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Did the US just give up fighting covid?
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Maiden Voyage
Gold™ Member
What's covid?
Tesseract
Banned
a miserable pile of secrets
diffusionx
Gold Member
A lot more cases in the official counts, but far less deaths. Hospitalizations are also decreasing.
It's literally people getting sick for a week with a fever and cough, during flu season.
It's literally people getting sick for a week with a fever and cough, during flu season.
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Thaedolus
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December was by far the deadliest month so far, I have no idea where you’re getting your info but it’s incorrect
#Phonepunk#
Banned
What dumbfuck country does OP live in? Earth to moron the whole world has to deal with this bullshit. Go fuck off dipshit. I’m sorry you want to troll about dumb movies or whatever go ahead but this is peoples lives you asshole.
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winterymint
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Hospital I work at are literally getting 70 ER visits a day..we had to open an old unused unit for more ER beds..
Another hospital is using the hallways for ER patients..
No way are hospitalizations decreasing
Nester99
Member
Countries deal with things differently with different results?
EverydayBeast
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They aren’t letting COVID take them out of their routine and 2021 they are focusing in on the virus, I look at numbers and see dangerous highs yes but I disagree I think you got the COVID message out there.
Maiden Voyage
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GeorgPrime
Banned
Biden already said he wont do anything and waits for the vaccine.
He will just blame Trump for everything that is going to happen until everyone is vaccinated.
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Punished Miku
Gold Member
It's become heavily politicized. I go from one county to another to work, from a deep blue county to a deep red one. The difference is huge in terms of mask compliance. A giant chunk of the country thinks it is their patriotic duty to not wear masks to express their freedom.
A decent chunk of people don't think COVID is real, and basically think its the flu. Our media is significantly worse than most developed nations, and so distrust is at an all time high. A lot of people get their information online from untrustworthy sources. Multiple leaders also created a climate of mixed messages and resentment.
Our population is extremely unhealthy. Obesity, diabetes, hypertension, poor diet, poor work / life balance, increasing addiction / depression rates.
Our population tolerates extreme poverty. Lack of basic healthcare, lack of quality education, lack of COVID assistance during lockdowns, growing personal debt, lots of employers not protecting employees with proper practices while they are shielded from liability.
COVID is exposing the multiple levels of societal dysfunction present in America that have needed attention for decades: poor education, poor health, extreme inequality, corrupt and paralyzed government, corrupt media, growing partisan divide, lack of ability for country to unify around important goals. It's a stress test of how well we're functioning as a society, and we're not getting high marks.
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DeepBreath87
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The US is an amalgamation of different states all doing different things, as it should be. And it is becoming obvious that most of the measures being taken are completely ineffective. You have states like Florida and Texas basically open. Then you’ve got states like California and New York relatively shut down. It doesn’t seem to be making a meaningful difference.
Hard lockdowns will obviously work, temporarily. But they are damaging, unsustainable, and the benefits fade quickly whenever we reopen. At some point we’re going to have to get on with it. Try our best to control what you can within your own life and stop trying to control everyone else. It’s not working anyway and it’s just making people angry with each other. Worry about what you can control.
Hard lockdowns will obviously work, temporarily. But they are damaging, unsustainable, and the benefits fade quickly whenever we reopen. At some point we’re going to have to get on with it. Try our best to control what you can within your own life and stop trying to control everyone else. It’s not working anyway and it’s just making people angry with each other. Worry about what you can control.
T8SC
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The UK is pretty much locked down in most places around England. Scotland is doing it's own thing, fully locked down as is Wales.
However, there's a large portion of people paying no regard, I've seen people I know travel over 200 miles to enter Wales to walk up Snowdon. A quick look through Instagram or Strava type apps will show exactly how many people are breaking rules.
So, what is the point of a lockdown, disrupting the economy even more, if people aren't even abiding by the guidelines, might as well just open the shops back up to let the economy find its feet again, it won't differ much from now with how people are behaving.
Half-way house does not work. Lockdown will help temporarily IF people actually follow the guidelines, which they don't, therefore is pointless.
However, there's a large portion of people paying no regard, I've seen people I know travel over 200 miles to enter Wales to walk up Snowdon. A quick look through Instagram or Strava type apps will show exactly how many people are breaking rules.
So, what is the point of a lockdown, disrupting the economy even more, if people aren't even abiding by the guidelines, might as well just open the shops back up to let the economy find its feet again, it won't differ much from now with how people are behaving.
Half-way house does not work. Lockdown will help temporarily IF people actually follow the guidelines, which they don't, therefore is pointless.
MetalAlien
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there is 300 million of us... last I heard we had 18 million cases? Hell at this rate we will be on lockdowns and mask for 10 years.
Pagusas
Elden Member
Says who?
Tesseract
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Ionian
Member
Ireland also had an explosion of cases.
It's more about controlling the limits for hospital care.
This has been said over and over again, there other issues such as births, heart problems, strokes, even bloody cancer.
People here walk around like it's fine if they wear a mask.
Many actually don't.
It's more about controlling the limits for hospital care.
This has been said over and over again, there other issues such as births, heart problems, strokes, even bloody cancer.
People here walk around like it's fine if they wear a mask.
Many actually don't.
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DarkestHour
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Gave up a long time ago. Where I live, the restaurants, bars, and supermarkets are full of people not wearing masks or following any guidelines whatsoever.
I still wear my mask everywhere I go. Not joining these fools.
I still wear my mask everywhere I go. Not joining these fools.
Stiflers Mom
Banned
You should really take your pills, mate.
TindalosPup
Member
Where I live everyone complies (at least with masks in public) and we're still infecting at a pretty high rate. It really doesn't appear to be making a difference, like at all.
MiyazakiHatesKojima
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The End of Evangelion Pax Americana.
Airbus Jr
Banned
How do you like the people replying to your stupid "its just a flu bro" comments?
A nice litle touch of reality for you ( along with your dear conspiracy friends Joe T, Carlos, prag, and Euclid in the Covid 19 thread)
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FreedomOfSpeech
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It's just another sign that the Usa is not very U anymore.
Tesseract
Banned
don't forget to take your pills, monster
MetalAlien
Banned
I prefer the fuil on Dillion and Dutch gif to the reaction gif.
Airbus Jr
Banned
Nice, and am i suppose to give a crap about that?I prefer the fuil on Dillion and Dutch gif to the reaction gif.
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diffusionx
Gold Member
Just look at the data man, I don't know what to tell you. If you want to pretend that it's melting skin off everyone's faces just to justify your fear, go right ahead.
Airbus Jr
Banned
Like i said...
You keep underestimating this disease..
And all these death... this is the price we have to pay...
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MetalAlien
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diffusionx
Gold Member
Looking at the data based on hundreds of millions of data points is not “underestimating”
Trying to suppress a virus that puts (thousands) of people in hospital and kills (thousands) some of the most vulnerable population is nothing to do with fear, it's to do with not being a completely psychotic arsehole.
Airbus Jr
Banned
Perhaps you can share us about these "covid is just a flu data" that you speak of
That would be helpfull
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MetalAlien
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Imperius
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In the context of COVID nearly all of them are.
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Deleted member 17706
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Seems like the sane thing to do would be to protect those most vulnerable populations and get them the targeted aid they need instead of crippling the economy and ruining people's lives with sweeping and indefinite lockdowns and restrictions.
The problem with that is you still have the possibility of contamination from health workers and family members, unless you also lockdown just health workers and stop people seeing their families.
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Deleted member 17706
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Shutting down the entire country or entire regions does not work. Making healthy people suffer and lose their livelihoods because there's a possibility of spreading to grandma if other people are irresponsible is not a sane policy.
Would have been great if the aid had been targeted and the "most vulnerable" could have been better protected, but that was never in the cards.
borborygmus
Member
My relatives in the US caught it. They're in their 70s. Very mild symptoms. It's very hard to draw any conclusions from the published stats when 1. They're incomplete (e.g. if testing increases, you're gonna have more cases, but I didn't see any metrics for how much testing was being done); 2. There is an atypically high variance in symptoms; 3. The left has history of crying wolf and messing with statistics; 4. The media has been caught lying repeatedly for years.
The people dismissing the skeptics should be more understanding.
The people dismissing the skeptics should be more understanding.
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I'm not pro lockdown, I am pro not throwing sections of the community to the wolves.
I don't think there is such a thing as a right approach, people hailed Swedens approached, and look what has happened there.
It's an ideological thing, money vs health, lots of governments have made wrong choices, but it need(s) to be suppressed.
infinitys_7th
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Yet no one ever said that during a flu season.
Jethalal
Banned
I'll be very honest. I had no hopes about my country but I expected the US to do much better. Pop culture really portrays you all much better than you guys are. The politicization of a disease, that's just petty politics. Many of your politicians in power spread lies about vaccines and masks, that's just disgusting even moreso considering they are the first ones getting the vaccines now. I thought US would be like NZ. Those guys are roaming mask free now. Who knew wearing masks and following guidelines rather than bitching about them would keep the virus in control? NZ, and now look at them.
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Deleted member 17706
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Going to be interesting to see where the total all cause death numbers pans out after everything is said and done. Here's the current data from the US CDC (population numbers are pulled from elsewhere).
Year: Total All Cause Deaths / Total Population
2020: 2,913,144 / 331,000,000
2019: 2,854,838 / 328,000,000
2018: 2,839,205 / 327,000,000
2017: 2,813,503 / 325,000,000
2016: 2,744,248 / 323,000,000
2015: 2,712,630 / 320,000,000
2014: 2,626,418 / 318,000,000
2013: 2,596,993 / 316,000,000
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Jethalal
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That is with no one taking any precautions. Imagine if no one from the start of pandemic was taking precautions then the deaths and cases would have been higher. Comparing apples to oranges over here. You can't even account for the loss to patients of other diseases, my friend's mum has cancer but the doctor advised to skip treatments due to the precautions and how the hospitals are full, I imagine similar case in US and that too with other diseases too.
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