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[BattleScar]

In this thread. People who are angry that people who either cannot afford or have otherwise been unable to acquire the PS5, get to play what will be a neutered version of a game that they can play and enjoy.
The absolute scenes.

 

[Kilau]

Xbox took away their timed exclusives so they had to hit their own console owners with them.

 

[Crimson_Fate]

Generations don't exist... Any game can be made for any platform , only the way the game looks and plays will be different.

If you can't bring the masses to the games (console shortage) then bring the games to the masses.

 

[Andodalf]

Why are you people okay with Sony lying about a game only being possible on next gen hardware, again?


That’s the issue. Stop making fun of current ps5 owners, this is Sony being shitty as hell. Stop Defense forcing them for cucking you

 

[Shifty1897]

Lol, it's Resogun all over again.

"The PS3 can't handle voxels, it can only run on PS4!"

One year later:
"We lied, here's Resogun on PS3 and Vita."

 

[nightmare-slain]

Pleeeeeease! This is the only game I’d buy on PS5. let me play it on PS4 (or even better…PC) so I don’t need to waste money on a PS5.

 

[Hezekiah]

Why are you people okay with Sony lying about a game only being possible on next gen hardware, again?


That’s the issue. Stop making fun of current ps5 owners, this is Sony being shitty as hell. Stop Defense forcing them for cucking you

All this from a rumour.

How bitter can you get.

 

[Pull n Pray]

Never got this argument. Do you feel duped when buying a 3070 because a 1060 can play the same games?

The graphics card comparison is valid when people say, "What is the point for upgrading to a new console if it doesn't have any exclusives?"

But GPU manufacturers never try to convince their consumers that there will be games that only their graphics card can play. This is the first generation were Microsoft and Sony adopted a cross gen approach. In the past, the old consoles were immediately abandoned by Sony and MS for almost all first party games. Microsoft was transparent about the new approach, and Sony allowed their fans to believe it would be business as usual.

 

[Hugare]

it's not. it is for the version they made on PS5, but not in order to do the stuff they do in the game. you can always simplify assets in order to fit into ram or load relatively fast from a slower drive.

as an example (an extreme one but still), Super Mario 3D World on Wii U was designed in a way that almost all the important assets of the game would fit into the Wii U's RAM pool at once. this meant that the game, once you are in the world map, has almost zero loading times. in fact, they needed to artificially slow down level transitions in order to give players time to join/leave the party and choose their character. and even with that artificial slowing down, you are in a level within less than 4 seconds, loading FROM A BLURAY DISC!

Mario Galaxy on Wii loads also in about 3 seconds into a level, sometimes faster. if you want fast loading you can have it, if you actually tailor your game towards it. and it doesn't matter how slow your storage medium is. the Wii can load 8MB as second...

fast transitions are not impossible on a slow harddrive, the issue is that they would need to optimize the assets in order to work on the slower drive.
all you have to do is size assets accordingly, maybe try and reuse as much as possible between levels and if your CPU sucks (which is the case for the PS4) then having as much of them uncompressed as possible is key

edit: an example of a modern game,
here's a clip of someone fast traveling in Doom Eternal level in about 2 seconds on a PS4 (On One X this is even faster):

No, its not for the "version" they made on the PS5.

Its impossible for the game that they have designed and built for the PS5.

Dont use games from 2-3 generations ago as examples, dude, c'mon. They didnt do what R&C is doing, not even close, and the comparisson is embarassing.

Thats like saying that Minecraft has better destruction than Battlefield. You are not taking into consideration thr HUGE differences in complexity between these games.

No amount of asset optimization would make those whole levels from R&C fit into PS4's RAM in order for them to load instantly. Focus on instantly.

I'll trust DF on this one when they say that the game is doing something never done before

 

[reinking]

Why are you people okay with Sony lying about a game only being possible on next gen hardware, again?


That’s the issue. Stop making fun of current ps5 owners, this is Sony being shitty as hell. Stop Defense forcing them for cucking you

Because If the game comes out on PS4 the PS5 version doesn't suddenly get downgraded? This is not the same thing as a cross gen game being created for both consoles at the same time. This game was created for the PS5 and it will not run in the same fidelity if they manage to downscale it to the PS4.

 

[Mike Zhang]

Why are you people okay with Sony lying about a game only being possible on next gen hardware, again?


That’s the issue. Stop making fun of current ps5 owners, this is Sony being shitty as hell. Stop Defense forcing them for cucking you

I wont buy a ps5, so they cannot make fun of me

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

Some pretty iffy takes over on ERA about this:

User: May

They most likely did some prototyping and early pre-production on PS4 kits because they had them laying around at a time where Sony may not have finalized the PS5 devkits yet.

A forming opinion over there, except there's one small problem; if the game were being made on PS4 devkits because PS5 ones weren't ready, why did a PUBLIC ADVERTISMENENT FOR THE RETAIL GAME have "other consoles (i.e PS4) and PC" listed under the title?

That doesn't sound indicative of a project that was merely using older hardware to work on before the target hardware was ready. I mean, these are verified people putting the idea out there, but they've not once thought it out to its logical conclusion. By that metric, if the following opinion from another user (whom I actually agree with here) is accurate:

User: 2Blackcats

I'd say all PS5 games started as PS4 games until the development suite was up to spec

which very likely is, as it's something backed up by the relatively smooth timing of several 1P releases on PS5 plus several industry people suggesting as such...then why didn't:

-Astro's Playroom​

-Returnal​

-Rachet & Clank: Rift Apart​

...have a similar disclaimer on their respective advert trailers when they were revealed with release dates to the public. Oh yeah, because there weren't plans for them to come to PS4 or PC that slipped ahead of time, like with GT7 (well, for PS4) and seemingly might've been the case with Demon's Souls Remake as well.

Again, I don't think Sony or Microsoft or whoever having some extended cross-gen support, particularly during things as they've been the past year or two, is a bad thing. It also acts as a blanket of financial security and by and large, games in the first 1 or 2 years of a new console aren't gonna have a lot of game design concepts that the previous gen can't handle.

However, I do have a problem with marketing/advertisement tricks and deceit, and an even bigger problem with "games media" who suddenly change their tune on something like cross-gen when someone other than a particular platform holder is seemingly doing it at a wider scale.

People want to talk about ethics in journalism, the double standards from the media in how they've handled the topic of cross-gen between two platform holders is as prime an example you could ask for.

 

[itsjustJEFF]

Never got this argument. Do you feel duped when buying a 3070 because a 1060 can play the same games?

Personally never got it either. I don't know how, or why, your enjoyment of a game is tied so closely to how many other ppl got to play it. It come out on PS5, it looked fucking great. Now it may come to PS4, it won't look anywhere as good as it did on your PS5... and this some how hurts your butt hole?!?! It really must be a console gamer thing. 3090 owners must be real mad that these peasant cards are able to play the same games. It played best on the console you have, it looks best on the console you have... not enough?

If BluePoint can pair the game down to work on the older-gen console, why not? I don't understand this. Like it's going to a PS4, you have a PS5... the ppl with PS4's aren't your enemy.

 

[THE DUCK]

But I thought gaf "game development experts" have declared that games are build from the low end port up, not from top down, so this is completely impossible, lol. Next gen ruined!

Seriously, you could do ratchet and clank too, take out certain scenes, remove the instant Portales and replace with grapling for the most part. Wouldn't look as good but wouldn't be that hard.

 

[itsjustJEFF]

I wonder if people impressed with the visuals until now will suddenly be angry.

I can feel the posts being typed up right now the console war warriors are sharpening their key strokes right now. I'm sure this will be spun into some kind of "cross-gen" thing.

 

[caffeware]

Hopefully FF 16 comes to the ps4

 

[Andodalf]

Personally never got it either. I don't know how, or why, your enjoyment of a game is tied so closely to how many other ppl got to play it. It come out on PS5, it looked fucking great. Now it may come to PS4, it won't look anywhere as good as it did on your PS5... and this some how hurts your butt hole?!?! It really much be a console gamer thing. 3090 owners must be real mad that these peasant cards are able to play the same games. It played best on the console you have, it looks best on the console you have... not enough?

If BluePoint can pair the game down to work on the older-gen console, why not? I don't understand this. Like it's going to a PS4, you have a PS5... the ppl with PS4's aren't your enemy.

Its the fact that Sony lied. Do you just not care if someone lies to your face?

 

[MasterCornholio]

No amount of asset optimization would make those whole levels from R&C fit into PS4's RAM in order for them to load instantly. Focus on instantly.

Not even whole levels. The developers said that they don't have to load the whole level into memory due to how efficient the I/O is. On the PS4 they needed to load the entire level instead of streaming it in chunks. To transfer what Ratchet is doing on the PS5 to the PS4 would require a complete redesign of the game.

 

[K' Dash]

Why do people keep forgetting about the PS3 version?

As for if it's possible on the PS4 I believe it is since it was possible on the PS3. But there would be some pretty big downgrades in order for it to work on the platform.

I'm not mad that they focused on the PS5 version for this game since the game takes advantage of the hardware quite well.

Uhh, why did you post two PS3 screenshots?

 

[itsjustJEFF]

Its the fact that Sony lied. Do you just not care if someone lies to your face?

Do you hate it that much when others get to play a great game? It was exclusive... no one without a PS5 has been able to play this since launch. I personal don't understand why you guys take this kind of shit so seriously. Basically for ppl like you it doesn't matter when it happens, just that it happens. It could be years later, like Horizon, and you guys would still be mad. Get over it. I had my time with the game, it was great.

Go watch the first gameplay demo, watch till the end the fine print reads "Not available on other consoles for a limited time. Also available on PC" They said that it was a typo... I don't think so. This is game is also coming to PC. I have no problem with it, none what-so-ever. The PC bro's in here are gonna love the game.

 

[ULTROS!]

Honestly, I reaaaally doubt R&C: A Rift in Time will be coming to PS4. If it does, I’d expect a lot loading times when you switch between worlds (there’s a part where there’s constant switching). PS5 switches worlds/places instantaneously.

 

[Andodalf]

Do you hate it that much when other gets to play a great game? It was exclusive... no one without a PS5 has been able to play this since launch. I personal don't understand why you guys take this kind of shit so seriously. Basically for ppl like you it doesn't matter when it happens, just that it happens. It could be years later, like Horizon, and you guys would still be mad. Get over it. I had my time with the game, it was great.

Go watch the first gameplay demo, watch till the end the fine print reads "Not available on other consoles for a limited time. Also available on PC" They said that it was a typo... I don't think so. This is game is also coming to PC. I have no problem with it, none what-so-ever. The PC bro's in there are gonna love the game.

That’s such an amazing argument against so many thing I never said!



Actually it’s shit against those too.



Sony lied. Why is that okay? Replying to anything other than that for the third time is just blatant trolling.


If you wanna white night for pa4 players, why isn’t it scummy as hell to lie to them and hold the game back a year for no reason. FOH

 

[MasterCornholio]

Uhh, why did you post two PS3 screenshots?

I did?

 

[demonstr8]

Where is the listing? I don't see a link to anything in the tweet.
Also, how rock solid is the evidence of a listing in regards to the game definitely existing or being released?
Do we have any past examples of a database listing pre-emptively spoiling the release of an unknown game?
Just curious about whether this is good evidence or not.

 

[itsjustJEFF]

That’s such an amazing argument against so many thing I never said!



Actually it’s shit against those too.



Sony lied. Why is that okay? Replying to anything other than that for the third time is just blatant trolling.


If you wanna white night for pa4 players, why isn’t it scummy as hell to lie to them and hold the game back a year for no reason. FOH

They showed it to you in fine print. They just weren't ready to do so at the time. I'm in advertising and business, thats what businesses do. They do double speak, write fine print, are petty, and vengeful. I don't live in a fantasy world where corporations don't do this. If it really matters to you that much cause you feel lied to, like your purchase was diminished... go ask for your money back. If this is real, which it could be, you may have a case. Go sell your PS5. And like I said, the time frame doesn't matter to you guys. It could be a year from launch it could be 8 years... yall want exclusive to last forever, but sorry man... business gotta business $$$

 

[base]

Wonder how the PS4 will handle all that ray-tracing goodness.

Seriously, I’m starting to feel duped in buying a PS5 with all of these titles going to the PS4 now. I’m fully expecting a Returnal and Ratchet and Clank SKU to show up for the PS4 by this holiday…at which point I’ll be asking what was the point of this whole PS5 console releasing in 2020?

You sure? Ps4 won't get anything, not evrn 60fps. Forget about RT.

 

[THEAP99]

Honestly, demon's souls could probably very easily run on ps4.

That being said, just another sleezy move by the regime to pull some shit like this

 

[Shmunter]

Classic….

Sony and the double dip/triple dip. PS5 is the best place to play our games at ‘launch’

 

[01011001]

You sure? Ps4 won't get anything, not evrn 60fps. Forget about RT.

well the PS5 also has no raytracing in Demon's Souls, that was a lie an oopsy by Sony

 

[ksdixon]

Well,they did back-port Resogun to the Vita and PS3...

Is all this really smart though? I have a PS5 but am looking down the barrel as financial issues. The sheer volume of cross gen stuff is doing nothing to make me feel the need to keep hold of the PS5, and the logical part of my brain says to sell it to help with finances and just play cross gen stuff on PS4.

That should be the exact opposite of what Sony should be looking to accomplish. And I hate cross-gen with a passion out of sheer principle of holding back current gen... so for me to be thinking along these lines, Sony done fucked it up.

 

[jonnyp]

Sales were bad most likely.

The user base is still low on next gen consoles so that shouldn't surprise anyone.

 

[[Sigma]]

Jim and Hermen are such whores.

 

[01011001]

No, its not for the "version" they made on the PS5.

Its impossible for the game that they have designed and built for the PS5.

Dont use games from 2-3 generations ago as examples, dude, c'mon. They didnt do what R&C is doing, not even close, and the comparisson is embarassing.

Thats like saying that Minecraft has better destruction than Battlefield. You are not taking into consideration thr HUGE differences in complexity between these games.

No amount of asset optimization would make those whole levels from R&C fit into PS4's RAM in order for them to load instantly. Focus on instantly.

I'll trust DF on this one when they say that the game is doing something never done before

so you are saying it is not comparable to how Doom Eternal, a very good looking last gen game, can literally teleport the player from the end of a level to the beginning in less than 3 seconds, where a whole new set of textures and objects need to be loaded in?
why is that?
of course it's possible, we don't even know how much ram the game uses in each and every moment, and we also don't know how much data has to be loaded in each of the dimension shifts. and these are assets made to look good at 4K as well.

size the assets down so they still look good at 1080p (which could mean 1/4 texture res in the worst case), remove some unneeded background detail to make additional room and so that less stuff has to be loaded, and in that one instance where it is actually gameplay relevant (meaning the transition has to be faster than 3sec) try to reuse as many of the assets as possible (that's how Titanfall 2 managed to do it) which should be doable as it is the same planet in 2 different dimensions.

saying a port is impossible while not knowing the details on how much the game actually has to load, or has in ram or how scalable the assets are is very presumptuous
I can totally see it being done... it might not be as impressive when in some of the setpiece moments it takes you 5 seconds longer to load the new dimension, or if switching dimensions on that one planet is not 0.5 seconds but like 2 seconds... but the game would still work. and saying a port of anything is impossible nowadays, when we saw crazy ambitious ports back in the day, during times where hardware was way more specialized and limited? that's crazy presumptuous.

 

[iHaunter]

Would not be happy about this at all

Literally why?

 

[Aguero9320]

Technically it seems Sony originally told the truth when they said it was coming to other consoles and PC... Then they lied when there was a backlash. Weird strategy, given the truth was bound to come out eventually (because the original slide was what was going to happen and they knew it) - seems like short term gain? Or even disdain?

Regardless, would be happy to see more games available to more gamers if the rumours are correct. Everyone's a winner except the diehard fanboys.

 

[CamHostage]

Why are you people okay with Sony lying about a game only being possible on next gen hardware, again?

This is something Sony said where?

 

[Kumomeme]

plot twist:


the PS4 version merely remastered of the original's PS3 game.

 

[Trogdor1123]

Literally why?

I already responded, it is in the thread.

 

[A Most Virtuous Cat]

Never got this argument. Do you feel duped when buying a 3070 because a 1060 can play the same games?

Yes but nVidia never says "WE BELIEVE IN GENERATIONS".

 

[Moses85]

Pleeeeeease! This is the only game I’d buy on PS5. let me play it on PS4 (or even better…PC) so I don’t need to waste money on a PS5.

PS5 will never be a waste of money...

 

[Nickolaidas]

Or they finished it then and it’s sat on a HDD in Sony HQ for a year

Alongside the Steam version.

 

[UnNamed]

Demon's Souls has always remembered a game initially developed for PS4, no wonder they can do an easy port now.

 

[nightmare-slain]

PS5 will never be a waste of money...

Why would I pay £450 for a PS5 to play just one game? So yeah that is definitely a waste of money. I’d be better just buying a cheap old PS3 and playing the original game. There are no other games that I want on PS5. Well there is Forbidden West but I will get that on my PS4.

 

[Carter Burke]

WTF Jim Ryan?
Why then I bought a PS5?
This is a fucking shit.

 

[LMJ]

Its the fact that Sony lied. Do you just not care if someone lies to your face?

Lets assume this is true and not a typo etc

How did Sony lie, it IS (at this point anyway) still a PS5 exclusive and this downport (it absolutely would be folks) won't affect the PS5 version at all.

GOW Ragnorok and HZD FW were likely PS4 projects WELL before the PS5 hardware was near finalization, so they make sense.

 

[Three]

All this from a rumour.

How bitter can you get.

Exactly, according to Jeff Grubb Demon's souls was even coming to xbox which was utter bull but people spread that rumour nontheless.

I can see it being ported to PS4. Its not out of the realm of possibility with long load times, half framerate and some missing effects but really people need to stop with the hyperbole trying to stir up controversy at the slightest thing.

Why are you people okay with Sony lying about a game only being possible on next gen hardware, again?


That’s the issue. Stop making fun of current ps5 owners, this is Sony being shitty as hell. Stop Defense forcing them for cucking you

Lol all the xbox fans say it's a PS3 game anyway. Let it go.

 

[skneogaf]

Anyone that is somehow unhappy that it would go to ps4 because they have it on ps5 are people that I just can't understand. How would it, could it affect you? It would be 30fps and at tops 1080p and will likely have frame pacing issues like bloodborne.

I don't believe pc, nintendo or xbox fanatics would be as angry and annoyed as some have shown themselves to be that previous generation console owners get to enjoy a reduced quality version of something you have somehow luckily been able to get hold of.

How spoilt do have to be to be against something like this?

 

[Esppiral]

Another one?

 

[xrnzaaas]

Why would I pay £450 for a PS5 to play just one game? So yeah that is definitely a waste of money. I’d be better just buying a cheap old PS3 and playing the original game. There are no other games that I want on PS5. Well there is Forbidden West but I will get that on my PS4.

In my opinion PS5 is still a very good purchase, because you get a lot more powerful console than a PS4 for A LOT less than it would cost to build a decent gaming PC right now. Even if there aren't many exclusives you can still play last-gen & multiplatform games in better quality.

 

[KormaChameleon]

The PS4 base could more than likely run it. Lower resolution, more than likely 30fps and less pretty particle effects. Pro, more than likely 1080p resolution and maybe unlocked frame rate.