Topher
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They should make that policy. Right now, the policy is completely arbitrary.
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Sony should make Cloud saves on PS4/5 free and not part of PSN Plus
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They should make that policy. Right now, the policy is completely arbitrary.
M1chl
Currently Gif and Meme Champion
Maybe because I am in EU? Normally before it even asked, however I refund myself few games in past 2 months and it was wihout question asked (I am not talking about CB2077)...
Riky
$MSFT
I'm pretty much in the same boat, still got my PS4 Pro but not PS+ for a year, so my saves are locked away until I resubscribe. I'll only do that if I get a PS5 so I hope my saves are still there.
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Endless Fluff
Banned
They should just give us the option to upload shit to our own 3rd party clouds. Just like they let you upload videos to YouTube and screenshots to twitter. I have 2 TB cloud storage I get from my ISP which would be great for screenshots/videos and saves.
Heck, I'd love to be able to just use my NAS as a cloud storage. The fact that this shit is behind a paywall is embarrassing especially when you compare it to Steam for example.
Heck, I'd love to be able to just use my NAS as a cloud storage. The fact that this shit is behind a paywall is embarrassing especially when you compare it to Steam for example.
phil_t98
#SonyToo
it was Sonys move not Microsofts
N1tr0sOx1d3
Given another chance
I’m not a shill and I enjoy things that are free, but PS4 has sold over 100,000,000 and has many more players. How can they provide that kind of storage for free?
Mistershine.
Banned
Azure storage costs £0.00061/GB per month so 100GB would be 6p per month per user, or 72p a year. Most users wouldn't even need 1GB so the cost is easily covered with the console purchase.
Endless Fluff
Banned
Steam 120 million active monthly users (with over 1 billion accounts)
Every steam user has free cloud storage dependent on how many games he owns as each game has a fixed amount of cloud storage. On top of that each account gets a fixed amount of storage for screenshots.
If Valve can do it on a much larger scale, then Sony can do it too.
Duchess
Member
Yep, cloud saves on PlayStation are tied to Plus.
Some other things to keep in mind: according to various forums, there is a grace period of about 6 months after your PS+ ends before they are deleted.
It would be nice if Sony could allow one save backup (the latest one) per game, per account.
Some other things to keep in mind: according to various forums, there is a grace period of about 6 months after your PS+ ends before they are deleted.
It would be nice if Sony could allow one save backup (the latest one) per game, per account.
TLZ
Banned
Oh I meant even Nintendo cloud saves are behind a paywall like Sony.
TLZ
Banned
According to posters here whose subs ran out for a year plus, they still had access to their saves when they resubbed.
GhostOfTsu
Banned
You and DarkMage have been going at it all day. Is it because it's the last bullet point you have against Sony? The desperation.
Please give me a scenario on PS5 where you absolutely needed a cloud save? On PS4 I used a flash drive to transfer them.
I never use them on Steam, GOG or Switch. Don't even know how to get them actually.
Cloud saves are free on XBOX because it's THE ONLY way to store them. You can't use backups. It might come later on PS5, we'll see.
Please give me a scenario on PS5 where you absolutely needed a cloud save? On PS4 I used a flash drive to transfer them.
I never use them on Steam, GOG or Switch. Don't even know how to get them actually.
Cloud saves are free on XBOX because it's THE ONLY way to store them. You can't use backups. It might come later on PS5, we'll see.
N1tr0sOx1d3
Given another chance
Steam 120 million active monthly users (with over 1 billion accounts)
Every steam user has free cloud storage dependent on how many games he owns as each game has a fixed amount of cloud storage. On top of that each account gets a fixed amount of storage for screenshots.
If Valve can do it on a much larger scale, then Sony can do it too.
Thank you. I Haven’t kept up with storage costs, so good to know it’s possible.
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Redlancet
Banned
They are too busy playing exclusive and awesome games, but good Try
iHaunter
Member
Would you say the same for Nintendo?
You can do USB back-ups...
Nintendo has it locked behind a paywall. And Nintendo + or whatever is 100x worse than PS+.
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DrAspirino
Banned
Microsoft could easily afford free online play for its users, given they use the same Azure infrastructure for the rest of their bussinesses. Same could be said about Sony and their servers.
The only one that truly have an excuse for online paywall (because their infrastructure is small) is Nintendo. The rest is just greed.
ethomaz
Banned
Two different subjects.
- You need to give user free space on servers to allow free cloud storage... that is generate a cost.
- You don’t need do to anything to allow F2P games to be F2P... you have no cost.
The first is debatable and the company can ask to the end-user pay the bill.
The second is really weird because you are making the end-user pay for something you don’t own or pay a penny... it is basically steal money from end-user wallets.
Said that I hope Sony offer options like Google Drive and others to allow store in Cloud saves... that way you don’t need to ask the end-user to pay the bill or add a cost without return to your business.
- You need to give user free space on servers to allow free cloud storage... that is generate a cost.
- You don’t need do to anything to allow F2P games to be F2P... you have no cost.
The first is debatable and the company can ask to the end-user pay the bill.
The second is really weird because you are making the end-user pay for something you don’t own or pay a penny... it is basically steal money from end-user wallets.
Said that I hope Sony offer options like Google Drive and others to allow store in Cloud saves... that way you don’t need to ask the end-user to pay the bill or add a cost without return to your business.
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FranXico
Member
It's the same on Xbox though. Online multiplayer paywalls should have never been normalized in the first place.
ripeavocado
Banned
Of course they should but they never do it as long as they are dozens of millions of gamers paying for something that should be free.
Topher
Gold Member
Overall, I have a hard time equating requiring Gold for FREE to play games with cloud saves. FTP games are typically online so effectively MS was making these games NOT free to play. Cloud saves are a convenience, not a necessity. I could have easily exported all my previous saves like the Batman ones I showed above on to a USB drive. But I didn't and that is on me.
Having said all that, cloud saves are becoming the norm and that is good. Yes, I think it should be a feature that comes with the console at no extra cost. But this redirection to talking about a Sony issue after a Microsoft PR disaster is a bit forced.
Having said all that, cloud saves are becoming the norm and that is good. Yes, I think it should be a feature that comes with the console at no extra cost. But this redirection to talking about a Sony issue after a Microsoft PR disaster is a bit forced.
Wizz-Art
Member
Sony rents their sever space where PSN runs on from AWS and they contracted Azure last year too for I believe their streaming services so they don't own anything.
v_iHuGi
Banned
I was not subbed for months and cloud saves are still there, maybe it´s new? if true big fucking bullshit wtf.
MasterCornholio
Member
I felt like we had this discussion before on cloud saves multiple times. Interesting how the 180 from Microsoft reignited the discussion.
FranXico
Member
They're remarkably loyal.
FranXico
Member
Like right until yesterday, the ability to play free to play games, right?
JimboJones
Member
Your gonna get seemingly basic services locked behind paywalls on consoles, how else would they justify selling consoles at such a relatively cheap price.
It's just reality there's gonna be hidden costs like these, be it saves on Nintendo/Sony or free to play games on MS, pick your poison I guess.
Edit: didn't realize MS had made the decision to get rid of the free to pay paywall, that's a good step forward.
It's just reality there's gonna be hidden costs like these, be it saves on Nintendo/Sony or free to play games on MS, pick your poison I guess.
Edit: didn't realize MS had made the decision to get rid of the free to pay paywall, that's a good step forward.
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IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
It only really became a bad thing when PS5 launched w/o the ability to back up saves.
Before that.. whatevs...
Companies charge for value as much as cost. That's capitalism for you. The cost is incredibly minimal, the value is the convenience and the other features PSN+ provides.
Same with everything else related to these services that generally offer a very high profit margin.
MS found out yesterday that people do not think the value of online multi-player and occasionally free games is $10/month.
$5/month seems like a sweet spot for that; on the Sony side that includes paywalling cloud saves.
*shrug*
Before that.. whatevs...
Companies charge for value as much as cost. That's capitalism for you. The cost is incredibly minimal, the value is the convenience and the other features PSN+ provides.
Same with everything else related to these services that generally offer a very high profit margin.
MS found out yesterday that people do not think the value of online multi-player and occasionally free games is $10/month.
$5/month seems like a sweet spot for that; on the Sony side that includes paywalling cloud saves.
*shrug*
v_iHuGi
Banned
Maybe in 2008 2009 yes it was, these days they are pretty much the same shit and Xbox Live actually goes down more times than PSN which is an absolute joke coming from MicroSoftWare.
I´ve been using XBL since forever, since Ps4 came out never touched it as much as i used to, in fact i completely left the platform in 2019, Xbox Live Gold is absolute shit these days (Game Offering) and MS focus is clearly on GP which is far far better than Gold now.
I give kudos to MS, their game servers since Gears 3 have been very good but they were late to the party adding dedicated servers to their games when many major players were already doing that, i´ll never forget Gears 2 fiasco.
Dabaus
Banned
Loyal to a paycheck. I refuse to believe someone will shill for xbox for free.
Blond
Banned
Not true, I once didn’t have plus for over 2 years and didn’t lose my cloud saves.
Blond
Banned
“Companies should give me free access to shit” is what your entire argument boils down too. Cloud storage and redundancy to ensure no data loss is a of work, even on a small establishment like the ones I work on which is largely automated still requires manual maintenance. Don’t believe me? Microsoft tried to offer unlimited one drive storage years ago and realized even they couldn’t keep up without cloud being a money loser.
Mr Moose
Member
I could be reading it wrong, but I think it's 107GB on PS5?
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With PlayStation®Plus cloud storage, you can save your progress on one system and then continue on another later on. You can save up to 100GB of game save data for PlayStation®5 and PlayStation®4.
PlayStation Plus cloud storage for PS5 consoles
Find out how to use PlayStation®Plus cloud storage to copy and download saved data, and free up space on your PlayStation®5 console storage.
www.playstation.com
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Concern
Member
I could be reading it wrong, but I think it's 107GB on PS5?
Edit:
With PlayStation®Plus cloud storage, you can save your progress on one system and then continue on another later on. You can save up to 100GB of game save data for PlayStation®5 and PlayStation®4.
PlayStation Plus cloud storage for PS5 consoles
Find out how to use PlayStation®Plus cloud storage to copy and download saved data, and free up space on your PlayStation®5 console storage.
Well that's definitely way better than the 10gb on Ps4. I remember it used to be just 1gb then updated to 10gb.
Still a shitty move to have behind plus. Should be accessible for anyone with a Playstation.
sublimit
Banned
I wish but sadly it ain't happening. I've been saying that ever since the PS3 era.The way consoles became ever since the 7th generation cloud saves should have been the responsibility of the platform holder and provided them for free.
If not then at least give us the option of some type of official memory card.
Of course there's also the usb stick solution but these can get easily corrupted.
If not then at least give us the option of some type of official memory card.
Of course there's also the usb stick solution but these can get easily corrupted.
Aenima
Member
Its 100gb now. It used to be 10gb untill 2 years ago or so.
Actually, 200gb if u own a PS5 as the saves are stored in diferent sections, its 100gb for PS4 saves and another 100gb for PS5 saves.
Wold be nice if at least they gave away 10gb for free cloud saves. All my PS4 cloud saves only took 7GB of cloud storage space.
BTW, are party chat still locked behind xbox live sub? Or MS already got rid of that nonsense?
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kingpotato
Ask me about my Stream Deck
I've never used my cloud saves for anything. For me at least, it's a worthless feature altogether. Why do people want console manufactures to hold their save files?
Concern
Member
Yea my auto saves to the cloud had stopped once it filled up. So I had bought a 128gb usb to transfer my saves and let it stay on auto. It should just be free imo.
Im not exactly sure but I believe they still are. At least f2p not behind a paywall now. Maybe that could be next.
VictorVectors
Member
I didn't know about this. Finding a code for $30 a year and just paying for three years at a time basically makes this all a non-issue, but that being said, they should taught you with your save games and not let you download if it expires instead of outright deleting everything. That's actually pretty crazy.
Almost as bad as Sony's refund policy. It being, there isn't one.
kraspkibble
Permabanned.
they should but people are happy to pay for online so they will charge.
don't give me bullshit about how you aren't happy to pay for online. maybe YOU aren't. the very fact that PS+ exists as a paid product is proof that most people don't mind paying for it. if people really weren't up for paying to play online then Sony would've scrapped PS+ years ago.
don't give me bullshit about how you aren't happy to pay for online. maybe YOU aren't. the very fact that PS+ exists as a paid product is proof that most people don't mind paying for it. if people really weren't up for paying to play online then Sony would've scrapped PS+ years ago.
FrankWza
Member
I would like for Sony to offer PSNow to PS Plus subscribers at the Msoft rate of $1 for 3 years.
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