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Pc is a strong platform, because it doesnt need next gen hardware

Skifi28

Skifi28

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I'm not sure what the purpose of the thread is other than stating the obvious. Yes, PC has better BC than consoles, you didn't exactly discover the wheel there.
 
Impotaku

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Playing old games on a pc is a fucking nightmare, you will spend endless hours trying to get a modern pc to interface with an old game because either the graphics card support won't play nice or there will be no sound because the pc can't figure out what the hell you expect it to do. My pc is super old it's still running win 7 and it's not a powerhouse in any way but i had the urge to play shivers an old sierra horror game that i love, i still had the original cd in my possession. Could i play it? could i fuck it flat out refused to work with a 64 bit version of win 7 there was no patch fix or emulator way of getting it to work as intended.

In the end i had to wait till years later GOG managed to release a version that worked and they went about it by using scummvm with tweaks to play the damn thing as it obviously wouldn't work on it's own. As good as pc hardware is it does a piss poor job of legacy support for a lot of old games as it's just assumed that if it's old then nobody will ever wanna play it anymore so just move on to the new & shiny and forget the old games.
 
kingfey

kingfey

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GuinGuin said:
Xbox and Playstation are backwards compatible with at least one generation and I don't think games older than that sell in any meaningful way.
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To us pc players, its a form of preservation. Without needing a physical copy.

Having to play older title, which you liked as a kid on your new setup is great. Best part is the graphics.

Gta3 graphics is atrocious for me on pc right now. It was great in 2011, when I uses to play it on home pc. You get moments like that.
 
kingfey

kingfey

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Md Ray said:
Try playing Metro Exodus Enhanced Edition on a GTX 1060 or an RX 580 PC.
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Isnt that graphic issues? It doesn't have anything to do with pc.

You are arguing about the graphic mode for the game, and not the ability to play the game again, on your next pc upgrade.

You can still play that game. It won't go anywhere. 10 years, it will be there.

Older pc only had to worry about the graphics. They weren't locked out of the games, like consoles were.

Can ps5 play any ps3 game, without a remaster? Or xseries outside of BC games approved list.

I have Some OG xbox games, which I can't play on my one S at all. While I can play these games on my pc fine.
 
Lucky8BB

Lucky8BB

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Many people like gaming on PC because they can:
-play hundreds of old games (even from early 2000 like you have mentioned)
-customise graphics settings to their liking
-use their favorite cotroller
-install interesting mods.

IMO PC is the ultimate gaming platform without any doubts, but the problem is you have to pay a lot if you really want to play the latest games 😀. I'm usually upgrading my PC once every 5 years, and I have to spend around 2000$ each time. My current PC is already old and I think I will just buy PS5 (maybe XSX as well) this time around, because my old favorite PC games still runs great and current hardware prices are more expensive than ever.
 
kingfey

kingfey

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Impotaku said:
Playing old games on a pc is a fucking nightmare, you will spend endless hours trying to get a modern pc to interface with an old game because either the graphics card support won't play nice or there will be no sound because the pc can't figure out what the hell you expect it to do. My pc is super old it's still running win 7 and it's not a powerhouse in any way but i had the urge to play shivers an old sierra horror game that i love, i still had the original cd in my possession. Could i play it? could i fuck it flat out refused to work with a 64 bit version of win 7 there was no patch fix or emulator way of getting it to work as intended.

In the end i had to wait till years later GOG managed to release a version that worked and they went about it by using scummvm with tweaks to play the damn thing as it obviously wouldn't work on it's own. As good as pc hardware is it does a piss poor job of legacy support for a lot of old games as it's just assumed that if it's old then nobody will ever wanna play it anymore so just move on to the new & shiny and forget the old games.
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I will test that on my pc. Will see if the game works fine or not.

I would have to disagree on that last statements. Its windows compatibility issues. Sometimes, it needs certain windows compatibility setting as an admin. Used to have issues like that.
 
Md Ray

Md Ray

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"Pc is a strong platform, because it doesnt need next gen hardware"​

You absolutely cannot play Enhanced Edition of Metro Exodus if you're on a GTX or non-RDNA 2 based PC without a next-gen hardware.

And you certainly won't be able to play 4A Games next game without one.
 
amigastar

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rodrigolfp said:
Only needs if you need to play games that demands it be "current gen".

"3: you only need graphic card changes."

But this is very wrong...
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Actually, in the 8-9 years i've had an I72600K i had to replace only my graphics card, nothing else.
 
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Optimus Lime

Optimus Lime

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Alpha dogs like myself own a high end gaming PC as their main platform, and supplement it with the consoles for exclusives and to compensate for the inevitable shit PC port that shows up from time to time. This renders all platform warring instantly irrelevant.

Arnold Schwarzenegger Smoking GIF
 
Bryank75

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You're not much of a PC gamer if you dont know that a motherboard needs to be upgraded if it does not support a new CPU etc.

Running on windows is a huge issue in itself..... pop ups, restarts, constant updates, subscriptions for everything on it now.......

PC is a headache that most people don;t want or eventually run out of patience with.
 
Optimus Lime

Optimus Lime

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Bryank75 said:
You're not much of a PC gamer if you dont know that a motherboard needs to be upgraded if it does not support a new CPU etc.

Running on windows is a huge issue in itself..... pop ups, restarts, constant updates, subscriptions for everything on it now.......

PC is a headache that most people don;t want or eventually run out of patience with.
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I know! Every year, my PC costs me another five grand in hardware! It's crazy, I tell you!
 
kingfey

kingfey

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Lucky8BB said:
Many people like gaming on PC because they can:
-play hundreds of old games (even from early 2000 like you have mentioned)
-customise graphics settings to their liking
-use their favorite cotroller
-install interesting mods.

IMO PC is the ultimate gaming platform without any doubts, but the problem is you have to pay a lot if you really want to play the latest games 😀. I'm usually upgrading my PC once every 5 years, and I have to spend around 2000$ each time. My current PC is already old and I think I will just buy PS5 (maybe XSX as well) this time around, because my old favorite PC games still runs great and current hardware prices are more expensive than ever.
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Crypto fked up pc gaming as of now. I was lucky my pc was 500$. Rx570 is like 300-800 now. A 2017 gpu.

If these shitheads didn't get involved with pc hardwares, gpu prices would have been cheaper now.

At least, my system can handle for 4 more years, as long as I don't need rts or 4k stuff. 1080p with 120 fps is enough.
 
Lucky8BB

Lucky8BB

Banned
Impotaku said:
Playing old games on a pc is a fucking nightmare, you will spend endless hours trying to get a modern pc to interface with an old game because either the graphics card support won't play nice or there will be no sound because the pc can't figure out what the hell you expect it to do. My pc is super old it's still running win 7 and it's not a powerhouse in any way but i had the urge to play shivers an old sierra horror game that i love, i still had the original cd in my possession. Could i play it? could i fuck it flat out refused to work with a 64 bit version of win 7 there was no patch fix or emulator way of getting it to work as intended.

In the end i had to wait till years later GOG managed to release a version that worked and they went about it by using scummvm with tweaks to play the damn thing as it obviously wouldn't work on it's own. As good as pc hardware is it does a piss poor job of legacy support for a lot of old games as it's just assumed that if it's old then nobody will ever wanna play it anymore so just move on to the new & shiny and forget the old games.
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On sites like pcgamingwiki you can find instructions how to run old games, so you only need to spend few minutes installing necessary patches. I'm playing on PC since 1997 and the vast majority of my games still runs fine.
 
kingfey

kingfey

Banned
Bryank75 said:
You're not much of a PC gamer if you dont know that a motherboard needs to be upgraded if it does not support a new CPU etc.

Running on windows is a huge issue in itself..... pop ups, restarts, constant updates, subscriptions for everything on it now.......

PC is a headache that most people don;t want or eventually run out of patience with.
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Does that change the fact, that you can't play those games?
As long as pc plays those games, it won't change anything.

The only way pc loses its position, is of it can't play those old games at all. Like you can't access them on your system.

Even office computer can play a 2010 game.
 
Impotaku

Impotaku

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Optimus Lime said:
Running older games on your PC is not a 'fucking nightmare'. It requires a partially functioning brain and the ability to google things.
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Ok so what do you do then when you have googled and there is no solution to get your game running? as that's exactly what happened to me i discovered shivers would not work on a 64 bit version of windows there was no fix or patch to get it to run properly.

The problem with pc hardware is there's so many pieces of old video & audio tech that's poorly supported, you have to rely on the mercy that someone wrote a patch to fix something to run on a newer gen of pc hardware if they didn't then your fucked unless you go build a old pc using obsolete parts to make it match the spec of the game you're running. It's nowhere near as simple as people make out and i'm no stranger to running a multitude of tricky emulators.
 
Optimus Lime

Optimus Lime

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Impotaku said:
Ok so what do you do then when you have googled and there is no solution to get your game running? as that's exactly what happened to me i discovered shivers would not work on a 64 bit version of windows there was no fix or patch to get it to run properly.

The problem with pc hardware is there's so many pieces of old video & audio tech that's poorly supported, you have to rely on the mercy that someone wrote a patch to fix something to run on a newer gen of pc hardware if they didn't then your fucked unless you go build a old pc using obsolete parts to make it match the spec of the game you're running. It's nowhere near as simple as people make out and i'm no stranger to running a multitude of tricky emulators.
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What do you do? You go back to consoles, because there is no problem that cannot be solved. You're right, it isn't simple. It isn't easy. It's an enthusiast platform that sometimes requires work and effort and the ability to read and problem solve. If you can't understand how to run Retroarch, or setup a VM, the internet isn't going to help you.

There's not a single PC game from now, or then, that I haven't been able to run successfully. Emulation is so mature and borderline idiot-proof at this point through programs like Retroarch that there really is no excuse.

For some people, the PC is just not for them. It's too difficult, too much work, and too anchored in traditional electronics/technology enthusiast culture. That's okay, you have plenty of other options for gaming.
 
Guilty_AI

Guilty_AI

Member
Impotaku said:
Ok so what do you do then when you have googled and there is no solution to get your game running? as that's exactly what happened to me i discovered shivers would not work on a 64 bit version of windows there was no fix or patch to get it to run properly.

The problem with pc hardware is there's so many pieces of old video & audio tech that's poorly supported, you have to rely on the mercy that someone wrote a patch to fix something to run on a newer gen of pc hardware if they didn't then your fucked unless you go build a old pc using obsolete parts to make it match the spec of the game you're running. It's nowhere near as simple as people make out and i'm no stranger to running a multitude of tricky emulators.
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Can't you use a VM? Games is old enough for it to run properly on one. Its not really tricky to use emulators either so i don't get where you're coming from.
 
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LazyParrot

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Impotaku said:
Playing old games on a pc is a fucking nightmare, you will spend endless hours trying to get a modern pc to interface with an old game because either the graphics card support won't play nice or there will be no sound because the pc can't figure out what the hell you expect it to do. My pc is super old it's still running win 7 and it's not a powerhouse in any way but i had the urge to play shivers an old sierra horror game that i love, i still had the original cd in my possession. Could i play it? could i fuck it flat out refused to work with a 64 bit version of win 7 there was no patch fix or emulator way of getting it to work as intended.

In the end i had to wait till years later GOG managed to release a version that worked and they went about it by using scummvm with tweaks to play the damn thing as it obviously wouldn't work on it's own. As good as pc hardware is it does a piss poor job of legacy support for a lot of old games as it's just assumed that if it's old then nobody will ever wanna play it anymore so just move on to the new & shiny and forget the old games.
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Yeah, some games won't work. It sucks, especially if the only old game you want to play is one of those. You shouldn't make such sweeping statements based on your experience with a single game, though.

I play old games from the 90s and early 2000s almost exclusively. Over the past decade I've probably played close to a hundred of them, and I can only think of three that I could not get to run on my PC under any circumstances. In the vast majority of cases I'll have a game running within minutes.

The real advantage over consoles is that you do not have to rely on the platform owner (or Microsoft, in this case) to make things work. Your PS5 will never run your PS1, PS2 or PS3 games. The only time you'll ever see a game from those consoles run on a PS5 is if Sony themselves decide to port or emulate it and put it on their store.

On PC anyone with the necessary programming chops can sit down and attempt to solve the issue. In the early 2000s Windows XP dropped DOS support, rendering hundreds of games from the past decade more or less unplayable. So two guys went and created DOSbox, which essentially solved that issue entirely. You're never gonna get that on a console.
 
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Guilty_AI

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Md Ray said:
You absolutely cannot play Enhanced Edition of Metro Exodus if you're on a GTX or non-RDNA 2 based PC without a next-gen hardware.
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you can




1080p, ultra settings at 30fps, medium-high for 60 fps.
And this is the 3gb version of the card on top of that.

Unless you mean ray tracing, but thats a dumb requirement considering the game doesn't need it to look great.
 
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sircaw

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kingfey said:
Every generation, consoles bring out new systems. Once a new system is out, the old system dies slowly, and devs won't earn money from it anymore.

But this is not the case for PC platform. You can play a 2000 game on pc, buy very old game, and still support the publisher, if they are still in the business.

What do you think gaffers?

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Mobile format is hard.

1: You can play very old games
2: You can play on your old pc.
3: you only need graphic card changes.
4: Publishers will still get money from the system.
5: Your games won't die out, until the store gets closed permanently.
6: Digital Pc rules, due to discounts.


Edit: People seem to think that you need specifically new graphics to play pc games. These graphic main job is to meet the game's requirements. It doesn't actually block you from accessing the game.
You can wait 10 years, and still able to access those games. You dont need to spend 1k to play these games.

Your new graphics can still play your old games. While the new console generation aren't able to play them. Since they get new stores system every generation.
Pc has 1 system generation, which is windows. As long as windows exist, those games will exist. How you access them, depends on you.
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i think there is already a website called Confused..com "lollipop_disappointed:
 
GuinGuin

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kingfey said:
To us pc players, its a form of preservation. Without needing a physical copy.

Having to play older title, which you liked as a kid on your new setup is great. Best part is the graphics.

Gta3 graphics is atrocious for me on pc right now. It was great in 2011, when I uses to play it on home pc. You get moments like that.
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Any game more than 5 years old isn't worth playing unless it's an absolute classic and turn based like Xcom 1994 or Vagrant Story.
 
rofif

rofif

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Guilty_AI said:
you can




1080p, ultra settings at 30fps, medium-high for 60 fps.
And this is the 3gb version of the card on top of that.

Unless you mean ray tracing, but thats a dumb requirement considering the game doesn't need it to look great.
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At this point.... what's the point? why suffer if 200$ ps4 slim can play it better.
PC is not only about "being able to". It's about "BEING ABLE TO DO BEST".
That said - 1060 is waaaaaay more than ps4 can offer so no surprise there
 
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RoadHazard

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PC does kind of have generations though, but they're "rolling" generations rather than fixed ones as with consoles. At some point the CPU or GPU you bought 5 years ago will no longer be supported (or won't be good enough to run the latest games anymore).

I know PC gamers usually don't replace everything all at once, but eventually your PC will be a completely different machine than it once was.
 
TonyK

TonyK

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I spent more in hardware in 5 years as PC gamer than the sum of all consoles in my life since Snes to PS5.
 
Guilty_AI

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GuinGuin said:
Any game more than 5 years old isn't worth playing unless it's an absolute classic and turn based like Xcom 1994 or Vagrant Story.
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Have you seen how many absolute classics we have?
Deus Ex, Baldurs Gate, Thief, Blood, Planetscape: Torment, System Shock, Half Life, Gothic, STALKER, FEAR, Vampire Masquerade, Portal, Legacy of Kain...

rofif said:
At this point.... what's the point? why suffer if 200$ ps4 slim can play it better.
PC is not only about "being able to". It's about "BEING ABLE TO DO BEST".
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This card literally plays the game better than a ps4.
And if we're talking about building a PC right now, theres no reason to pick a 1060 over a GTX 16xx series or a RTX 2060, which play even next gen games perfectly fine at a decent price.
 
Dream-Knife

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Bo_Hazem said:
Not sure what were you drinking when you posted, but PC gaming needs constant upgrades to keep up with tech.
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Not really. Plenty of people still running 970s from 2014.

One of my friends still uses a 560ti. Most graphically intensive game he plays is dark souls though.

The theory that you always need to upgrade is false. But people love to consume.
 
F

FStubbs

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Dream-Knife said:
Not really. Plenty of people still running 970s from 2014.

One of my friends still uses a 560ti. Most graphically intensive game he plays is dark souls though.

The theory that you always need to upgrade is false. But people love to consume.
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When my GTX 1080ti failed, I moved to a laptop with a 3060M in it. It's actually slightly weaker in TFLOPS. But it gets the job done.
 
GuinGuin

GuinGuin

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Guilty_AI said:
Have you seen how many absolute classics we have?
Deus Ex, Baldurs Gate, Thief, Blood, Planetscape: Torment, System Shock, Half Life, Gothic, STALKER, FEAR, Vampire Masquerade, Portal, Legacy of Kain...


This card literally plays the game better than a ps4.
And if we're talking about building a PC right now, theres no reason to pick a 1060 over a GTX 16xx series or a RTX 2060, which play even next gen games perfectly fine at a decent price.
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Those aren't turn based. Going back to play old action games just shows how poor they are without the rose tinted glasses.
 
J

Jagz

Member
I get what you mean. I have games I bought almost 20 years ago in my Steam account that I still play to this day; can't say the same about playing my PS2 games on PS5.
 
kingfey

kingfey

Banned
Md Ray said:

"Pc is a strong platform, because it doesnt need next gen hardware"​

You absolutely cannot play Enhanced Edition of Metro Exodus if you're on a GTX or non-RDNA 2 based PC without a next-gen hardware.

And you certainly won't be able to play 4A Games next game without one.
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Low Vs Ultra GeForce GTX 1060 Performance Review​

Viewing the performance found on the 5 year old GeForce GTX 1060 while playing Metro Exodus Enhanced Edition we quickly see it can deliver a struggling 32 FPS. With that performance recorded at 1920x1080 res when running High graphics.
In lieu of those results we would not recommend the GeForce GTX 1060 to run Metro Exodus Enhanced Edition on 1440p. However, you could try turning the graphics setting down to Medium, to get a more stable 36 FPS.
Low vs Ultra summary, the GeForce GTX 1060 will be a good match for 1080p on Metro Exodus Enhanced Edition - Low 64 FPS, Medium 48 FPS, High 32 FPS, Ultra 16 FPS.
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Low vs Ultra on Metro Exodus Enhanced Edition with GeForce GTX 1060 1080p,1440p,4K

Low versus ultra GeForce GTX 1060 graphics setting FPS comparison for Metro Exodus Enhanced Edition on 1080p, 1440p & 4K resolutions
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