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[Silent Viper]

Today, we saw MS changed their policy after listening to community feedback and made f2p games actually free where no gold required to play online and also decided not to increase the price.

Now, its time for Sony to allow free cloud saves. Functionality like cloud save is free on Xbox and PC but Sony charges money for it and its high time they change. You guys agree it should be free or no?

Discuss.

 

[Silent Viper]

Gaf User name SoloKing Robert posted this -

And if you're not subscribed to PS Plus for 6 months Sony removes your cloud saves

Wtf is this true as well? If yes then its pathetic imo.

 

[The Shepard]

I'd rather them sort out that 1000 save limit, I hit that recently and had to delete a load of saves. Also the 6 months till delete shouldn't be a thing.

And that ms policy of doubling the price of xbox live gold was the most disgusting thing any company had the cheek to try and pull off. I was honestly contemplating selling my series x.

 

[Knitted Knight]

They should but you need some bigger outrage to piggy back the cloud-save outrage. Just like the F2P games on XBL Gold wall was piggy backed on the price increase outrage.

Unless someone inside reads up on it and decides to make it a priority to the powers that be it's not gonna happen soon.

 

[I don't like pirates]

I don't use that shit. I just want Sony to go back to free multiplayer, but i know that now it's imposible.

Thanks, Microsoft.

 

[Snake29]

I agree, and give PS+ more space and let me also upload photos/videos to the cloud, so i can also see them directly from the PS App.

So if you want to save your content in the Cloud, it would require PS+. I think that’s kinda fair.

 

[The Shepard]

They should but you need some bigger outrage to piggy back the cloud-save outrage.

Exactly, I just can't see it happening. They should at least give us the option of storing our saves without the plus requirement like on a flash drive or external hdd/ssd.

Edit: on PS5

 

[Silent Viper]

I'd rather them sort out the 1000 save limit, I hit that myself recently so had to delete a load of old saves. Also the 6 months till delete shouldn't be a thing.

And that ms policy of doubling the price of xbox live gold was the most disgusting thing any company had the cheek to try and pull off. I was honestly contemplating selling my series x.

It was a mistake and they admitted it and changed it within 24 hours. Bottom line is they listened to community feedback. Now i hope functionality like cloud saves on psn will be free. No limit and free.


Anyone defending paid multiplayer or paid cloud saves is corporate shill in my eyes

 

[Knitted Knight]

Exactly, I just can't see it happening. They should at least give us the option of storing our saves without the plus requirement like on a flash drive or external hdd/ssd.

You can do that I believe.

 

[The Shepard]

You can do that I believe.

I forgot to add ps5

 

[Knitted Knight]

I forgot to add ps5

You can do that on PS5. Go to your system menu and try it.

Edit: I see the point, only PS4 saved data on PS5 can be saved to USB drives.

I think that has more to do with the extended storage update that is slated to release than some conscious policy like cloud saves tho.

 

[Calverz]

Ok so a little story about this.....i sold my ps4 pro(worst console ever) around april 2019. My psn+ Had expired probably around January or February 2019.
I played a lot of skyrim/gt sport and had multiple saves on the cloud. I didnt back up anything.
Fast forward to august 2020 and im on this forum realising that when i eventually buy the ps5 at launch, i wouldnt have any of my cloud saves since i stopped subscribing to psn+. Queue people calling me an idiot for not backing up etc but i presumed it would be seamless like the xbox experience. Well once i got my ps5, i got a month of psn+ Lo and behold all my previous saves were there. In fact im certain there were saves there from AFTER my psn+ sub ended in jan/feb 2019. So i have no idea wtf is going on.

 

[Burythelight]

The purpose of your thread is onotherr... but i agree.

 

[The Shepard]

It was a mistake and they admitted it and changed it within 24 hours. Bottom line is they listened to community feedback. Now i hope functionality like cloud saves on psn will be free. No limit and free.


Anyone defending paid multiplayer or paid cloud saves is corporate shill in my eyes

But they still had the cheek to try it. I'm glad they've backpeddled as it would have given sony even more dominance over there last gen lead. If it wasn't for the competition then this would have been the new normal. They would have just put there hands in there ears and that would have been the end of it. This is why competition is a good thing, it stops all these big companies getting to greedy as they fear everyone jumping ship to there rivals.

I'm not defending cloud saves behind a pay wall, I'm just pointing out the fact that there behind a pay wall and there's a limit of 1000 saves which should be sorting out.

 

[bitbydeath]

There being a paywall for anything is the real problem.

Microsoft really fucked us on that one.

 

[Nezzeroth]

They'll do it when they try to double the cost of their games and they get a backlash.

 

[Burythelight]

The purpose of your thread is onother... but i agree and they should give us a better refund policy.

 

[Panajev2001a]

It was a mistake and they admitted it and changed it within 24 hours. Bottom line is they listened to community feedback. Now i hope functionality like cloud saves on psn will be free. No limit and free.


Anyone defending paid multiplayer or paid cloud saves is corporate shill in my eyes

So, let me get it straight. The argument you are drumming this rally to get Sony to drop the fee on cloud saves (not a bad idea in and of itself) up with is that MS decided to, in some months from now and to save face after trying to double Xbox LIVE’s price, drop the paywall they had and that Sony never had to begin with?

So, by virtue of getting you the same treatment on F2P games as Sony always had they are now on a moral high ground to demand Sony gives more away for free?

 

[Wizz-Art]

The Xbox community had a bad decission reversed, confirmed the community with the most outspoken users! I don't get the fact that 99% of PS and Nintendo users are ok with such an anti-consumer policy and swallow everything their overlords decide for them. Make some noise for real and they have to reverse the decission to lock cloudsaves behind a paywall.

 

[bitbydeath]

The Xbox community had a bad decission reversed, confirmed the community with the most outspoken users! I don't get the fact that 99% of PS and Nintendo users are ok with such an anti-consumer policy and swallow everything their overlords decide for them. Make some noise for real and they have to reverse the decission to lock cloudsaves behind a paywall.

Go bigger or go home.
No paywall!

 

[Wizz-Art]

Go bigger or go home.
No paywall!

Go PC.

 

[bitbydeath]

Go PC.

Why not both?
Arguing about cloud saves is pathetic, nobody cares. It’s the paywall that’s the real issue.

 

[RPS37]

I’m currently subscribed, but I don’t know if I will be when I get my PS5.
I would like to know my saves are...safe.

 

[TimFL]

Gaf User name SoloKing Robert posted this -





Wtf is this true as well? If yes then its pathetic imo.

I have PS3 Could saves from over a decade ago even though I had literal dry runs without Plus for at the very least 5 years.

It seems to be more like a clause in case they need to wipe some storage clean.

 

[Silent Viper]

So, let me get it straight. The argument you are drumming up this rally to get Sony to drop the fee on cloud saves (not a bad idea in and of itself) with is that MS decided to, in some months from now and to save face after trying to double Xbox LIVE’s price, drop the paywall they had and that Sony never had to begin with?

So, by virtue of getting you the same treatment on F2P games as Sony always had they are now on a moral high ground to demand Sony gives more away for free?

I was always against both policies but no change was happening but now after seeing MS changing policies, im hoping that Sony will follow suit or ps fans will ask Sony to change it but after reading your post i started to having doubts coz it looks like ppl like you are ok with Sony charging money for cloud saves?. You defending paid cloud saves just sad.

 

[Silent Viper]

The purpose of your thread is onotherr... but i agree.

Purpose of thread to open some eyes towards anti consumer policies.

Paid multiplayer is bad on both sides but on Sony side - we get bad refund system and paid cloud saves on top of paid multiplayer. On Xbox side, now we only get paid multiplayer. MS fixed other issues by listening to community finally.

 

[Panajev2001a]

I was always against both policies but no change was happening but now after seeing MS changing policies, im hoping that Sony will follow suit or ps fans will ask Sony to change it but after reading your post i started to having doubts coz it looks like ppl like you are ok with Sony charging money for cloud saves?. You defending paid cloud saves just sad.

You do need to make shit up to make a point when I said:

“get Sony to drop the fee on cloud saves (not a bad idea in and of itself)”

I mean it was right there in the post you just quoted, first thing.
This thread is like Deflecting Bad Xbox News by trying to throw SonyBad arguments up the wall and seeing what sticks 101: one tries to discuss its merits and you go hard on the console warring angry counter attack which just taints your own OP.

Edit: and then we have this bit:

Purpose of thread to open some eyes towards anti consumer policies. [...]

Consumer policies... of another company (which fits with what I was saying in the paragraph above).

 

[Mattyp]

Sony don't give a fuck or listen to consumers on pricing.

You will take your $70 games and you will eat shit while doing so.

 

[kyliethicc]

sure yeah they should offer some amount of free cloud saves. or at least allow USB backup as free option

 

[bitbydeath]

I was always against both policies but no change was happening but now after seeing MS changing policies, im hoping that Sony will follow suit or ps fans will ask Sony to change it but after reading your post i started to having doubts coz it looks like ppl like you are ok with Sony charging money for cloud saves?. You defending paid cloud saves just sad.

People just don’t care. Cloud saves do what exactly? Help you transfer your saves between different systems (something that can be manually done) that’s about it. And you only need it once every 7 years.

The features nice but it’s really meh in the scheme of things.

 

[Yoboman]

Why

 

[Panajev2001a]

People just don’t care. Cloud saves do what exactly? Help you transfer your saves between different systems (something that can be manually done) that’s about it. And you only need it once every 7 years.

The features nice but it’s really meh in the scheme of things.

Well, not risking losing your saves and making it easier to sync them back without messing with USB drives or anything would be nice for people. I do not think PS+ is the only way to backup your game saves though, just the easiest one.

Edit: if PS+ were the only way to backup your saves then yeah it is fucked up.

 

[M1chl]

Well good thing that Xbox has the audience, who call out the company out. Jim Ryan announced 70USD games and people started vomit "but those games are quality games, the very best quality games", I don't mind...hell I am fucking rich". Talking about cults yesterday was one of the richest things I saw in a long time.

But yeah I agree, this is shitty, becuse you pay for "save slot" for every game, some price goes to servers, I believe it's same with Valve. But nope Sony is just "I am going to be keeping that".

 

[Silent Viper]

You do need to make shit up to make a point when I said:

“get Sony to drop the fee on cloud saves (not a bad idea in and of itself)”

I mean it was right there in the post you just quoted, first thing.
This thread is like Deflecting Bad Xbox News by trying to throw SonyBad arguments up the wall and seeing what sticks 101: one tries to discuss its merits and you go hard on the console warring angry counter attack which just taints your own OP.

Edit: and then we have this bit:

Consumer policies... of another company (which fits with what I was saying in the paragraph above).

I like you started attacking me instead of criticising bad policy. Attacking me wont get you anything but asking for change will help everyone including you.

 

[cormack12]

Gaf User name SoloKing Robert posted this -





Wtf is this true as well? If yes then its pathetic imo.

This is not true. They reserve the right to but there is no actual case of it happening. It will probably be used for long dormant accounts (no logins).

As to the OP, then yeah free cloud saves should be a given though ubi connect show they arent exactly great. Especially with block level dedupe

 

[bitbydeath]

Well, not risking losing your saves and making it easier to sync them back without messing with USB drives or anything would be nice for people. I do not think PS+ is the only way to backup your game saves though, just the easiest one.

Edit: if PS+ were the only way to backup your saves then yeah it is fucked up.

Yeah, it isn’t. Losing saves would be very rare too. I guess if your system breaks would be the biggest cause but then again you could transfer the HDD out to the new system.

 

[Wizz-Art]

Why not both?
Arguing about cloud saves is pathetic, nobody cares. It’s the paywall that’s the real issue.

Xbox Live is hands down the best online platform in console gaming, maybe because they invest in their online infastructure and owning the servers Xbox Live runs on. It's just damn good and in the decade and a half I'm using it is never down for longer then an hour at most twice a year or so. I also like the Games with Gold added bonus games and get much use almost every week with the Deals with Gold offers so the yearly subscriptions I used to earn with the MS rewards program gave me XLG for free before I started to subscribe to Game Pass Ultimate. I earn enough points yearly to have that for free to but instead of that I used my MS Reward points the last year to get about 200 dollar of Xbox giftcards to get me some games in the Black Friday and other sales.

Yes you have to use the Xbox or MS Store to buy your games, movies and TV shows but when you were doing that anyway like me before the MS Rewards loyalty program was a thing you can have XLG or GPU for free if you choose to.

 

[Silent Viper]

The purpose of your thread is onother... but i agree and they should give us a better refund policy.

Better refund
Free cloud saves

Both we need from Sony.

Every other platform is way better about these features

 

[Silent Viper]

Yeah, it isn’t. Losing saves would be very rare too. I guess if your system breaks would be the biggest cause but then again you could transfer the HDD out to the new system.

I lost my Tlou 2 progress. I was in 2nd act and my ps4 died. I didn't upload anything to cloud since i didn't renew my plus.

I had to restart the game again on new system.

So auto cloud free cloud save feature is great for consumers

 

[bitbydeath]

Xbox Live is hands down the best online platform in console gaming, maybe because they invest in their online infastructure and owning the servers Xbox Live runs on. It's just damn good and in the decade and a half I'm using it is never down for longer then an hour at most twice a year or so. I also like the Games with Gold added bonus games and get much use almost every week with the Deals with Gold offers so the yearly subscriptions I used to earn with the MS rewards program gave me XLG for free before I started to subscribe to Game Pass Ultimate. I earn enough points yearly to have that for free to but instead of that I used my MS Reward points the last year to get about 200 dollar of Xbox giftcards to get me some games in the Black Friday and other sales.

Yes you have to use the Xbox or MS Store to buy your games, movies and TV shows but when you were doing that anyway like me before the MS Rewards loyalty program was a thing you can have XLG or GPU for free if you choose to.

I disagree but that’s fine. Everyone can have different opinions.

 

[bitbydeath]

I lost my Tlou 2 progress. I was in 2nd act and my ps4 died. I didn't upload anything to cloud since i didn't renew my plus.

I had to restart the game again on new system.

So auto cloud free cloud save feature is great for consumers

You didn’t try switch the HDD?

 

[mejin]

Spencer you moved a little too soon, but don't give up. You are almost there.

 

[SkylineRKR]

I agree even though I don't care much. I used cloud saves once or twice, when I got my PS5 I didn't want to transfer everything over. I just logged in, selected the saves of games I wanted to keep playing and was done with it.

There are surely other ways to keep your saves? And honestly I don't give a shit if saves are gone but that might be just me. MMO and multiplayer keep your progress on the server. Older games I either never play anymore, as they were completed or I was bored of them anyway.

Its a function that should not be behind a paywall like online play, but since the reality is I need Plus to play online I get the cloud saves too.

 

[Topher]

Gaf User name SoloKing Robert posted this -





Wtf is this true as well? If yes then its pathetic imo.

That is not true. I resubbed to PS+ just two days ago after finally being able to purchase a PS5. I had not been subscribed since 2018. I've been playing Batman Arkham Knight again recently.

Here you can see my saves from 2017 in the cloud as well as my more recent saves from playing the game again.

While I agree with you that this is functionality would be better if it were not behind a paywall like the competition, Sony does not delete these saves.

Better refund
Free cloud saves

Both we need from Sony.

Every other platform is way better about these features

Microsoft's refund policy could be improved quite a bit actually as there are no defined parameters. Each is judged individually. It is better than Sony's, but not "way better". Steam's policy is the one others should adopt. 2 hours of gameplay in 14 days. Clear and consistent. You know exactly where you stand. GOG's is even better: 30 days no questions asked. Bottom line on refund: consoles in general have a lot of catching up to do in this regard.

 

[M1chl]

That is not true. I resubbed to PS+ just two days ago after finally being able to purchase a PS5. I had not been subscribed since 2018. I've been playing Batman Arkham Knight again recently.

Here you can see my saves from 2017 in the cloud as well as my more recent saves from playing the game again.

While I agree with you that this is functionality would be better if it were not behind a paywall like the competition, Sony does not delete these saves.



Microsoft's refund policy could be improved quite a bit actually as there are no defined parameters. Each is judged individually. It is better than Sony's, but not "way better". Steam's policy is the one others should adopt. 2 hours of gameplay in 14 days. Clear and consistent. You know exactly where you stand. GOG's is even better: 30 days no questions asked. Bottom line on refund: consoles in general have a lot of catching up to do in this regard.

I believe less than 14 days and less 2 hours of gametime, is now autmatically granted. On Xbox, other cases are individual, for example if patch broke it or something like that.

 

[danielJackson]

personally I dont think it should matter.

PS+ is fucking cheap, almost every year it is on sale for 30-40€/year, multiple times a year.

Now how many of people whom complain waste money to things like taxi/uber, restaurants, alcohol/drugs/smoking, bars/nightclubs, expensive food, multiple streaming services, paid cable tv, whatever? Like, unless they live like monks, they dont have the right to complain.

So, whom are these crybabies whom complain that they have hobby of gaming, but 30-60€/year is way too much to pay for a hobby?

Like, what the heck they are even playing? Same game for whole gen?

Because PS+ offers so many "free" games that unless gamer is some fifa-autists and never plays anything else, the chance that there are multiple good games per year on the ps+ games is quite high.

If only thing they need is cloud saves, then they should just use USB backup for their saves.

It is simple, if you never play online, dont want ps+ games = use usb backup if you need it.

if you move between different consoles, like some of the ps+ games, play online = pay it.

PS+ offers tons of features and really good games from time to time, I have had it since 2013 so I have HUGE library of games, so it is kind of like gamepass but much cheaper and bigger library.

PS+ is like under 3€/month on cheapest and if that is too much of money for a hobby, they should just change a hobby.

 

[TLZ]

I hope they become free. Even Nintendo does that now.

 

[Skifi28]

If people are vocal enough, maybe.

 

[Hudo]

I agree. Platform holders should make basic shit like cloud saves and being able to play online against other people free. To gate that behind fees is just fucking disgusting. But from a business point of view, it seems that there are enough idiots out there who are not only willing to get conned into paying for stuff that should be free but are even "proud" of being locked in like that.

 

[The Shepard]

I hope they become free. Even Nintendo does that now.

They do!? I thought it was behind the Nintendo online pay wall, its the main reason I sub.