You have grown ass people (I assume?) derailing a thread with fat jokes about a fictional character because they are mad she isn't as hot as they want her to be."oh look at me, i'm so adult and grown-up, even my avatar is all serious and shit which proves i'm totally mature"
Most game characters are near flawless. Could it be done better? Sure. But I don’t think it detracts as much as it does in movies.who cares. I don't try and determine if Nathan Drake is the male equivalent of a Mary Sue, I just play the game.
you can't derail something that has no rails in the first placeYou have grown ass people (I assume?) derailing a thread with fat jokes about a fictional character because they are mad she isn't as hot as they want her to be.
If you don't consider that childish behavior then idk what to tell you.
First of all, I'm not the one overly concerned as to if Aloy is a perfect character or not. There is a difference between nitpicking about what a character or like Aloy or Kratos, or Jin Sakai, does in the game itself and their overall themes. I agree with the themes in today's games. The theme of the danger of over-reliance on technology was one the best things about Horizon's narrative. I'm not arguing anything like that. The point I am making if you're playing a game that has you fighting robot dinosaurs, or mythic beasts like in God of War, an invading army of Mongols like in Ghost of Tsushima, hell you better be perfect because of those not normal circumstances. That's my point.Story telling through gaming has become a lot more serious(God of War, Ghost of Tsushima, TLOU1/2). To be taken more serious stories do require a certain level believability, i.e. having characters behaving logically consistant in the world that's set up.
I'd doubt you'd wouldn't scratch your head if any of the protagonists in aforementioned games could suddenly fly in one instance and it never gets brought up again in the rest of the game.
You can leave reality at the door, doens't mean you always have to turn your brain off and swallow whatever games throw your way.
With your attitude, how would you differentiate between levels of story/character writing? If you don't care about game stories, that's a different subject. Games with bad stories can still be enjoyable enough to play just as badly written movies can still be enjoyable to watch.
Master Chief can´t aim at his targets without 2 aim assists helping him. Giant flaw.Master Chief?
Give it a rest. People are just having fun.You have grown ass people (I assume?) derailing a thread with fat jokes about a fictional character because they are mad she isn't as hot as they want her to be.
If you don't consider that childish behavior then idk what to tell you.
Does Mary Sue include looks? I thought it was mainly about being to achieve things that aren't earned like having skill sets in settings where those skills wouldn't make sense to have, let alone properly learned. Like Rey understanding Wooky or being able to repair and fly ships coming from a background of scavaging parts to survive on a desert planet.Jesus Christ. No, she’s not a Mary Sue despite your grand attempts to prove she is. Mary Sues are flawless by definition. Aloy’s fat cheeks and mannish features are flaws. Nice try, OP.
Master Chief can´t aim at his targets without 2 aim assists helping him. Giant flaw.
Master Chief can´t aim at his targets without 2 aim assists helping him. Giant flaw.
There is nothing wrong with "mary sue" type characters if its done well, for example:
Nausicaä is also very "mary sue" both in the movie and manga but unlike Alloy, Nausicaä is faaar from being dry character.
I watched it and LOVED it but I never will rewatch it again because my heart just can’t take it.I will never watch grave of the fireflies movie
I wish I had some of this worst social skills if that would mean banging her:Superman archetype is a "thick as a brick" male archetype trope. Link and Mario are examples of this. They excel at action but their social skills are simply the worst. LMAO.
Did he bang her tho?I wish I had some of this worst social skills if that would mean banging her:
No? Than that is fail...Did he bang her tho?
No? Than that is fail...
Whooooosh!Does Mary Sue include looks? I thought it was mainly about being to achieve things that aren't earned like having skill sets in settings where those skills wouldn't make sense to have, let alone properly learned. Like Rey understanding Wooky or being able to repair and fly ships coming from a background of scavaging parts to survive on a desert planet.
I haven't played HZD so I'm not particularly invested how good Aloy is writting as a character.First of all, I'm not the one overly concerned as to if Aloy is a perfect character or not. There is a difference between nitpicking about what a character or like Aloy or Kratos, or Jin Sakai, does in the game itself and their overall themes. I agree with the themes in today's games. The theme of the danger of over-reliance on technology was one the best things about Horizon's narrative. I'm not arguing anything like that. The point I am making if you're playing a game that has you fighting robot dinosaurs, or mythic beasts like in God of War, an invading army of Mongols like in Ghost of Tsushima, hell you better be perfect because of those not normal circumstances. That's my point.
Lois too?Superman the OG simp.
Lois too?
Funny how there is no derogatory name for a male character that shows no weaknesses.
Well that is what I am trying to do, give some counterpoints to the OP. Particularly when it comes to this character where literally points out her flaws later in the game.I haven't played HZD so I'm not particularly invested how good Aloy is writting as a character.
OP brought up some points why she may be a Mary Sue and I see a lot of people brushing it off rather than giving counter-arguments why she isn't which is the part of this topic that interests me.
Videogame characters usually are exceptional fighters to pul off what they do, they can still have character flaws, intentionally written or not. It's often those character flaws that make things interesting and memorable. Mary Sues tend to be boring and unrelatable.
Other than the male version of mary sue.....gary stu.
People seem to be feeling attacked but alot of videogame protagonists are actually sue/stu.
Basically not that many people want to play a character with a shit ton of flaws who is wrong.
Because, if the character is wrong, the last 2+ hours of my gameplay has been for naught because my dumb ass character is wrong?
No, rather nobody listened to my character than this bitch have wasted my time.
A melting pot of coomers, ex-channers settling into a new home, disgruntled ex-era members, conspiracy theorists, and people who haven't stepped outside in a while.What's happening to this forum?
TBH that would make a great rpg. You start off as a character that just mumbles and no one listens to, to one that can who can change things with a few words here and there. I would play that.
Other than the male version of mary sue.....gary stu.
People seem to be feeling attacked but alot of videogame protagonists are actually sue/stu.
Basically not that many people want to play a character with a shit ton of flaws who is wrong.
Because, if the character is wrong, the last 2+ hours of my gameplay has been for naught because my dumb ass character is wrong?
No, rather nobody listened to my character than this bitch have wasted my time.
Got your moral grandstanding out of the way for today? There's a Jim Sterling thread if you want to go defend their honor and tell everyone else how horrible they are.You have grown ass people (I assume?) derailing a thread with fat jokes about a fictional character because they are mad she isn't as hot as they want her to be.
If you don't consider that childish behavior then idk what to tell you.
Because he gets his ass whooped by Nadine several times.I've never heard anyone use Gary Stu in my life. Just checked, no GAF thread about Nathan Drake being a Gary Stu on record.
I've never heard anyone use Gary Stu in my life. Just checked, no GAF thread about Nathan Drake being a Gary Stu on record.
Nathan Drake comes across as an idiot half the times and gets tons of help from his sidekicks to get him out of tough spots. He is no gary Stu. I don't think you fully understand what the term means.I've never heard anyone use Gary Stu in my life. Just checked, no GAF thread about Nathan Drake being a Gary Stu on record.
Aloy is as good as you are. So that makes you the Mary Sue
Pretty much every action hero you know whether its video games, tv or movies is a Gary Stu with some trivial problem to not be too perfect (e.g Is divorced, wife is dead, lost job even if hes the best at it...etc etc)
We are just much more accepting of it because well of course the Rock can punch a Torpedo designed to take down near city sized ships and win the fight.
If Lara Croft punch a dude and he is knocked out we call bullshit.
No way a woman could actually be good at anything.