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Mark Cerny reveals the M.2 SSD he bought for his PS5
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Rocco Schiavone
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Ah you're into smuggling I seeGot the SN850 2TB for 345€.
Lowest I found is 529€
DarkMage619
$MSFT
I see so it's cost that is the biggest complaint about the different directions for storage. Currently what is the delta in cost for a TB of storage? How large do you think that delta will be over the course of the generation?
I also see you saying that the PS5 solution isn't difficult. While it isn't the most difficult thing to do it is clearly more difficult than on Xbox. It also doesn't appear to have the ability to be removed and used to transfer games to a friend's device or another device within your home unless I am mistaken. That may be another reason why that direction was chosen.
No there not, by not going proprietary that makes storage solutions more affordable for consumers. Which mean Consumers can purchase larger capacity SSD drives at cheaper prices overtime. Which means consumers can PURCHASE more digital content from the PSN Store which is were Sony make the bulk of there money. Digital Sales, Not hardware sales is whats important, in a year and a half Microsoft will find themselves in a situation similar to PS Vita and they cant do anything about it.
Open Market > Proprietary.
kingkaiser
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€345 is the price on amazon.de for the SN850 2TB WITHOUT a heatsink. With heatsink price jumps to €496. It's hilarious.Ah you're into smuggling I see
Lowest I found is 529€
M1chl
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Really good drive, having that for PC...since I always seems to run out of storage....and it's fast and chill. Far better than first gen4 drives. Which i early adopted...Got the SN850 2TB for 345€.
Ezquimacore
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What a mess of a console
MasterCornholio
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Because the update took a while or it's difficult to install the NVME?
Darklor01
Might need to stop sniffing glue
Don't feed the trolls
Topher
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PS5 expansion costs are going to be determined by competition in the market. Xbox expansion will be licensed products and that has always cost more. Look at Nintendo branded microSD which isn't even proprietary. If Xbox proprietary storage stays in line with non-proprietary in the coming years then that will be surprisingly great.
So yeah, there are pros and cons for each. Xbox is easier and more portable. PS5 is not difficult but not as easy as Xbox. I don't know why a PS5 SSD couldn't be used in another console for the few who will actually do that. Most people are going to plug it in and never take it out. But sure....put that as a pro for Xbox either way.
Let's be clear. None of this is a gotcha issue either way. If Xbox expansion remains expensive then people who don't want that option can always choose cold storage. But I personally do not believe proprietary options are pro consumer.
DarkMage619
$MSFT
I largely agree but I'd say neither is particularly pro consumer. Both have pros and cons as you've mentioned. If you are a fan of the PlayStation you like their direction if you like Xbox you prefer theirs. Just another console war bullet point.
Topher
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MasterCornholio
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I like being able to choose from a large selection of NVMEs instead of being stuck with one expensive option.
But that's just me.
Edit: Just to give you an example. The drive that I'm looking at is 100$. I don't have that option with the Series drive but I will admit that it's more convenient. Not worth the extra 100$+ dollars though in my opinion.
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AmuroChan
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I didn't say proprietary. I just said a regular NVMe SSD with a PS logo on it. One that Sony has tested and can endorse will work well with the PS5.
Bo_Hazem
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Your comment on twitter made you a laughing stock there. Trying to be edgy doesn't always work well, mate.
dcmk7
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Competition amongst SSD vendors will ultimately bring down prices. Not to mention it will bring more options for consumers.
Don't understand how anyone would be arguing it's not pro consumer though. Having options is a good for everyone, wish there were options for some other consoles. But that's another story.
Don't understand how anyone would be arguing it's not pro consumer though. Having options is a good for everyone, wish there were options for some other consoles. But that's another story.
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Darklor01
Might need to stop sniffing glue
I tend to not care whether something is proprietary if the pricing is competitive, availability is good, and there are options for capacity.
At this moment, per TB without considering anything else, it's a bit hit and miss in terms of pricing in regards to competitive pricing. It's a bit hard to make that consideration without including performance, however, for the purposes of trying to make this as apples to apples as possible:
XSS/XSX expansion card is $210 ($189 on sale now and then) U.S. per TB:
1TB: $210
2TB: $420
3TB: $630
4TB: $840
There are many variations in pricing to consider:
Playstation 5 NVME:
WD SN850:
1TB w/o heat sink: $199.99 / w heatsink $229.99, 2TB w/o heat sink: $429.99 / w heatsink $449.99 *(w/ heatsink = pre-installed). 1TB is less expensive than the XBOX Expansion card, 2TB is more expensive. *This is without pre-built heat sink. To add a heat sink to an NVME w/o one is about $10.
Samsung 980 PRO:
1TB: $199.99, 2TB: $399.00 (Amazon.com). All prices are less expensive than the XSS/XSX expansion even with adding a heat sink.
Firecuda 530:
1TB: $254.99, 2TB: $514.99, 4TB: 999.99. These do not include a heat sink that I'm aware of. These prices are from Seagate's Site: https://www.seagate.com/products/ga...~:text=$999.99MSRP,catalyzes PCIe® Gen4 power. Obviously, this is more expensive than the XBOX solution. At the 1TB level, not by much.
There are other drives out there, but, I think this drives home the point that at the 1TB level, without considering performance, the pricing is competitive for both solutions. Ease of installation not being considered, not considering how many TBs of data can be stored on a single drive over another solution..etc. On a pure pricing per TB standpoint, I think both solutions serve their purposes at somewhat nearly the same cost.
Maybe this is helpful and we can move on from this point a bit.
Topher
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Bo_Hazem
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saintjules
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I wonder if they'll change that this generation. I have to unplug and plug in the drive I want to use. They're essentially both connected but once I safely remove one drive I just disconnect the one I want to use and reconnect. Not a big deal, but curious if they will change that. I saw that the M.2 will show up, making it 3 drives you can manage at max.
Topher
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Marcus Aurelius
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Thank god you don't need to expand your space if you have good internet.
...will still upgrade if prices drop though lol
...will still upgrade if prices drop though lol
Gediminas
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Just read the thread.
and that answer was one of the mildest, modest answer to that comment
HTK
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Pricing for these things is still out there, I do understand Gen4 is relatively new but damn. I'm okay on storage and probably will be for a year or two so I'll pick one up when the prices are more reasonable.
I play one or two games at a time, if it's a single player and I beat it I just delete it. So I can manage for now.
I play one or two games at a time, if it's a single player and I beat it I just delete it. So I can manage for now.
Topher
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PhillMeCream
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I just ordered one
Heimdall_Xtreme
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For me it is one of the great flaws of ps5, the SSD is very insufficient and there is still no real solution for this problem.
I as a gamer need at least 4 TB. 1 TB is very insufficient
I as a gamer need at least 4 TB. 1 TB is very insufficient
Mr Moose
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Bojanglez
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Surely it is even faster to have it installed already though? Maybe it is cheaper not having to do so, but everyone has different value systems. Even when I can get a gigabit connection, which will hopefully be soon, I'm still going to want more storage capacity, I'm just a lazy bastard.
N1tr0sOx1d3
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PS4 games
You as a gamer should know that you have different options available to expand the storage. If not your just as dumb as the average consumer since that seems to be the consensus here on their intelligence.
DaleinCalgary
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You cant be serious....
Heimdall_Xtreme
Jim Ryan Fanclub's #1 Member
Tell me why the answer
Darklor01
Might need to stop sniffing glue
When availability is there, you could buy the 4TB Firecuda 530 for about $1,000 U.S. and add a heatsink or buy one for more with a heatsink included.
Other than that, I'm going to assume at some point more 4TB drives that are compatible will eventually become available. Currently, unless you are a beta tester, then, that's something which cannot be solved yet.
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DaleinCalgary
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Hook up a damn external 5Tb drive if you want old games on it.
How tough was that???
Topher
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You wanted a $1500 console then? That's fine, but most don't so that isn't a "flaw" of the console.
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Heimdall_Xtreme
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I like that answer, as a gamer and from ps4 experience, I have a 4 TB hard drive and it is enough for 6 years of not having a storage problem.
Heimdall_Xtreme
Jim Ryan Fanclub's #1 Member
And the games like Demon souls and others games of Ps5? Will there be problems due to the speed of the game loading screen?
Heimdall_Xtreme
Jim Ryan Fanclub's #1 Member
That's why Sony has to see what solution they should give, and I'm not just speaking for myself ... but millions of consumers who have it a Similar situation.
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Darklor01
Might need to stop sniffing glue
Yeah, now that so many games are available on the cheap for PS4, I do thoroughly enjoy having an 8TB external drive they all fit on attached to my PS5. That's a lot of games without needing to move things about or load discs to play..etc. It's going to be a long time before we can hit such a large size, but 4.5ish TB isn't bad at all.... that is unless they start to all have file sizes like Call of Duty to access various things. It's possible that Battlefield 2042 becomes one of those.
Topher
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This is the the solution. It meets my needs as someone who doesn't want to have a ton of games installed and your needs as someone who does. Where is the flaw?
Crimson_Fate
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I like the NVME solution better, when I am done with the PS5 I will drop the NVME in my NAS , an external USB enclosure or drop it in my PC and depending upon the ssd speed requirements for a future PS6 it may even carry over.
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DaleinCalgary
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Then wait for 4TB ssd ones to come out and spend your money on that if you want more fast memory. For now order a 2TB one and swap to a 4TB later when you need it.
Yes it will cost a bunch, but thats what new technology goes for.
Darklor01
Might need to stop sniffing glue
At some point down the line, I'll likely need to buy a spare of the same drive of at least the same size as the one in PS5 and clone it in case the one that I have dies. Problem for the future I guess. Upgrading to a larger one would be simple enough. Move games to external USB storage, move games back to new expansion drive.
Topher
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That's a good point. I could actually upgrade my PS5 right now with the NVMe SSD I have in my PC if I need to down the road. I'm fine with existing internal storage personally, but the fact that this is interchangeable with standard PC NVMe is a definite advantage for the PS5 solution.