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[DF] NEED FOR SPEED Hot Pursuit Remastered PS5 vs Xbox Series X
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Other threads:
PS Fans: BC doesn't count, old games LOL
Xbox Fans: Boom another one.
This thread:
PS Fans: Boom another one.
Xbox Fans: It's BC, doesn't count due to software issues.
The Circle of Life.
Because honestly there's nothing else to really say for the PS5. Its locked 60, no issues anywhere else, the end.
SplunkyMunkey
Member
So lets get the straight and old need for speed still has problems anyways from the same area. dont bc on ps5 pretty run on ps4 pro legacy? So its not surprising that its running at full 4k at 60fps as ps4 pro was running at full 4k anyways
Bogroll
Likes moldy games
Series S should be able to piss this at 4k 60. But life is strange I guess.
Md Ray
Member
Nope. PS4 Pro has one advantage over X1X in GPU and that's in pixel fillrate throughput. PS4 Pro is capable of 58.3 Gpix/sec while X1X is capable of 37.5 Gpix/sec. +55% more on Pro.
Likewise, PS5 also has a higher pixel fillrate throughput than XSX GPU by 22%.
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Tickle My Tendies
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I honestly don't know exactly what that means/does. Could "pixel fillrate" explain the performance tank in that one area on both One X and Series X? Otherwise I don't see why the performance difference exists on the One X vs Pro.
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Fbh
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I know some people can't help but to console war.
But if this runs badly on any of the new consoles to me it speaks poorly of the port rather than the console.
It's a fucking Ps3 game with slight upgrades (and even some downgrades). There's no reason it should run poorly on any of the newer consoles.
But if this runs badly on any of the new consoles to me it speaks poorly of the port rather than the console.
It's a fucking Ps3 game with slight upgrades (and even some downgrades). There's no reason it should run poorly on any of the newer consoles.
Superayate
Member
Seriously... Do you really watch the video ? Sometime I really think that people only read and watch what they want and clearly don't use all information that are given...
Md Ray
Member
Older games like these can run at 120fps and above but they're so heavily single-threaded that even on a PC with the latest Intel CPUs it might not be 100% locked 120fps.
Agent X
Member
I normally don't chime in on these comparison threads, but this is a great point.
Is there any good reason why this game should be dropping frames on either of these systems?
The difference here is either an unforeseen bug, or really shoddy development work. It's likely that the developers will become aware of this, fix the problem, and then both systems' fans can enjoy great performance across the board.
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Tickle My Tendies
Member
Damn I am getting insta-replied. Usually a sign to abort thread.
Good luck everyone. I'm out.
As pointed out numerous times, it isn't just a Series X problem, the same issue/difference exists when comparing the One X to the PS4 Pro version. It's something exclusive to the Xbox version of the game on across both generations, and to me just doesn't make any sense.
Good luck everyone. I'm out.
As pointed out numerous times, it isn't just a Series X problem, the same issue/difference exists when comparing the One X to the PS4 Pro version. It's something exclusive to the Xbox version of the game on across both generations, and to me just doesn't make any sense.
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Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
My point was that they didn't talk much about those random but frequenty 1-2 FPS drops on XSX.
Agreed that there isn't much to talk about PS5 here. It's just flawless, and that's about it.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
There were only three options:
1. Missing tools (a 5-month old narrative now)
2. That road is cursed, hence the dropped frames. (I personally like this one the most)
3. A "software issue".
They went with option #3. My preference would have been #2.
Great Hair
Banned
C´mon man! We´re still on page 1, why u hef to ruin da party?! Wait until we reach page 2 or 3 ... dang it! U hef to respek da rule! of trolling.
DF said its a software issue
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Hendrick's
If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
That's because 1-2 frames is inconsequential for anything other than console wars.
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Red-Town
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Thoughts and VRR's to Riky.
Ev1L AuRoN
Member
Is baffling that things like that pass the Quality Control on X. This game should run at 4k60 with the fans stopped in the X.
Mr Moose
Member
Is that the one where you can mod your car and put neon lights under? I loved that game.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
1-2 frames don't matter to me, personally. But using those dropped frames in reference to that major dip during the zig-zag road might help understand things better.
Here is how I'm seeing this: XSX isn't a locked 60. It frequently drops 1-2 frames. Then it drops a lot of frames in that specific area -- which means it's hitting its limitations: either for data streaming (less likely) or for GPU (more likely). If it were a locked 60 everywhere else and dropped frames randomly in just that one area, a 'bug' would have been a more logical answer.
Superayate
Member
Quality control for BC game ?
Bogroll
Likes moldy games
Which in turn removes the its the pixel fill rate causing the problem as SX drops below Pro in that section and that has a lot more pixel fillrate than Pro.
FatKingBallman
Banned
Otherwise DF wouldn't make a comparison. :/ Or maybe because XSX didn't won clearly in this comparison
Also, i'm pretty sure that you read here bunch of posts about tools, how Xbox BC solution is damn superior to PS5 one.
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FatKingBallman
Banned
Wait for the tools
Man, loved that movie.
Superayate
Member
Seriously ? The game is running in 4K 55+fps on OneX and 4K 50+fps on PS4 pro .... It's obvious that there is a soft problem when the game is running on XsX, that's simply not hardware related, the game must run in 4K 60fps flawless on XsX as it is the case on PS5, not running just slightly better than on One X...
Krisprolls
Banned
Yes, sure, every time it's a software issue or glitch for DF.
Games run better on PS5, it's okay, your console is still great too.
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Concern
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I think you're wasting your time.
I didnt know this. Interesting. Another example where tf dont tell the entire story.
I'm also assuming anything else is just equal. Must be no resolution scaling either.
One of them did mention a few months ago that tools werent that great for the XBO consoles most? of last gen. Amazing that a company that likes to boast about the specs, hardware so much would be lacking on the dev software side still.
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You're saying then, that it is not on the software side, so what is it that affects both consoles on the exact same spot? On a hardware level, of course, since you're launching suspicion on the assessment that it is something on the software side.That should be easy for you to do.
FranXico
Member
Of course it's a software issue. Games are software. What's stupid is blindly trying to use any one game as a benchmark of the hardware, without any awareness of how the games were made.
This game doesn't dictate anything about the consoles, just like Dirt 5 didn't, just like Hitman 3 didn't.
This game doesn't dictate anything about the consoles, just like Dirt 5 didn't, just like Hitman 3 didn't.
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Agent X
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I agree that it doesn't make sense.
I don't know whether the issue is with Microsoft's development tools, or just some bug or poorly written code in this particular game. But this is a "remaster" of a game that's more than 10 years old, and performance drops like this shouldn't be happening at all. This game shouldn't be stressing either system. It's likely that this issue can be fixed.
Leyasu
Banned
Best post of the thread so far and no doubt for the whole thread.
skneogaf
Member
Something seriously wrong with the games that have garbage performance on the series x.
Its getting to a point where Id like a proper explanation as this should never ever have problems like 50fps.
I'm interested to see what pc set up can play this at the same settings as its "another one" that needs patches to fix the obvious issues.
Its getting to a point where Id like a proper explanation as this should never ever have problems like 50fps.
I'm interested to see what pc set up can play this at the same settings as its "another one" that needs patches to fix the obvious issues.
Leyasu
Banned
FatKingBallman
Banned
Tickle My Tendies
Member
Problem area demonstrated on both Series X and One X compared to their PlayStation counterparts.
Otherwise the One X does a good job holding 60 according to John, and Pro averages around 50 FPS (again, according to John)
PS5 is locked 60 with no dips, and XsX is 60 outside of this area of the map that tanks performance and is a repeatable issue.
cyber_ninja
Member
Other threads:
PS Fans: BC doesn't count, old games LOL
Xbox Fans: Boom another one.
This thread:
PS Fans: Boom another one.
Xbox Fans: It's BC, doesn't count due to software issues.
Sounds about right, lmao.
sncvsrtoip
Member
probalby because undergounr is really old and need remake and they prefer to make cheap remaster
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
i legit laughed at that excuse. software issue? what other issue could it be? games are software. what are they even trying to say here.
i have defended DF for months but this is getting ridiculous. software issue. really? Cybperunk reviews shouldve just made that excuse and given it a 10 out of 10. "Guys, the game runs like shit. It's just a software issue. Move along."
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Md Ray
Member
Not saying that pixel fillrate is the reason for performance drops. It could be or it could be due to something else entirely. Something the devs should be able to find out if they looked at GPU profiling in that particular scene.
Pixel fillrate refers to the rate at which a GPU can render the pixels in a second. ROPs (Raster Operations Pipeline) aka Render Output Units is one of the several units in a GPU that is responsible for this job. It processes final pixel values before drawing them to the screen as well as performs pixel read/write tasks. The capability of this unit is measured in gigapixels per second (Gpix/sec). To calculate this, you need to take the amount of ROPs and then multiply it by GPU's clock speed.
PS4 Pro has 64 of them (ROPs) and X1X has 32.
64 x 911 = 58.3
32 x 1172 = 37.5
Fun fact: Sony/Cerny took Polaris GPU with 32 ROPs and decided to add additional 32 ROPs for a total of 64 ROPs for the PS4 Pro (similar to Vega GPUs on PC). X1X launched a year after Pro and still ended up with 32 ROPs, the same amount of ROPs inside a PC's Polaris RX 480/580/590 GPUs.
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Krisprolls
Banned
Clearly, it's intentional on that version.
Ah ah nice find.
Md Ray
Member
StateofMajora
Banned
What say gaf, is this game better than Need for speed most wanted 2012? I enjoyed that on the Wii U.