Twinguistics
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Wait, how is VR just a "TV slapped to your face".
You've never tried VR have you? Lol.
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Do you think it will be possible for Nintendo to ever create a Mario game as groundbreaking as Mario64 was?
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You've never tried VR have you? Lol.
Team Andromeda
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Nope. Team Asboi are so much better these days.
I found Mario Oddesys to be a huge step backwards from Mario Galaxy and even Mario 3D land tbh
I found Mario Oddesys to be a huge step backwards from Mario Galaxy and even Mario 3D land tbh
Marcus Aurelius
Banned
No I played it when it first released and was mind blown back then like everyone else but looking back it's not because the game was so good or special, it was just the first legit 3D platformer.
Nothing special now
I said that on purpose to rile folks up and yes, I haven't.
mxbison
Member
Bullshit. VR has real depth perception that you can't get from a normal screen. You obviously never tried it.
nkarafo
Member
All later 3D Mario games use Mario 64 as the base structure.
I remember seeing pictures of Mario 64 in magazines, with all the different camera angles and views, wondering how the hell this game plays.
nkarafo
Member
Still has better controls and freedom of movement than any 3D platformer ever since.
Fart Knight
Al Pachinko, Konami President
No, because will get New Super Mario Odyssey Remastered on Switch 2.
Marcus Aurelius
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WalterSobchak
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I played and own Atrobot on psvr , the game sucks. I played 4 or 5 levels and dropped it. I don't understand all the praise it gets , and the vr does not add much imo. Feels like you could play without vr and it's about the same.
Now Mario 64 is the GOAT and has yet to be approached imo. Galaxy 1 and 2 are fun , but I hate the tiny levels and just blasting from tiny little planet to tiny little planet. Give me some large levels I can actually explore.
Mario Odyssey was ok but 800 moons is just lame to collect.
All nintendo has to do is make another 3d mario with a hub world design and make the levels decent size , also with 100 to 200 stars or moons to collect. If they do that they may have another game worthy to Mario64.
Now Mario 64 is the GOAT and has yet to be approached imo. Galaxy 1 and 2 are fun , but I hate the tiny levels and just blasting from tiny little planet to tiny little planet. Give me some large levels I can actually explore.
Mario Odyssey was ok but 800 moons is just lame to collect.
All nintendo has to do is make another 3d mario with a hub world design and make the levels decent size , also with 100 to 200 stars or moons to collect. If they do that they may have another game worthy to Mario64.
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Zannegan
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I don't see how, not without a new paradigm shift in gaming, and they seem to have missed their chance with VR if the astrobot evangelists tell no lies. Can't confirm for meself (yet).
Mario 64 was such a pitch perfect realization of what 3D could bring to the table, and on their first try, that it's hard to imagine lightning striking twice for them. One or two later 3D Marios have surpassed it overall, but in the context of its time? It's pretty hard to imagine.
The nearest thing to is seems to be what Half Life Alyx did for VR, though again I can't confirm, not having played it myself.
Mario 64 was such a pitch perfect realization of what 3D could bring to the table, and on their first try, that it's hard to imagine lightning striking twice for them. One or two later 3D Marios have surpassed it overall, but in the context of its time? It's pretty hard to imagine.
The nearest thing to is seems to be what Half Life Alyx did for VR, though again I can't confirm, not having played it myself.
TheContact
Member
No because we are too familiar with 3D games now. Mario 64 was so good, in part, because it was a new environment.
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hemo memo
Gold Member
Pretty much. What Galaxy did is better and more creative than what 64 did back in the day but nostalgia is a hell of a drug.
nkarafo
Member
You can play it with any third party controller on real hardware or a modern controller through emulation, it doesn't change a thing. Still has far better controls and freedom of movement than any 3D platformer after it.Impossible, it's played with this abomination:
nkarafo
Member
Galaxy's design is basically Mario 64 in a different environment. Without Mario 64, Galaxy wouldn't exist.
The Nostalgia argument is often used by younger players who don't like older games because they don't have as flashy graphics.
Marcus Aurelius
Banned
Lol, Mario Odyssey controls much better. Hell every 3D platformer from PS2 performs as good or better than Mario 64, time to put down your nostalgia glasses.
nkarafo
Member
What, you don't have any arguments left so you play the nostalgia card to dismiss mine?
Any pro, speedrun player will tell you this about Mario 64's controls. Mario Odyssey is close but others like 3D World and Galaxy are very limited when it comes to movesets and freedom of movement. Even camera controls are limited, especially in 3D world.
You are just a younger player who cares mostly about graphics.
See how one can easily dismiss your points with a straw man?
PleaseDontBanMe
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I'd argue that Astro Bot on PSVR did that
You read my mind. Astro Bot in VR is an absolute stunner.
Jack Videogames
Gold Member
Mario 64 was the perfect game released at the perfect time. When people thought full 3D was a fad, Nintendo came out with a polygon-perfect platformer that defined the usage of 3D in gaming for generations to come. That's not only a matter of skill, it's also a matter of ingenuity, opportunity and luck.
Since then Nintendo have made better games than Mario 64, but none of them had this impact. In fact, I'd say the only game that came close to make the same waves than Mario 64 did was fucking Wii Sports.
Right now? I'd say Alyx could be the Mario 64 of the VR generation.
Since then Nintendo have made better games than Mario 64, but none of them had this impact. In fact, I'd say the only game that came close to make the same waves than Mario 64 did was fucking Wii Sports.
Right now? I'd say Alyx could be the Mario 64 of the VR generation.
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Shodan09
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Yes iN VR. Astrobot has beaten them to the finish line slightly but I think they could do something different enough to make the jump feel big again.
Kev Kev
Member
VR was that same jaw dropping experience for me. Astro Bot Rescue Mission is basically what OP Is describing. It was amaaaazing. 10/10 one of the best entertainment experiences of my life and the only thing that had felt truly next gen since Mario 64 or playing FF7 on PS back in the day. Simply an amazing game, a mind blowing experience ,l and probably the best platformer I’ve ever played. VR has insane potential and if you’re looking for that next Mario 64 experience but you havent tried out Astro bot rescue mission yet, do it!
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Marcus Aurelius
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Thanks again for confirming you're blinded by nostalgia. I played the game at release and lol at "muh speedrunning"', the controls of Mario 64 have been surpassed a long time ago. Seems you haven't played a platformer since the 90's. Just lol if you still think Mario 64 has some magical controls, hell the N64 pad was garbage back then as it is now, dogsh*t joystick.
LordOfZiquizira
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They already did, it's called Star Fox Zero
fart town usa
Gold Member
I still remember the feeling I got the first time I played it. My older brother's friends dad somehow got a console and Mario 64 a few days prior to release.
It was just simply mind blowing. Couldn't believe what I was seeing/playing. I was probably 11 or so.
OT though: No, Nintendo won't ever replicate it because the jump from SNES to N64 is something we'll never see again. That doesn't mean that Nintendo isn't capable of making a great Mario game, they have been. Also, Mario64 doesn't even crack my top 5 Mario games these days.
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NeoIkaruGAF
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It’s probably impossible, because Mario 64 was kinda the Divine Comedy of the 3D era. It came out of thin air and did something nobody could dream of, right off the bat. Mario 64 was simply unthinkable prior to its release. No other game revolutionized controls, design and 3D movement in such an impeccable way, and on the first try too. While Tomb Raider came out soon after, its controls were still limited compared to what Nintendo did with Mario 64. Just look at what speedrunners can do in that game to realize how advanced it was compared to everything that was available at the time. It’s hard to conceive such a radical departure from the old ways of designing games with the tech we have today.
Then you have to consider that after the 5th gen, almost every other developer stopped trying to compete with Nintendo at their game. SM Galaxy is so completely ridiculous in its quality and polish, nobody even dreamed of trying to emulate it. It’s a masterclass in game design, except there’s no one willing to take up its torch. But it’s not as revolutionary.
Then you have to consider that after the 5th gen, almost every other developer stopped trying to compete with Nintendo at their game. SM Galaxy is so completely ridiculous in its quality and polish, nobody even dreamed of trying to emulate it. It’s a masterclass in game design, except there’s no one willing to take up its torch. But it’s not as revolutionary.
No. They literally made the blueprint for 3D controls/movement/gameplay. It was perfect out the gate, at least within the technical limitations of the day.
They won't ever have that opportunity simply because we'll never have a jump as impactful as 2D>3D again.
OoT was up there too, similar jump and Z-targeting is still being used to this day.
They won't ever have that opportunity simply because we'll never have a jump as impactful as 2D>3D again.
OoT was up there too, similar jump and Z-targeting is still being used to this day.
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BlackTron
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I must agree. Mario 64 was Nintendo at the very top of their game. They managed to follow it up with a fine stable of first party games too (Zelda, Star Fox, Wave Race). I haven't been consistently happy with Nintendo's first party output since 64.
Forget Nintendo ever making something as groundbreaking as Mario 64 ever again...I don't think it will ever happen by anyone, period. The context and timing of its release was critical. This was also the last time N did things "the right way" launching the system with the Mario game instead of some New Mario Bros. or Luigi's Mansion "please understand" nonsense...I miss old Nintendo.
Plot twist: Sega releases a new system with a new Sonic game that redefines EVERYTHING in a way we can't even conceive of right now. Please universe.
tassletine
Member
Yes, if they manage to leverage AR in a cool way. If there is a way to get great gameplay from Mario interacting with real life objects then I think it's achievable. Having him running around your living room would be cool.
It'll probably not impress me though as I'm too old.
It'll probably not impress me though as I'm too old.
nkarafo
Member
So... If i haven't played the game at release and my only information comes from the speedrunning community, like you claim in this masterpiece of a post, then... how am i blinded by nostalgia?
Anyway, i played every single Mario game at release and i still enjoy controlling the character in Mario 64 way more. The others feel limiting. Nothing magical, it's just that can see past flashy graphics.
Markio128
Member
I doubt it, unless Nintendo get involved in VR and release the then inevitable Mario VR. Even then, Sony has already beats them to the punch with Astrobot. Mario 64 was as close to a magical experience with a game that you could get at that time and I very much doubt that feeling will be replicated.
rodrigolfp
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Maybe a 4D+ Mario...
teezzy
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Marcus Aurelius
Banned
I never said you didn't play the game at release but you did bring up speedrunning, implying that's a legit argument why Mario 64's controls are somehow still the best and to this day unsurpassed. You're the one making absurd claims based on nothing but your opinion.So... If i haven't played the game at release and my only information comes from the speedrunning community, like you claim in this masterpiece of a post, then... how am i blinded by nostalgia?
Anyway, i played every single Mario game at release and i still enjoy controlling the character in Mario 64 way more. The others feel limiting. Nothing magical, it's just that can see past flashy graphics.
Oh and mario 64 was also hyped back in the day for its graphics...
Reality Czar
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Yes. Nintendo's first holographic video game system will come with Super Mario Universe. It will revolutionize 4D gameplay the way Nintendo revolutionized 3D.
Also Michael Jordan was never special, it seemed that way because of his dunks from the free throw line.
Also Michael Jordan was never special, it seemed that way because of his dunks from the free throw line.
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S0ULZB0URNE
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Every time a Mario is announced I hope for this only to be letdown.
So it's looking unlikely.
At least Zelda still produces.
So it's looking unlikely.
At least Zelda still produces.
Trogdor1123
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Mario 64 is still the best 3d Mario. The others are all pretty good too but Mario 64 was just awesome.
Animagic
Banned
Once Miyamoto and the rest of the old guard leave, absolutely. Bless them, but they are holding true innovation in their software design back.
I'm bracing for Breath of the Wild 2 to be filled with typical Aonuma garbage.
It's not hard to imagine that he has completely missed why Breath of the Wild was so successful.
Dee Dah Dave
Member
Yeah I think one day when VR becomes viable they will school everyone. I think VR and some good new motion controls is the perfect match for Nintendo and their creativity.
nkarafo
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Reality Czar
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There were 3D games before Mario 64, it was just that Nintendo did such a good job with presentation, game design, camera, controls, etc. You do not have to be the first to do something to make an impact. You simply have to do it really well.
VR is good but it is not seamless, there is still a ways to go technologically. I feel like a glassless VR or AR experience with new holographic or projection technology developed in 10 or so years would be a game changer. Nintendo have already dipped their toes into VR with the BOTW/SMO/Toad's Treasure Tracker Labo VR stuff. Plus they even released a VR console already decades before that! Clearly the company always has it in consideration.
What if there was a Mario where the game projected all around you and you effectively had a glassless VR experience? There is no telling where tech will go.
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