1. If that is the case Sylens would not have repeatedly checked her on her whining and complaining. Again she's not perfect and nowhere was that implied.
2. Apparently not Teb, as well as others like Karst people who run shops things like that.
3. No it doesn't. It's called the high road. Remember the scene where Sylens said Elizabet was better than those around her. This is Aloy doing the same, not be bitter by being shunned but doing her part to help in spite of it. A line literally said later with "Aloy despite the Nora" It's what any of us would have to do to function in this society. Rise above it all and be productive.
4. When she told him she would like to show him some of the things she saw. She doesn't make the same offer to anyone else.
5. Are you really comparing the writing from a video game to George RR Martin? I'd bet dollars to donuts that the first thing Guerilla said and coming up with the game is, you know what would be cool if we made a game about robot dinosaurs, not whether or not the main protagonist is a perfect unstoppable badass.
Checking and whining? From what I saw she gets as many potshots at him as he on her. The point is her character 'flaw' doesn't have a role in the story.
2. I don't understand your phrasing.
3. While i definitely get the high road message and think its one of the messages in the story, it comes too easily to her. She doesn't struggle with it at all, whereas in a well written story
taking the high road should be the main point of exploration in a story like this. It was a tremendous oppourtunity for character development and they just brushed it to the sidelines in this game and she deals with the challenge perfectly with no effort.
4. I can't say I would interpret that as hitting on him. She demonstrates no other instances of liking him more than other characters.
5. Are you implying no game stories had good writing ever? That is wrong on so many levels. Look at red dead redemption 2. Look at half dozen final fantasy games. Look at RPGs like baldur's gate and planescape. Its possible to be a badass character that has to deal with extreme threats and still have to go through character development and be like a normal person.
a Mary Sue or a Chuck Norris annoy me, but Aloy isn't one. she has been trained since childhood and here intelligence is actually part of the story. as in all fantastic fiction you need to go along a bit. although sometimes writers make the suspension of disbelief difficult like with The Last of Us2 and the new Star Wars trilogy.
Everybody in this world trains since childhood from what I understand in the story. Its what it means to be a Nora Brave. Intelligence being part of the story is mary suish, but this can be offset by other deficiencies, or by challenging her intelligence in meaningful ways, and the game fails at both imo.
Or in other words she is a typical player hero character.
- main interest off story
- main interest of NPCs be they friend or foe
- morally good
- easily relatable
That's the thing she wasn't relatable for me.
It's turning into pure shit. That's what's happening. I've literally never heard of a male character in ANY medium considered a "Mary Sue" or the male equivalent in my life. These type of questions are sexist in nature and purely made to either get strong women characters out of the gaming and movies or to convince nerds and virgin men that women are stealing all of our "awesome" strong male characters.
Grats on the most out of touch, delusional post in the thread. You are too far gone you'd need a year of therapy to get you back in touch with reality. Not even gonna bother. There are much better examples of strong women characters. Aloy isn't one imo. That you even perceived my post as an attack on feminism shows how profoundly insecure you are politically.
Forget it OP, these guys don't understand character development or what makes a good character in general, let alone what a Mary Sue is (and how looked down upon it used to be).
But for those excusing it because "It's a videogame"...why are you acting like compelling story and character aren't a part of videogames? Why do videogames not qualify for good writing? A Mary Sue is the laziest, sleaziest, incel (or feministic) driven creation in the world of fiction. It's just amazing how many of you are acting ignorant and jumping to mockery...
At the time of this post poll results show more than half of gaf agreeing with me. A majority of the disagreeing voters simply disagree with me and probably gave my argument a fair shake if the disagreeing posts here are any indication.
As for the ones saying 'its only a game' they just need to get their standards upgraded/play better games with better writing to understand my point of view. I recommend Japanese games these days, as the west is dropping the ball hard imo. Red dead redemption 2 will probably be the last game of its kind in a long time. More casual level of gamers have a place in Gaf too I guess, and their opinions will be present here but can be ignored as long as resident community of gamers voice their opinions as well.
If anything this thread proves Gaf is still a high quality community, perhaps the only one on the internet of its kind, and is worth discussing things and sharing your views with. The ones whining about perceived attacks on feminism and 'strong women' are very much an extreme minority here, and will continue to be, as long as we don't take too many reeejects back.
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