assurdum
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Remember the whole trilogy needs to work on next generation console. You think a machine without virtual coding can handle the higher settings possible in an engine tied to the previous generation?
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[DF] Hitman 3 PS5 vs Xbox Series X|S Comparison
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Danjin44
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Are yu guys fighting some kind of imaginary war or something? I get most people in here likes their high tech graphics, I mean 90% topics in NeoGAF is about graphics but this is getting waaaaay over board.
But if you guys enjoy arguing about graphics then.....
GRAPHICS!!!!
Gudji
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The point still stands. The hardware is more than capable of running the game at 4K or with DRS. Maybe we should ask IOI engineers why it's not.
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MasterCornholio
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It could be a game where the compute advantage is useful while with other titles it might be better on the PS5. Definitely could be what's going on here.
It was mostly a joke. But considering how many times I reload to try different strategies it sure adds up. Saved almost 30 seconds today!
ChuckeRearmed
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I wonder if that single drop in a single scene can be fixed via patch
bitbydeath
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So? I wasn’t talking about Xbox.
PS5 could be hitting anywhere between 70FPS and 120FPS due to the PSVR carryover requirement. That is obviously why the resolution isn’t 4K.
Tickle My Tendies
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That frees up time for me to have sex, twice!
driqe
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Yep. Its a locked 60 everywhere except that Mendoza level. DF shills? BC game so it doesn't count? Io Interactive secret Microsoft studio?
lol
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Digital Foundry: Hitman 3 PS5 vs Xbox Series X|S Comparison: An Xbox Advantage At 4K
Just as we couldnt extrapolate long term trends from launch titles, we also can't reasonably assume this is now going to be normal for every game to have a split like this. They might, but it also might be down to how specific engines and games are designed as to whether they like XSX this much...
www.resetera.com
TBiddy
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J_Gamer.exe
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Probably because it suits the narrative hence the title of their video.
Its a win for sx but at what cost, to gauge performance of both systems power from this is hard as if sx was locked and higher res yes id say OK its clear there but the deip in stress areas show its struggling at 4k when taxed.
How much would res have to drop to cut out all the dips all together? It dropped 20fps so that would be a hefty cut to res to cut that out.
assurdum
Banned
Uh no. More like the engine needs to be BC with the whole trilogy if I could bet
Gudji
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I don't care who won. You implied the hardware isn't capable of 4K, I'm calling you on your bullshit.
SplunkyMunkey
Member
Yeah it is weird i guess like dirt 5 and Valhalla was running better on ps5 even higher resolution on ps5 for Valhalla and digital foundry would be all over the devs on why the series x like this. So why aint they doing this for ps5 y aint they gonna ask the question on y aint it running in 4k or have high shadows. Even thou this game happens to run 1800p on ps5 y aint the ps5 getting the same quality as the series x despite the resolution.
Anyways back to playing hitman 3 on ps5
Anyways back to playing hitman 3 on ps5
waquzy
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It happens everytime you kill someone with a sniper rifle, as the XSX can't handle the particle effects close up, go and rewatch the video that you posted!
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Shodan09
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Medium shadows?? In 2021? ROFL.
Tickle My Tendies
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What the hell are you talking about? That makes zero fucking sense. There is no PS5 VR. Playing the game in VR on your PS5 is the PS4 version in BC mode. You think the PS5 could be hitting 4k/120???? Uhhh..No.
No.
Nice try
Aren't you the guy who was saying that the XsX SSD isn't fast enough to stream 4k textures or some shit like that back in the summer?
Uh, I'll pass. Thanks though.
And you were referencing the PS5 having "better framerate," which clearly comes with caveats you and your crew don't seem to want to recognize.
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driqe
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at least try to make sense
bitbydeath
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You know they’re not making two different games right?
Stuart360
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The PS5 version is near locked 60fps. The XSX version is near locked 60fps, except in a field in one of the levels, which will probably be fixed.
Why would either version need to have dynamic resolution?, and why would you want to bother a dev studio over petty console war shite?
TBiddy
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Yes, this is you not caring.
The PS5 obviously could not run the game in 4k60. Why else downgrade shadows and resolution?
bitbydeath
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It all seems rather obvious to me hence the news at 11 comment. What part aren’t you getting?
M1chl
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Not likely due to that field, that's draw calls/Direct X hell...
Gudji
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Because the PS5 can do more? Why wouldn't you want it to be better? Also I don't want to bother a dev studio, I'm curious about why.
SaiyanRaoh
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I'm having a tough time deciding and need some help. I have the first 2 games on Steam and before today, I would have just gotten the PC version since sooner or later I'll be able to import the first two games into it. But.....I have a 2070 Super and I don't think I'll get 4k60 on my PC. Now, I want the game on my Series X upon hearing it suddenly went into beast mode. But I don't own the previous games on the platform for importing. There no chance of cross platform redeeming via the IO account, is there? If so, I'll get the XSX version and wait.
assurdum
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Like I said such lower resolution and shadow setting doesn't sounds right at all. Series X could have notable advantage on ps5 in the multiplat if the engine is more tied to the previous generation coding.
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J_Gamer.exe
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Only shadows wasnt it or something. But no weve seen many games launch with missing things and bugs etc, this 1 result isn't conclusive as we dont know how the game was ported, whether it benefits a pc like setup etc etc.
If there's many other results like this then ok, a pattern is emerging. But one result when engines are known to favour one way or the other and bc may be involved in some way. As said to eliminate those drops on sx i reckon you'd have to drop the res a fair bit, probably a similar % that ps5 could raise res by and have similar drops.
You'll never see the difference between 1800p and 4k. You will definitely feel it dropping to 40 fps. Using vrr as an excuse is a bad argument. What about the 90% of people playing the game who don't have a capable tv. I'm pretty sure even with VRR you're going to feel it dropping 20 frames.
Gudji
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So let me get this straight, you have better looking games outhere that run at higher res and have better or similar graphics and you're still thinking the console cannot do 4K60... gotcha.
Snake29
RSI Employee of the Year
Trying to fix the performance on the XSX.
Stuart360
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Why can the PS5 do better?, and why wouldnt the devs do better if it could?, Microsoft paid them to gimp the game or something?.
They set the resolution and settings to what would get them a near locked 60fps on either console, and thats what they delivered. I wouldnt even be surprised if the devs didnt even realize about the problems in the field in the XSX version. I bet it gets fixed soon enough though.
Jigsaah
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Did I miss it? They don't talk about raytracing on either console. Seems that would be a pretty important point to make. People comparing the framerate to non-RTX cards on PC based on frame rate alone may be missing the point.
www.gamerevolution.com
Does Hitman 3 have ray tracing?
Does Hitman 3 have ray tracing? Here's the lowdown on whether or not the new Hitman game has RT, the impressive real-time lighting effect, on PC, PS4, PS5, Xbox One, and Xbox Series X|S.
www.gamerevolution.com
Tickle My Tendies
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Oh...you're trolling. Gotcha. Carry on.
Did I miss it? They don't talk about raytracing on either console. Seems that would be a pretty important point to make. People comparing the framerate to non-RTX cards on PC based on frame rate alone may be missing the point.
Does Hitman 3 have ray tracing?
Does Hitman 3 have ray tracing? Here's the lowdown on whether or not the new Hitman game has RT, the impressive real-time lighting effect, on PC, PS4, PS5, Xbox One, and Xbox Series X|S.
Jeff Grubb and other reviewers have confirmed it does not currently have ray tracing on any plattform. I would pull up the tweets but too lazy.
I think someone said it would come later in an update.
Schnozberry
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They only showed it happening on one level. There's definitely something related to that specific foliage that's causing the engine to drop frames on the Xbox consoles.
Since this is another engine running in an enhanced backward compatibility mode, it's difficult to say whether it's a hardware or software issue.
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
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I think it's just an extreme overreaction tbqh. Teraflops aren't everything, you were right to believe that. However, if this trend continues and Series X games continue to pull notable performance advantage the majority of the time going forward, then I think it's worth stating that a lot of people may've been underplaying the system's other advantages, as it does have a good few such as higher texture fillrate, more physical cache (due to having a larger GPU), faster bandwidth on GPU-optimized memory (10 GB @ 560 GB/s), and a few other things.
At the same time PS5 has some advantages over Series X, namely pixel fillrate, culling rate and triangle rasterization rate. I'm just focusing on GPU-side things, here, it's not like one system has 100% advantage over the other. But yeah, I would say some have understated Series X's particular advantages; over time it having more CUs will afford a benefit in parallelized workloads, and maybe there are actually some "full RDNA 2" features specific to gaming the system has that PS5 doesn't have (or doesn't have equivalents to), similar to how PS5 has cache scrubbers and cache coherency engines (to aid in the use of cache scrubbers) and Series X doesn't.
All I'm saying is, don't take the results seen here as simply being due to "moar teraflopz!"; it's potentially more complicated than that. Likewise if we see some other 3P games having some edges on PS5 it probably won't be as simple as "fasterz GPU!" or cache scrubbers, either. These are both very capable machines with a few advantages over the other and we've already seen some surprises from Sony's design in a few results that could speak to benefits in their design not yet understood, it really shouldn't be too surprising when we see results from Microsoft's design that speak to their strengths, and in some cases we might see results that speak to benefits not yet even known or understood about the hardware.
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Genx3
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You can clearly see the difference when you read the notes in that 1 video.
So in many areas it is clear they are using SSR and not RT. First level shows this. BUT then on the second level there are mirrors that can reflect things that are not on the screen. Is RT being used at times? I think so.Did I miss it? They don't talk about raytracing on either console. Seems that would be a pretty important point to make. People comparing the framerate to non-RTX cards on PC based on frame rate alone may be missing the point.
Does Hitman 3 have ray tracing?
Does Hitman 3 have ray tracing? Here's the lowdown on whether or not the new Hitman game has RT, the impressive real-time lighting effect, on PC, PS4, PS5, Xbox One, and Xbox Series X|S.
assurdum
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Why ps5 can't do the same of series X in a cross generation title? Variable clock? 10 TF?
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Mister Wolf
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That's why I'm already tired of this "dynamic 4K" scam.
Gudji
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Because we have other games that look better, it's simple really. There could be multiple reasons why that is happening, that's something only they know.
Regarding the MS part, I'll leave those conspiracy theories for you to figure out.
assurdum
Banned
This trend. Good Lord. Again people look just to the raw number and doesn't uses the logic to understand what could be the possible reason behind such different graphic setting.
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AnotherOne
Member
You're extra butthurt today aren't you, it's alright go hug your ps5.
bitbydeath
Gold Member
Sorry if I upset you. Thought my comment was obvious. Water is wet and all that.
M1chl
Currently Gif and Meme Champion
Seems like BS honestly. Showed footage does not look like it has RT, cubemaps, yes, but RT no...Did I miss it? They don't talk about raytracing on either console. Seems that would be a pretty important point to make. People comparing the framerate to non-RTX cards on PC based on frame rate alone may be missing the point.
Does Hitman 3 have ray tracing?
Does Hitman 3 have ray tracing? Here's the lowdown on whether or not the new Hitman game has RT, the impressive real-time lighting effect, on PC, PS4, PS5, Xbox One, and Xbox Series X|S.
Jigsaah
Gold Member
Hmmm I see so no/little raytracing at the start? Got it. Given that...90 or 120 fps is not reasonable without RTX I take it?
Superayate
Member
Yes, that's clearly possible.
mckmas8808
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So what will it take to actually "See" the difference between 1800p and 4K? 200%, 400%, or 800% zoom?
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