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[Lionel Richie]

Sorry to everyone who’s lost friends on GAF over the past week.

Kudos on having the courage to identify what you believe to be a need for a small course correction and acting upon it before it really got out of hand regardless of the cost. It sucks because we're bleeding a lot of good people, but I think it beats the risk of REVERSERA happening.

 

[Halo is Back]

Scrap the politics section completely and then we can all be:

Sounds nice in theory but I don't want Politics bleeding into off-topic and having mods try to crack down on what is and isn't acceptable in that thread.

 

[M1chl]

Holy shit.. this place won’t be the same without cryptoadam..

Finally no stupid right-wing virtue signalling and conspiracy theories? Good

 

[ManofOne]

Well at least I have my dearest and close friend Nobody_Important . He not going anywhere, it all upwards for him

 

[StreetsofBeige]

No doubt with the one-two punch of politics and covid, it's really strung people out.

And I totally get that some people don't even care about talking games as some people gravitate to certain tabs, while some people will post everywhere.

I'd say try to skip reading all the trolling headline threads which everyone one of us will know clicking it will make your blood boil. Just cut down on it. I don't even post in politics as much as I used to. I see all these samey threads and just don't bother.

Find some other threads which you think are more fun, are interested in and ultimately blood boiling free.

Myself, ManofOne and others are all big into the stock thread. And I would have never guessed I'd be talking stocks on a game board. Got some tips and have some other people's recos on my watch list. I totally get it's a pointless thread for many of you if you have no money in stocks, but there's got to be some thread out there which you can skew to more for sake of skipping heated threads.

Soapy posted something about moving to Canada linked with hockey. If that thread keeps going I'll be happy to post there more even if my Leafs suck (lost to last place Ottawa hour ago).

Only linger around hot topics if you can take it. If not, skip it.

 

[Amiga]

And I totally get that some people don't even care about talking games as some people gravitate to certain tabs, while some people will post everywhere.

game news has cooled for a while, no hype for anything, and Cyberpunk 2077 ruined the current season. we thought we would still be posting about how awesome it is and demand expansion DLCs. and no company would want start any hype in this political mood. people just want to roll the credits already and start the next arc.

 

[Valued Gamer]

Why not have a dedicated subforum called "wacked out conspiracy theories, only visit for the laughs" and let people post crazy stuff like flat earth, vaccination shit, illuminati etc. Just don't have it in the politics forum, maybe in the off topic one.

 

[Liberty4all]

And it was necessary, with due respect to those who were banned and were pretty cool posters outside of the politics forum. That place was turning into an unhealthy echo chamber.

It was also tarnishing neogaf's reputation to outsiders. Considering Evilore's expressed direction of wanting this place to be first and foremost an enjoyable gaming forum, it was out of place to have a very loud niche conspiracy community to stand out so much and dictate so strongly the tone of that forum.

With the exception of Nobody_Important , that niche community WAS NeoGAF in 2017 after the exodus to Resetera. A lot of the folks being banned today were the only ones that stuck around and supported both Evilore and GAF after the proverbial knife was plunged into Evilore‘s back.

It is not hyperbole to say that without the thousands of posts by many of these users and yes Evilore refusing to give up, that the site would not be where it is today traffic wise. The “free speech” credo and loose moderation of speech initially embraced by the site is a large part of its success. Why do you think so many people are returning from totalitarian ree?

Evilore owes all those people a debt of gratitude not bans. Those are the people that stood up FOR HIM, fought FOR HIM, defended HIS REPUTATION, and defended HIS BUSINESS, when everyone else fled to Resetera and GAF was a pariah forum.

I get the fear of deplatforming. I even understand the demand of site redirection but the scorched earth bannings of the very people that kept this site alive with activity in the Dark Times is a bitter pill to swallow.

They deserved to be handled with a gentler hand, if at least in recognition that they supported and fought for your reputation, site and business Evilore, when nobody else would.

I think I’m going to take a break from GAF if this post doesn’t lead to a perm. I’m really sad about all of this.

 

[SpartanN92]

With the exception of Nobody_Important , that niche community WAS NeoGAF in 2017 after the exodus to Resetera. A lot of the folks being banned today were the only ones that stuck around and supported both Evilore and GAF after the proverbial knife was plunged into Evilore‘s back.

It is not hyperbole to say that without the thousands of posts by many of these users and yes Evilore refusing to give up, that the site would not be where it is today traffic wise. The “free speech” credo and loose moderation of speech initially embraced by the site is a large part of its success. Why do you think so many people are returning from totalitarian ree?

Evilore owes all those people a debt of gratitude not bans. Those are the people that stood up FOR HIM, fought FOR HIM, defended HIS REPUTATION, and defended HIS BUSINESS, when everyone else fled to Resetera and GAF was a pariah forum.

I get the fear of deplatforming. I even understand the demand of site redirection but the scorched earth bannings of the very people that kept this site alive with activity in the Dark Times is a bitter pill to swallow.

They deserved to be handled with a gentler hand, if at least in recognition that they supported and fought for your reputation, site and business Evilore, when nobody else would.

I think I’m going to take a break from GAF if this post doesn’t lead to a perm. I’m really sad about all of this.

Well said my friend.

 

[Rentahamster]

if this post doesn’t lead to a perm.

Do you honestly believe this?

 

[Liberty4all]

Do you honestly believe this?

No . But it’s the truth.

 

[Rentahamster]

No . But it’s the truth.

Does not compute.

You need to relax a bit. I say this with respect.

 

[Dev1lXYZ]

It's amazing to me that Dev1lXYZ has thus far survived the great purge of right-wing/conspiracy theorist posters that dominated the Politics section post-Era split. Well played!

I simply follow the rules of the board. If management says ‘no more of this.....’ then I will abide by those rules. None of us here can really have an effect on politics, we can comment and cheer our respective teams on and whatnot, but in the current climate, I understand why what was done had to happen. This place can go south real quick and none of us want that. If the politics board gets cut to save the games side, I have no problem with it at all.

 

[Liberty4all]

I’m just really sad seeing so many people I respected Banned over this. I think people would have tried to adhere to the new rules if given more warning and chances. I mean look at the ban list it’s a slaughter of regulars, most of which date back to 2017

 

[Rentahamster]

I’m just really sad seeing so many people I respected Banned over this. I think people would have tried to adhere to the new rules if given more warning and chances. I mean look at the ban list it’s a slaughter of regulars, most of which date back to 2017

You're not the only one who's sad, but what's more important, the rule of law and preserving this site, or your feelings about people who couldn't get over themselves?

 

[GHG]

I’m just really sad seeing so many people I respected Banned over this. I think people would have tried to adhere to the new rules if given more warning and chances. I mean look at the ban list it’s a slaughter of regulars, most of which date back to 2017

By "regulars" you mean regulars of the politics section right? Because to be honest most of the people I don't even recognise despite the age of their accounts and number of posts they've racked up.

If you spend most of your time on a gaming forum in the politics section then you probably need a bit of a rethink anyway. Would you go to a politics focused forum and predominantly post about videogames?

 

[Piku_Ringo]

No . But it’s the truth.

Just in case you do disappear. Rest in pepperonis, brother.

 

[Dev1lXYZ]

I’m just really sad seeing so many people I respected Banned over this. I think people would have tried to adhere to the new rules if given more warning and chances. I mean look at the ban list it’s a slaughter of regulars, most of which date back to 2017

I understand what you are pleading. It’s just the powers that be can focus in this place and make it go away real quick. Trump just didn’t serve up enough to plead his case and he was no Caesar like he was played up to be. It’s okay, just a lesson learned. You can still fight the good fight and stand up to injustices in the world in your own way. We can’t say a Trump second term wouldn’t have rendered him just about powerless to do anything with the way the House and the Senate went. He would have had to issue straight executive orders to get anything at all, and that route is perilous.

 

[Liberty4all]

You're not the only one who's sad, but what's more important, the rule of law and preserving this site, or your feelings about people who couldn't get over themselves?

I just think a lighter hand initially could have been used. it’s not like these were new accounts, a lot of these posters had thousands of posts. and most were fairly hardcore in their personal support of Evilore when he got MeTooed.

in 2017 there was next to nobody left in gaming and very few of us in politics either.

 

[Liberty4all]

By "regulars" you mean regulars of the politics section right? Because to be honest most of the people I don't even recognise despite the age of their accounts and number of posts they've racked up.

If you spend most of your time on a gaming forum in the politics section then you probably need a bit of a rethink anyway. Would you go to a politics focused forum and predominantly post about videogames?

No a lot of those regulars were almost all that was left if GAF initially In 2017. Gaming side was decimated but has come back strong

 

[Rentahamster]

I just think a lighter hand initially could have been used. it’s not like these were new accounts, a lot of these posters had thousands of posts. and most were fairly hardcore in their personal support of Evilore when he got MeTooed.

in 2017 there was next to nobody left in gaming and very few of us in politics either.

Like I mentioned before, a lot of users were given an initial light hand and ample warning, but if they're not going to comply they force EviLore's hand.

They made that choice.

 

[PhoenixTank]

From what I've seen... by & large those permed either:

• Didn't stop when asked.
• Had a meltdown of some form - often after being removed from Politics.
• Asked to be permed themselves.

I don't find that particularly unfair. Some allowances seem to have been made for old timers.

 

[Liberty4all]

Like I mentioned before, a lot of users were given an initial light hand and ample warning, but if they're not going to comply they force EviLore's hand.

They made that choice.

I dunno a lot of these bans all went down in the space of a week. I think some of them deserved more time to adjust, if on,y in recognition they stood for this site

 

[Halo is Back]

Does not compute.

You need to relax a bit. I say this with respect.

He was not hostile. He has a right to express his feelings. With that being said, many posters that were banned did continue on even when EvilLore was being lenient to them. Like with MHK he just kept posting his anti-vax crap in other threads outside of politics even after being asked to cool off. Everyone needs to clam down a bit.

 

[Piku_Ringo]

I dunno a lot of these bans all went down in the space of a week. I think some of them deserved more time to adjust, if on,y in recognition they stood for this site

And they could of done just that by stepping away from the keyboard, and taken a break from the site to reflect on what's going on. Since they couldn't help themselves EL and the mods are helping them get some much needed self-introspection.

 

[nush]

in 2017 there was next to nobody left in gaming and very few of us in politics either.

Politics board didn't exist in 2017 and didn't until over half way through 2018. It was a containment chamber for exactly what's going on now so it would not infect the rest of the boards. Posters there were not the ones "Saving" GAF.

 

[Liberty4all]

Maybe I’m not remembering it exactly right ... I know almost all the names I see banned date to back then.

im pretty sure old GAF had a politics board? Or maybe just off topics and pol was a 2017 thing

 

[EviLore]

Your memory is off.

 

[Rentahamster]

He was not hostile. He has a right to express his feelings. With that being said, many posters that were banned did continue on even when EvilLore was being lenient to them. Like with MHK he just kept posting his anti-vax crap in other threads outside of politics even after being asked to cool off. Everyone needs to clam down a bit.

I wasn't implying that he was hostile. I'm suggesting he relax a bit because his emotions are getting the best of him and I don't want him to jump to any rash conclusions that leads to regrettable but easily avoidable actions.

 

[Liberty4all]

I just need time away I think. Seeing so many people I really liked catch perm bans is getting to me

 

[Halo is Back]

I just need time away I think. Seeing so many people I really liked catch perm bans is getting to me

Look, I really didn't like all of your election fraud threads but I don't want to see you banned. You have voiced your opinion now. No need to take it further. You should maybe take a break from gaf, and politics in general. Post something in the game forum, go to the nice butt thread, play some games, take a deep breath and don't become your own worst enemy.

 

[Nobody_Important]

With the exception of Nobody_Important , that niche community WAS NeoGAF in 2017 after the exodus to Resetera. A lot of the folks being banned today were the only ones that stuck around and supported both Evilore and GAF after the proverbial knife was plunged into Evilore‘s back.

It is not hyperbole to say that without the thousands of posts by many of these users and yes Evilore refusing to give up, that the site would not be where it is today traffic wise. The “free speech” credo and loose moderation of speech initially embraced by the site is a large part of its success. Why do you think so many people are returning from totalitarian ree?

Evilore owes all those people a debt of gratitude not bans. Those are the people that stood up FOR HIM, fought FOR HIM, defended HIS REPUTATION, and defended HIS BUSINESS, when everyone else fled to Resetera and GAF was a pariah forum.

I get the fear of deplatforming. I even understand the demand of site redirection but the scorched earth bannings of the very people that kept this site alive with activity in the Dark Times is a bitter pill to swallow.

They deserved to be handled with a gentler hand, if at least in recognition that they supported and fought for your reputation, site and business Evilore, when nobody else would.

I think I’m going to take a break from GAF if this post doesn’t lead to a perm. I’m really sad about all of this.

None of the people that were banned were banned without cause though. It's not like Evilore and staff went to pound town with the banhammer for shits and giggles. They were enforcing the new rules regarding the politics section.


Rules which btw are not unreasonable in any way. All he did was tell people to drop the conspiracy stuff, use better sources for threads, and treat each other with more respect. That's it. That's all that was said and that to me is a perfectly reasonable expectation to have. Evilore is not responsible for the behavior of people in response to the changes. It's not his fault people continued to post racist rhetoric or decided it would be a good idea to freak out on the staff in PMs. And he also doesn't owe them anything for their support. They don't get freebies just because they stuck around when the site was in trouble. If they really cared about the site then they would respect the rules of it and the reasoning behind them. Not go ballistic the moment things change even slightly.


You are talking as if he is being completely unreasonable, but the reality is that the only people being unreasonable were the ones that were shown the door.

 

[Rentahamster]

I dunno a lot of these bans all went down in the space of a week. I think some of them deserved more time to adjust, if on,y in recognition they stood for this site

Fair enough but they had their chance and "its okay when we do it" is not an excuse taken lightly around here, even for friends.

Principles matter when they're also inconvenient, not just when they're convenient. If they're more than happy to shit on the screechers in 2017 and then have a meltdown themselves in 2021, they were more interested in playing team sports, and not actually for civil discourse.

 

[ManofOne]

Damn CloudNull gone. Take care man if you're reading this. You will be missed.

 

[Phunkydiabetic]

With the exception of Nobody_Important , that niche community WAS NeoGAF in 2017 after the exodus to Resetera. A lot of the folks being banned today were the only ones that stuck around and supported both Evilore and GAF after the proverbial knife was plunged into Evilore‘s back.

It is not hyperbole to say that without the thousands of posts by many of these users and yes Evilore refusing to give up, that the site would not be where it is today traffic wise. The “free speech” credo and loose moderation of speech initially embraced by the site is a large part of its success. Why do you think so many people are returning from totalitarian ree?

Evilore owes all those people a debt of gratitude not bans. Those are the people that stood up FOR HIM, fought FOR HIM, defended HIS REPUTATION, and defended HIS BUSINESS, when everyone else fled to Resetera and GAF was a pariah forum.

I get the fear of deplatforming. I even understand the demand of site redirection but the scorched earth bannings of the very people that kept this site alive with activity in the Dark Times is a bitter pill to swallow.

They deserved to be handled with a gentler hand, if at least in recognition that they supported and fought for your reputation, site and business Evilore, when nobody else would.

I think I’m going to take a break from GAF if this post doesn’t lead to a perm. I’m really sad about all of this.

So because they were around back then that means they can behave with impunity?

They deserved to be handled with a gentler hand

The things you're suggesting will only create an environment of 'prominent' members, which never goes over well with the rest of the users. No one like to see people getting booted from the community, but it's a made their own bed situation. It isn't as if evilore is just arbitrarily banning people.

 

[Liberty4all]

I’d have to go back in my posts but I did say earlier in the thread I get why the new rules are in place, to avoid deplatforming. I just felt that a lot of those posters supported this site at its darkest time. It sure wasnt reee defending GAF as they posted porn on the way out.

it’s not just about members being prominent, it’s that they were loyal. To this site and to Evilore personally, I get that things change I just think people deserve another chance. I guess it’s too late for that, but I always had your back Evilore going back years.

 

[Phunkydiabetic]

I understand what you are pleading. It’s just the powers that be can focus in this place and make it go away real quick. Trump just didn’t serve up enough to plead his case and he was no Caesar like he was played up to be. It’s okay, just a lesson learned. You can still fight the good fight and stand up to injustices in the world in your own way. We can’t say a Trump second term wouldn’t have rendered him just about powerless to do anything with the way the House and the Senate went. He would have had to issue straight executive orders to get anything at all, and that route is perilous.

What the hell does Trump have anything to do with what you quoted or this thread in general. What is this haha

 

[nush]

The things you're suggesting will only create an environment of 'prominent' members, which never goes over well with the rest of the users. No one like to see people getting booted from the community, but it's a made their own bed situation. It isn't as if evilore is just arbitrarily banning people.

Even back then it was very clear you had to color within the lines no matter how relatively small the active members were at the time. Have fun, but be respectful as well.

 

[Nobody_Important]

I’d have to go back in my posts but I did say earlier in the thread I get why the new rules are in place, to avoid deplatforming. I just felt that a lot of those posters supported this site at its darkest time. It sure wasnt reee defending GAF as they posted porn on the way out.

it’s not just about members being prominent, it’s that they were loyal. To this site and to Evilore personally, I get that things change I just think people deserve another chance. I guess it’s too late for that, but I always had your back Evilore going back years.

Prominent, loyal, etc it doesn't matter what word you use it still comes to the same thing. Preferential treatment. And while that will always happen to some extent and some people will get more rope than others eventually everyone has to hang if they refuse to follow the rules.


And keep in mind that nobody has been banned without cause. Solomeena for example was banned for freaking out on me in the Facebook thread and they freaked out on the staff apparently as well. JordanN has been posting their racial IQ stuff for awhile and was asked to stop repeatedly. Afro was running several accounts. Many attacked Evilore directly over the new rules. And so on and so forth. These are not people who were banned for nothing. They weren't censored for wrong think or because they were Trump supporters.


You say they should have been treated with a gentler hand, but I would argue that they were treated exactly that way for quite awhile considering everything that has gone on in recent months. It was time for things to get back to normal, but some people just weren't having it I guess. And like I said that's not on the staff. That is on the members.

 

[Phunkydiabetic]

I’d have to go back in my posts but I did say earlier in the thread I get why the new rules are in place, to avoid deplatforming. I just felt that a lot of those posters supported this site at its darkest time. It sure wasnt reee defending GAF as they posted porn on the way out.

it’s not just about members being prominent, it’s that they were loyal. To this site and to Evilore personally, I get that things change I just think people deserve another chance. I guess it’s too late for that, but I always had your back Evilore going back years.

The actions you are calling for will elevate them to some higher status. These people were banned for not adhering to the rules of the forum, after multiple chances, judging by what evilore has posted here. You are saying that they should get a more lenient reaction.

Since resetera is incessantly brought up here I'm sure most people would understand the comparison to the so called prominent members there and how their perceived treatment breeds resentment in the community.

 

[teezzy]

Does this mean I can finally make a foot fetish thread?

 

[Can't decide]

A 3 month ban would have seemed better to me than perming all of those regulars. No chance of time to calm down as is being asked while the political dust settles, to then be able to return with a cooler head. Just nope, you're gone. I get the stickied thread and warnings were put in place, I'm just of the opinion it'll take longer than a week for people to adjust.

Doesn't seem to me like a rapid perm would have any desirable affect on those guys either, I would have thought it's more likely to make them double down on their opinions if anything and go searching for somewhere that actually encourages that posting style.

 

[Halo is Back]

Does this mean I can finally make a foot fetish thread?

 

[teezzy]

 

[AfricanKing]

It is not hyperbole to say that without the thousands of posts by many of these users and yes Evilore refusing to give up, that the site would not be where it is today traffic wise. The “free speech” credo and loose moderation of speech initially embraced by the site is a large part of its success. Why do you think so many people are returning from totalitarian ree?

You think the Politics section of a Gaming forum is keeping it alive???

 

[ManaByte]

Does this mean I can finally make a foot fetish thread?

 

[Goro Majima]

I’d have to go back in my posts but I did say earlier in the thread I get why the new rules are in place, to avoid deplatforming. I just felt that a lot of those posters supported this site at its darkest time. It sure wasnt reee defending GAF as they posted porn on the way out.

it’s not just about members being prominent, it’s that they were loyal. To this site and to Evilore personally, I get that things change I just think people deserve another chance. I guess it’s too late for that, but I always had your back Evilore going back years.

I think it’s good to wait to see what three, six, or maybe 12 months into a Biden presidency looks like and how that impacts Trump’s “true believers” when all of these issues become moot and Trump is out of the picture.

If people are still 100% bought into stuff like this pedovore thing where Biden eats the adrenal glands of small children for superpowers or whatever then yeah - maybe keep away. If people sober up from the collective insanity then I’ve seen accounts resurrected from the dead over the years. It’s not an exact science so who knows? But maybe that would be the time for second chances?

 

[Halo is Back]

Wouldn't the Redhead thread be considered a "fetish"?

 

[Liberty4all]

.

You think the Politics section of a Gaming forum is keeping it alive???

Kept. It was off topic at the time and yes the regulars from both sections kept it alive. Obviously not now, but initially after the Resetera exodus? Absolutely.

 

[Shouta]

Wouldn't the Redhead thread be considered a "fetish"?

Redheads are a way of life.