PS5 tools and APIs aren't static and also keep improving."
PS5 tools improvment will be much harder and slower to do than fixing that hypothetical bugs in MS SDK (which also would give biggest gains).
The_Mike
I cry about SonyGaf from my chair in Redmond, WA
Freelance Yakuza
Member
Well, he was the father of PSvita so it makes sense
assurdum
Banned
But it's totally a nonsense. You don't even know what cause such issue on series X multiplat, it could even requires the same time if it's something radicate deeper in the tools or in the hardware management.
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kuncol02
Banned
Are you sugesting that XSX running almost on One X level of performance is expected behavior? BC games with made with old XDK are running as they are supposed to.
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hybrid_birth
Member
alabtrosMyster
Banned
They still gave false hopes... DX12, the cloud and who knows what. Phil himself was at the helm.
Either way, sony has their wizards at the ICE team, they optimize every single aspects of the APIs at a very low level... It's not like MS were the only ones releasing new versions.
It's not like the series x was alien technology, with a new OS and what not, it's a PC with a couple of custom hardware features. The GPU has a very similar structure as the one in the PS5, if Sony can get it straight (performance wise anyway, the PS5 seems to have a couple of issues, just not at the same level), I don't see why MS can't deliver the same or better performance with the series x.
Leyasu
Banned
Not in the slightest expected.
It obvious that these launch games have problems that are nothing to do with the hardware, but internet forums are what they are.
MasterCornholio
Member
From the comparisons that I've seen it doesn't appear that the XSX is running the XB1 versions of those games. There's definitely differences between the X1 and XSX versions beyond higher resolution and improved framerates.
Leyasu
Banned
Unlock the frame rate on red dead 2, run it on the XsX, and it would perform/look better than any of the games that have launched and are having problems. These launch titles are half baked at best
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assurdum
Banned
You should read again what I said. We don't know the full picture, we don't know if it will requires short time or more.
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MasterCornholio
Member
The same happens on the PS5. Like with Ghosts of Tsushima for example.
Leyasu
Banned
It does indeed, Ghosts looks really good.
The point being, everyone is jumping up and down over some half baked launch games. It's almost surreal.
MasterCornholio
Member
I wouldn't consider all launch games "half baked".
Like Demon Souls and Miles Morales for example. Then there's NBA2K21 that looks pretty good as well.
kuncol02
Banned
We know there are scenarios where XSX can go as bad as 20fps lower than PS5 at the same time rendering in lower resolution. That's basically 30-40% power difference. There is nothing in that hardware that would explain that.
MasterCornholio
Member
Maybe it's something outside of the paper specifications?
Hendrick's
If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
They are the same tools.
Onironauta
Member
Well, we know that Xbox APIs work on a higher level of abstraction than PS5's ones and that games run inside a virtual machine separated from the OS.
While this is good for software emulation/BC and portability between different HW configurations, there must be a performance cost caused by the overhead, whether big or small.
Even with better SDKs available to the devs, i doubt the performance gap will be solved if PS5 runs games closer to the metal.
While this is good for software emulation/BC and portability between different HW configurations, there must be a performance cost caused by the overhead, whether big or small.
Even with better SDKs available to the devs, i doubt the performance gap will be solved if PS5 runs games closer to the metal.
kuncol02
Banned
Virtualization wasn't a problem in previous generation and is not a problem in that one.
MrMephistoX
Member
Lol it really is though I haven’t played anything current gen on it but am enjoying the performance boost on last gen games. Similar boat with PS4 exclusives they actually do run and look better and I still haven’t played Last of Us 2 or Ghosts so I’m good. Last gen sucked at launch IMHO aside from Killer Instinct and Dead Rising 3.
Balducci30
Member
I weirdly have been playing more series x because I suck at demons souls - this might be OT but does the series x run bc games faster than the ps5 does? Cus it seems like the loading times for older games are way improved on the x and only moderately on the PlayStation - or is that just due to me playing different games on each