• Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.

Tin foil hats not included. What if all these negative Sony articles are just to lower expectations for an eventual resurgence story for Sony?

IntentionalPun

Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
Some of what Sony does isn't good..

And web sites are designed to get clicks/views.. so they latch onto anything and exagerate.

Who fucking cares? lol
 

Kokoloko85

Member
Since September they announced many games on the State of Play events, PS Blog and YouTube channel plus other social media channels, all of them with huge audience and user engagement, sometimes even reaching gaming industry records. Even released some of these games.

They also announced 2nd party partnership with 3 studios more from the creators of Destiny/Halo, CoD BO and AC. They also made in this period a couple of studios acquisitions. All these announcements appeared in the gaming media everywhere.

Their console gets sold out in minutes, sold 10M faster than any other console and they are making more money than any console platform holder ever did. Their PR and marketing seems to work perfectly and people is pretty hyped.

Regarding console features, they enabled the SSD bay plus online tournament related features that have been using in places like EVO. They are also working on a next gen PS Now, but I assume they'll support 1440p and VRR next. What features would you include?

I mean there hasnt been any 1st party exclusives or major 3rd party exclusives since that September event. Let know if Im missing something but since FF16 there hasnt been anything Worthwhile.
Normally there is an e3 event but there wasnt any this year and I doubt there will be a big event this summer. I miss the 2015/2016 e3’s lol.

I realise they have hit huge audiences and made some great deals but I want to see some more games. We don’t know any 1st party games coming after 2022 ( Horizon, God of War Ragnarok and GT7 ) which were all announced last year.

I know they are selling out in minutes and doing a greta job, probably the best ever but you telling me you wouldnt want to see a e3 like show from Playstation? I sure would.
Its definitely the longest Sony has gone without a major show

Consoles features have been great and I know more will come like VRR and 1440p eventually. I personally want Folders and BC lol
 
Last edited:

Neil Young

Member
People need to stop listening to shitty click websites + the rabid fanboy/ care pretenders on this forum, there are a lot of them

Sony is doing absolutely fine, go and play your games and stop worrying about nothing..
A fucking men. I know this site has gone through like ten purges recently and you can tell. If you keep banning every decent member....oh whatever. So yeah, we have new people that stir up shit and refuse to back it up, trolling every other thread making them unreadable.
 
Sony is planting the seeds for a fall imo. The lost of focus in Japan is a huge mistake. Especially when I expect MS to take America this gen
MS Is winning the has games battle right now.
People online, Youtube etc doing what they do, people who write articles doing what they do. People who read forums over obsessing and general public not really caring about whats wrote online. Sony will be fine anyways.
 

Jigsaah

Gold Member
Then let's be a bit more profound: What a crazy idea, substantiated by nothing.
It's a theory. One presented with a hint of sarcasm as I've already admitted in this thread. The theory is silly. The title of the thread is literally a "What if" question. So you insult me because you can't read between the lines or only give enough fucks to have a hot take on the OP. Like I said, get the fuck out of here if you're not trying to participate in the conversation.
 
Last edited:

MScarpa

Member
I have been thinking recently about why Sony has seen such negative press recently. It seems, almost arbitrarily, like recent articles tend to address some glaring issues with the state of PS5 and Sony as a whole but also pepper in small annoyances that wouldn't really matter too much to many people. An example would be a recent blogger complaining about a lack of faceplates as being one of the many reasons why the PS5 "sucks". This had me scratching my head honestly, because it feels like phony outrage over something so inconsequential. I'm trying to look at this objectively and try see the hidden meaning within the hidden meaning, to quote a recent episode of Boruto.

Yes both XSX and PS5 have some work to do, but isn't this the same every generation. Is it because there's not much else to talk about and these kind of outbursts, at the very least, garner clicks, likes and comments?

Or is it something even more hidden behind veil. Could the bashing of Sony and boosting of other platforms be part of the media's plan to usher in an era of Sony's coordinated, intentional, eventual and inevitable redemption.

I think we could all agree Sony's been pretty quiet. They seem to have lost their sense of showmanship. Their games alone do the talking for them, but I feel like this isn't enough. I also think Sony knows it's not enough.

The saying goes "Absence makes the heart fonder". Could Sony be planning a resurgence in the future to overshadow any and all positive press Xbox or the Switch or even PC receives. Is Sony positioning itself to be the hero that's beaten down only to rise up even higher than they were ever previously?

I'd like to know what you guys think. Am I crazy? Does it not seem weird for the media to be doing a 180 like this?
How old are you OP? Have to be under 18. No way an adult gives 2 fucks about this shit.
 

On Demand

Banned
Get off the internet and stop reading and being so absorbed into curated news. Reality paints a completely different picture.

If you think Sony is going to have or need a "resurgence" then what in the fuck do you call the PS5's success now? It's selling more and faster than any other console. Stop letting news articles fool into thinking something is dire when it's not.
 

Jigsaah

Gold Member
Get off the internet and stop reading and being so absorbed into curated news. Reality paints a completely different picture.

If you think Sony is going to have or need a "resurgence" then what in the fuck do you call the PS5's success now? It's selling more and faster than any other console. Stop letting news articles fool into thinking something is dire when it's not.
Resurgence refers to the PR aspect. I pretty much figured it was common knowledge Sony is doing well financially. That was never the issue. How much of this thread have you actually read?
 

On Demand

Banned
Sony is planting the seeds for a fall imo. The lost of focus in Japan is a huge mistake. Especially when I expect MS to take America this gen
MS Is winning the has games battle right now.
People online, Youtube etc doing what they do, people who write articles doing what they do. People who read forums over obsessing and general public not really caring about whats wrote online. Sony will be fine anyways.
This is completely false. If casual people cared what was said online by fanboys, PS5 wouldn't be selling like it is. Just like the OP, you're letting nonsensical news articles control you into assuming something is wrong in fact the complete opposite is happening.

What "winning the has games battle" are you talking about? Nobody with common sense would make a dumb statement by saying Xbox has more games than PS5. Especially seeing how it didn't launch with any.

"Planting seeds for a fall" Don't be so overdramatic. Need i remind you Sony's worst generation, the PS3, still managed to sell 90M cosoles. All without any of the first party prowess they built up to now. 90M is an average generation for Sony and baseline success.

You people need to start using logic and historical data before you jump on the doom train. Stop paying attention to these fanboy exaggeratory articles would be a start.
 

On Demand

Banned
Resurgence refers to the PR aspect. I pretty much figured it was common knowledge Sony is doing well financially. That was never the issue. How much of this thread have you actually read?

Don't be slick and move goal post. It's all one in the same. PR aspect doesn't chang my point.
 

Jigsaah

Gold Member
Don't be slick and move goal post. It's all one in the same. PR aspect doesn't chang my point.
Seriously? I just can't have a proper conversation when you obvious have trouble comprehending. Read the title, it mentions negative articles. Have there been any negative articles about Sony's earnings or sales? No. So why would I be referring to that? Like dude, I'm having a hard time preventing myself from outwardly insulting your intelligence. Let's just stop, ok?
 

On Demand

Banned
If negative articles aren’t affecting Sony’s sales then who cares? I’m sure Sony doesn’t.The argument is moot at that point.
 
This is completely false. If casual people cared what was said online by fanboys, PS5 wouldn't be selling like it is. Just like the OP, you're letting nonsensical news articles control you into assuming something is wrong in fact the complete opposite is happening.

What "winning the has games battle" are you talking about? Nobody with common sense would make a dumb statement by saying Xbox has more games than PS5. Especially seeing how it didn't launch with any.

"Planting seeds for a fall" Don't be so overdramatic. Need i remind you Sony's worst generation, the PS3, still managed to sell 90M cosoles. All without any of the first party prowess they built up to now. 90M is an average generation for Sony and baseline success.

You people need to start using logic and historical data before you jump on the doom train. Stop paying attention to these fanboy exaggeratory articles would be a start.
LOL at this dude having a meltdown. Does it hurt you when people say Sony is failing? Are Sony characters coming over your house greasing your nuts with ky jelly or putting money in your bank account? Did you hire Ellie from the Last of Us to manage day to day tasks for you. I said "Sony would be fine" My house has a PS3 and Two PS4s. Have you been doing mushrooms like Mario. I said the general public does not really care whats wrote online " You're the one that doesn't make sense. I have my Sony loving bro in law even saying Xbox is coming out with great games. Normal people can see that.

Also you know its fine that not everyone shares mine or your opinion? You know that some people can think that Sony doesnt have any good titles out worth playing right now. Just because you love ratchet and clank doesnt mean everyone has interest in that. In the same vein while Gamepass seems/is the best value in gaming to many its okay that you might not like it.
 
The truth is there ain;t any ps5 heavy hitter for the reminder of this year if Horizon is delayed. On xbox end there is Forza horizon 5 and halo infinite both are heavy hitter and console seller.
 

bit_blaster

Neo Member
negative articles dont affect anything substantial, i remember all the "Nintendo is finished" articles from the Wii U days
 

yurinka

Member
So you think because they are making more money than ever that they don't feel pressure mounting from competition? Sony has to be future focused and I'm sure they are. Regardless of how they are doing right now, there is always the next flashpoint to prepare for. I don't doubt that they are planning. Everybody's planning though. I still don't think it's smart for them to be so quiet for as long as they have been. I don't seeing Sony just coast. I don't think anybody who enjoys Sony's brand should be satisfied with this.
I think they obviously know they have competition and are working to counter them where needed as part of their strategy to grow and to secure their lead with things like:
-They have been and are growing their internal teams in a big way and making acquisitions
-They are expanding their portfolio of 2nd party and exclusive 3rd party deals including some from Asia to grow in places like China
-Some of their future games will be GaaS and/or multiplayer
-They are porting old games to PC to get new fans and grow in places like Asia/China
-They are working on improving PS Now in several areas like to bring it to more devices like mobile or to make 5G related optimizations
-They are improving their VR stuff with PSVR2
-They are betting on eSports and specially fighting games (genre that grew a lot this and the previous generation, and with LoL and Dungeon Fighter this gen will grow a lot more) related stuff
-They are bringing some of their main PlayStation IPs to movies and TV shows to get new fans
-They will use their PlayStation IPs in their (very successful) mobile gaming team to get new fans

But broke many game industry records with PS4 like biggest amount of games sold for any console in gaming history and PS5 is now outselling it at least in (it's the numbers we have) consoles sold and while supply constrained due to chips shortage.

The lead on console sold can skyrocket once they solve the chips issue looking at how fast their new shipments get sold out worldwide. They also have most of the PS4 userbase who still didn't jump to next gen still engaged every month playing and buying game, suggesting that when upgrading pretty likely will choose PS5 to don't lose that library.

They also make more money than anyone from DLC/IAP, something is key strategically because AAA games (so most overall game revenue) now are shifting to GaaS so whoever gets that also will get that library if people continue playing these massive games in the next gen. Same goes with services, they may not offer as many hot new games with Plus or Now but they are the ones who generate more revenue from game subscriptions and have an insane userbase and library there so with some tweaks they can continue being leading game subscriptions. Same with VR, they built a library and they got experienced so with their next gen iteration will be pretty difficult to compete in consoles against them with VR.

And well, overall they generate way more revenue than Xbox and Nintendo, meaning players support way more them with their wallets. So some clickbaity journalist or some gaffer may be upset with Sony but the majority of gamers are with them. And with that money they will be able to reinvest it where needed, won't be short of resources to do whatever is needed.

TLDR: They are in a comfortable leading position in most key areas, in many cases breaking gaming industry records for any console platform holder to a point they aren't worried about the competition, which obviously they take into consideration because it's also doing a good job but more focused on other areas. Sony has plans to continue improving and growing that make sense, that aren't very crazy because basically are to tweak, improve or double down on things they were already doing successfully while also testing the waters of some new markets. Pretty much the same successful strategy they did during the whole PS4 generation.
 
Last edited:

yurinka

Member
I mean there hasnt been any 1st party exclusives or major 3rd party exclusives since that September event. Let know if Im missing something but since FF16 there hasnt been anything Worthwhile.
Normally there is an e3 event but there wasnt any this year and I doubt there will be a big event this summer. I miss the 2015/2016 e3’s lol.

I realise they have hit huge audiences and made some great deals but I want to see some more games. We don’t know any 1st party games coming after 2022 ( Horizon, God of War Ragnarok and GT7 ) which were all announced last year.

I know they are selling out in minutes and doing a greta job, probably the best ever but you telling me you wouldnt want to see a e3 like show from Playstation? I sure would.
Its definitely the longest Sony has gone without a major show

Consoles features have been great and I know more will come like VRR and 1440p eventually. I personally want Folders and BC lol
There have been games announced but sure have not been big megatons they have been more filler or 2nd tier stuff. In this period they focused more in showing games that have been released these months and will be released the next half a year or so. They have a steady content of stuff that allows them to keep the engagement on record levels while focusing on showing and announcing short term games.

Covid obviously caused some delays for releases (remember that games like GT7, GoW and Horizon 2 were supposed to be 2021 games) and I assume for announcements too, and in addition to this since they sell out their consoles very fast pretty likely they don't want to rise the hype now but insted to save their hype bullets for when will be able to have more consoles in the stores.

Regarding BC, PS3 is impossible outside PS Now/remasters/remakes but I think they could add PS1 Classics (at least some of the ones they had in PS3, PSP or Vita) just to be able to say in the future PS Now features games from all PS consoles as a selling point.
 
Last edited:

Kokoloko85

Member
There have been games announced but sure have not been big megatons they have been more filler or 2nd tier stuff. In this period they focused more in showing games that have been released these months and will be released the next half a year or so. They have a steady content of stuff that allows them to keep the engagement on record levels while focusing on showing and announcing short term games.

Covid obviously caused some delays for releases (remember that games like GT7, GoW and Horizon 2 were supposed to be 2021 games) and I assume for announcements too, and in addition to this since they sell out their consoles very fast pretty likely they don't want to rise the hype now but insted to save their hype bullets for when will be able to have more consoles in the stores.

Regarding BC, PS3 is impossible outside PS Now/remasters/remakes but I think they could add PS1 Classics (at least some of the ones they had in PS3, PSP or Vita) just to be able to say in the future PS Now features games from all PS consoles as a selling point.

At the end of the day, as a fan I miss them doing something like e3 where we get big announcements.

Agreed. They could easily add the the PS1 and PS2 games from the older stores. Plenty of money to be made and they could of expanded it even more in the last 7+ years
 
Apart from a few places. The western gaming press has always had a bias in favour of Xbox over PlayStation. Go back to last gen launch with IGN 720p Vs 1080p and IGN saying there's no difference. Nothing has changed.

Everything MS does is treated like gospel, while nothing but concern and downplaying on the Sony side. Look at DF in most comparisons.
 

yurinka

Member
At the end of the day, as a fan I miss them doing something like e3 where we get big announcements.

Agreed. They could easily add the the PS1 and PS2 games from the older stores. Plenty of money to be made and they could of expanded it even more in the last 7+ years
There are PS2 games in the stores of PS4, PS5 and PS Now but many people don't notice because even if frequently requested by people in forums, in reality nobody give a shit about them.

And well, many key PS1, PS2 and PS3 games already got remastered, remade or included in collections in PS4 or PS5 so for people interested on them there's these versions. I assume that they will continue in this way because the work needed to bring them back must be more profitable so I think that for the games they think there's a market for them they will continue that route.

I think it would be great to be able to play inserting any PS1, PS2, PS3 disc on PS5 but I think it won't happen at least this generation. Or well, at least to have more PS2 games on the stores and to add PS1 games too but I don't think there's enough player interest for that. In fact, myself I'd rarely play old PS1 and PS2 games I still have on disk or bought for the portables.
 

Elios83

Member
You basically have people who are desperate for clicks/hits who know that clickbaits and fake stories full of concern about what's popular generate this kind of return for them.
And then you have shills rooting for MS (the western press is full of these people since forever) who are basically doing their job hoping that some of their bullshit sticks and they can change the narrative.
They tried everything they could since last year and failed because most of this stuff is either false or is so petty that no one cares.
So basically even Sony doesn't give a fuck and they go ahead with their own marketing plans.
 

Ceadeus

Gold Member
They might be trying a new type of marketing. They know most of the talk are being done on social media and over the internet. So by keeping silence and ignoring these media they're pretty much making these journalist salty af and making everyone hungry for content and shit to consume.

So as soon as Sony will silently start giving release dates and big guns in development everyone will go mad and buy the shit out of everything

Hungry Feed Me GIF
 

Elog

Member
Last 10 years of console gaming articles in the English speaking world with the Microsoft PR machine working overtime:

1) Sony is doomed
2) Microsoft wil conquer all
3) Basically silence regarding Nintendo

Consistent outcome:

1) Nintendo dominates
2) Sony is doing fine
3) Xbox is struggling

It will of course at some point change but the current narrative is the same as for almost the full last decade. In the end it is all about the games. it is not about business model or hardware - only the games.
 
Last edited:

Jigsaah

Gold Member
I'd say if that's the most negative concern about ps5 then I'd suggest you take off your tinfoil hat and go out and get some fresh air
Well, I would...but it's definitely not the worst that the articles have mentioned. I like how you don't include the part of the sentence where I clearly state this is an example...that's a strange agenda you have.
 

yurinka

Member
At the end of the day, as a fan I miss them doing something like e3 where we get big announcements.

Agreed. They could easily add the the PS1 and PS2 games from the older stores. Plenty of money to be made and they could of expanded it even more in the last 7+ years
There are PS2 games in the stores of PS4, PS5 and PS Now but many people don't notice because even if frequently requested by people in forums, in reality nobody give a shit about them.

And well, many key PS1, PS2 and PS3 games already got remastered, remade or included in collections in PS4 or PS5 so for people interested on them there's these versions. I assume that they will continue in this way because the work needed to bring them back must be more profitable so I think that for the games they think there's a market for them they will continue that route.

I think it would be great to be able to play inserting any PS1, PS2, PS3 disc on PS5 but I think it won't happen at least this generation. Or well, at least to have more PS2 games on the stores and to add PS1 games too but I don't think there's enough player interest for that. In fact, myself I'd rarely play old PS1 and PS2 games I still have on disk or bought for the portables.

Have there been any negative articles about Sony's earnings or sales? No.
There's a releated recent clown thread and article claiming PS5 is doomed because Switch is selling more in Japan and this week dominated the Japanese top 30 boxed games sales ranking.

When looking at the big picture PS5 worldwide is having the best launch any console ever had beating the record set by PS4, console that worldwide holds the record of biggest amount of games sold for a console, is a close 2nd best selling console ever launch aligned, has almost 90M MAU almost 8 years after release, their exclusives dominated the GOTY lists this decade and PlayStation is generating more revenue than any console platform holder ever did.

And well, knowing consoles sales curves cycle it's normal to see them selling less at their launch window and when sunseting, and way more during their sales peak that they traditionally have somewhere around their 2nd-5th year. So putting PS4, PS5 and Switch in that context it's normal to see now Switch having bigger sales numbers than PS5 and PS4. In the same way it will be normal that in the next years PS4 will continue going down and eventually getting discontinue, Switch to continue selling less every year after it leaves its peak, and PS5 going up to reach its peak somewhere its 2nd-5th year and to go down after that.

And well, this without talking about the pattern in Japan with home consoles whose sales have been decreasing over generations not only at Sony (not sure about the numbers, but I'd bet Wii was the exception).
 
Last edited:

Jigsaah

Gold Member
I think they obviously know they have competition and are working to counter them where needed as part of their strategy to grow and to secure their lead with things like:
-They have been and are growing their internal teams in a big way and making acquisitions
-They are expanding their portfolio of 2nd party and exclusive 3rd party deals including some from Asia to grow in places like China
-Some of their future games will be GaaS and/or multiplayer
-They are porting old games to PC to get new fans and grow in places like Asia/China
-They are working on improving PS Now in several areas like to bring it to more devices like mobile or to make 5G related optimizations
-They are improving their VR stuff with PSVR2
-They are betting on eSports and specially fighting games (genre that grew a lot this and the previous generation, and with LoL and Dungeon Fighter this gen will grow a lot more) related stuff
-They are bringing some of their main PlayStation IPs to movies and TV shows to get new fans
-They will use their PlayStation IPs in their (very successful) mobile gaming team to get new fans

But broke many game industry records with PS4 like biggest amount of games sold for any console in gaming history and PS5 is now outselling it at least in (it's the numbers we have) consoles sold and while supply constrained due to chips shortage.

The lead on console sold can skyrocket once they solve the chips issue looking at how fast their new shipments get sold out worldwide. They also have most of the PS4 userbase who still didn't jump to next gen still engaged every month playing and buying game, suggesting that when upgrading pretty likely will choose PS5 to don't lose that library.

They also make more money than anyone from DLC/IAP, something is key strategically because AAA games (so most overall game revenue) now are shifting to GaaS so whoever gets that also will get that library if people continue playing these massive games in the next gen. Same goes with services, they may not offer as many hot new games with Plus or Now but they are the ones who generate more revenue from game subscriptions and have an insane userbase and library there so with some tweaks they can continue being leading game subscriptions. Same with VR, they built a library and they got experienced so with their next gen iteration will be pretty difficult to compete in consoles against them with VR.

And well, overall they generate way more revenue than Xbox and Nintendo, meaning players support way more them with their wallets. So some clickbaity journalist or some gaffer may be upset with Sony but the majority of gamers are with them. And with that money they will be able to reinvest it where needed, won't be short of resources to do whatever is needed.

TLDR: They are in a comfortable leading position in most key areas, in many cases breaking gaming industry records for any console platform holder to a point they aren't worried about the competition, which obviously they take into consideration because it's also doing a good job but more focused on other areas. Sony has plans to continue improving and growing that make sense, that aren't very crazy because basically are to tweak, improve or double down on things they were already doing successfully while also testing the waters of some new markets. Pretty much the same successful strategy they did during the whole PS4 generation.
And absolutely none of this has anything to do with PR. This is the topic of discussion. Nobody, including myself has ever claimed that these things aren't happening or aren't important. It's just not the topic. Please...stay on topic.
 

Excess

Member
1. Yes, most articles are designed to bait you with a headline, even if the contents are truthful. Click-bait alone does not mean it is of no substance. Veritasium did a good video on this I suggest you watch.

2. Most of the trivial complaints about PS5 stem from criticism of the product as whole, meaning the sum of its parts.

I often look back at the launch of the Xbox One, which in hindsight, had a single glaring issue: Value per dollar. The XB1 not only had inferior hardware, but it was also more expensive. Microsoft was right, however, on the transition to digital and always-on DRM consoles. Yes, the "nuclear submarine" comments from Mattrick added fuel to the fire, but much of this was just a red herring of the underlying issue.

With the PS5, the issue remains the same. Arguably, the console has parity hardware-wise with XSX, but the value proposition belongs to Xbox at the moment. This is not to say that Sony's upcoming exclusives won't change that, but as it stands, the value per dollar belongs to Xbox, specifically because of Game Pass. Any discussion related to, "I can't change my faceplates" or "the SSD is hard to change" is just a form of confirmation bias or post-rationalization to distract us from the inherent issue I described.

Ignore it. And no, there is no coordination. It's just competition in the marketplace.
 
Last edited:

Thirty7ven

Banned
Last 10 years of console gaming articles in the English speaking world with the Microsoft PR machine working overtime:

1) Sony is doomed
2) Microsoft wil conquer all
3) Basically silence regarding Nintendo

Consistent outcome:

1) Nintendo dominates
2) Sony is doing fine
3) Xbox is struggling

It will of course at some point change but the current narrative is the same as for almost the full last decade. In the end it is all about the games. it is not about business model or hardware - only the games.

Remember when fans were shocked at Xbox One DRM, and then English media started writing “well, PLAYSTATION WILL DO THE SAME!”, or how even though it was inferior hardware and had inferior games most of your journos were still rocking Xbox one as their main console?

The amount of fud pre next gen release, the awful Series launch in terms of software, little to no innovation, and still we had to deal with the narrative that there was more hype for the Xbox, and that PS5 was in trouble.

Remember “Don’t look too much into PS4 sales numbers”. People want to turn a blind eye, but it is what it is. MS floods social media with freebie for a reason, and it’s a testament to PS brand that it’s still not changing the outcome.
 
Last edited:

Jigsaah

Gold Member
There's a releated recent clown thread and article claiming PS5 is doomed because Switch is selling more in Japan and this week dominated the Japanese top 30 boxed games sales ranking.

When looking at the big picture PS5 worldwide is having the best launch any console ever had beating the record set by PS4, console that worldwide holds the record of biggest amount of games sold for a console, is a close 2nd best selling console ever launch aligned, has almost 90M MAU almost 8 years after release, their exclusives dominated the GOTY lists this decade and PlayStation is generating more revenue than any console platform holder ever did.

And well, knowing consoles sales curves cycle it's normal to see them selling less at their launch window and when sunseting, and way more during their sales peak that they traditionally have somewhere around their 2nd-5th year. So putting PS4, PS5 and Switch in that context it's normal to see now Switch having bigger sales numbers than PS5 and PS4. In the same way it will be normal that in the next years PS4 will continue going down and eventually getting discontinue, Switch to continue selling less every year after it leaves its peak, and PS5 going up to reach its peak somewhere its 2nd-5th year and to go down after that.
When you've sold 10m in 10 months...the smaller picture in Japan does not really hold weight, but I get your point. Sure, I suppose you could call that a negative sales hit piece on Sony. But this further supports my point that the hit piece hide or pepper these trivial issues amongst the real problem and to me that betrays the integrity of the whole article, leading me to this tin foil theory in the first place. Again I should say, the theory itself isn't meant to be taken seriously, it's more to spark discussion about the trend itself. Why else would I preface the discussion by mentioning tin foil in the first place.
 

yurinka

Member
And absolutely none of this has anything to do with PR. This is the topic of discussion. Nobody, including myself has ever claimed that these things aren't happening or aren't important. It's just not the topic. Please...stay on topic.
My point is that there's nothing weird in their strategy and they are in a comfortable position and will continue doing their stuff so there's nothing rare on Sony's PR side.

Outside E3 summer is a weak period for gaming news, and now with covid even more because many releases and announcements got delayed. So clickbaity gaming journalists and fanboys need talk about something else, like fake concerns about non-issues to get attention.

When you've sold 10m in 10 months...the smaller picture in Japan does not really hold weight, but I get your point. Sure, I suppose you could call that a negative sales hit piece on Sony. But this further supports my point that the hit piece hide or pepper these trivial issues amongst the real problem and to me that betrays the integrity of the whole article, leading me to this tin foil theory in the first place. Again I should say, the theory itself isn't meant to be taken seriously, it's more to spark discussion about the trend itself. Why else would I preface the discussion by mentioning tin foil in the first place.
Sure, the 10M thing is like Japanese sales: only a small part of the full picture and must be seen inside its full context.

Every person has its own opinion which is mostly defined by the knowledge and experience they have, so maybe there's someone who really believes they are doomed or doing an awful job.

But if you go to the factual data to see what gamers vote with their wallets worldwide, Sony is breaking records with revenue, selling games, DLC/IAP and consoles beyond anyone did before. And their exclusives get well reviewed and win many awards. So I assume it means they are doing a good job and that players generally like their stuff and Sony is doing a great job, even if obviously there's always room for improvement.

So maybe these journalists simply are uninformed journalists and/or have a taste/opinion pretty different to what gamers vote with their wallet. Or simply needs to find a clickbaity headline in a slow news summer during a pandemic and ran out of topics that makes sense to write about and try to find something that catches people's attention trying to spread some fud.

I mean, I saw a thread about an article published today about Sony closing a year and a half ago its VR focused Manchester Studio because after 5 years the studio wasn't able to publish a VR game.
 
Last edited:

Jigsaah

Gold Member
My point is that there's nothing weird in their strategy and they are in a comfortable position and will continue doing their stuff so there's nothing rare on Sony's PR side.

Outside E3 summer is a weak period for gaming news, and now with covid even more because many releases and announcements got delayed. So clickbaity gaming journalists and fanboys need talk about something else, like fake concerns about non-issues to get attention.
Maybe, but what if...

I'm just saying. At some point, they will have to do something. I don't think it'll be a minor thing either. Maybe once COVID dies down. Who knows for sure? I just don't see them taking this type of media coverage lying down forever. Especially if it starts to affect the bottom line. Personally, I think it's a bad strategy to rely on previous good faith stemming from previous success and assume that alone will sustain you without any drawbacks. I dunno, I guess I just hope Sony is still hungry like they were at the end of the PS3 era. That was peak Sony. What we have now is a monolith that largely feels like it can do the minimum and people will not care. That's bad for the consumer. Point-blank period.
 

Kokoloko85

Member
There are PS2 games in the stores of PS4, PS5 and PS Now but many people don't notice because even if frequently requested by people in forums, in reality nobody give a shit about them.

And well, many key PS1, PS2 and PS3 games already got remastered, remade or included in collections in PS4 or PS5 so for people interested on them there's these versions. I assume that they will continue in this way because the work needed to bring them back must be more profitable so I think that for the games they think there's a market for them they will continue that route.

I think it would be great to be able to play inserting any PS1, PS2, PS3 disc on PS5 but I think it won't happen at least this generation. Or well, at least to have more PS2 games on the stores and to add PS1 games too but I don't think there's enough player interest for that. In fact, myself I'd rarely play old PS1 and PS2 games I still have on disk or bought for the portables.

Yeah but the PS2 games list on PS4 is piss poor. Theres like 20? Ive bought most of them.

This is where its at: Well neogaf wont let me copy and paste anything anymore… but the list of PS2 games on PS3 is much better. Theres a list on wikipedia

Yeah some games got remasted but soooo many havent. I just want to be able to play classic playstation games on 1 machine, I had alot on the PS3 like digital devil saga, silent hill, suikoden series, xenogears, chronocross, Persona 4, Vagrant story and loads more.

It must of made some money for Sony on the PS3 and Im sure with the PS4 install base it would make plenty of money selling the old games from the PS3 /PSP AND Vita store. 7 years later the collection would be awesome. PS3 I understand but the others I would love to see them on my PS5.

Yeah Im not too bothered about it not playing the discs, Im more bothered they havent brought over the PS1 and PS2 store. I do play classics and retro games between new releases on the PS5
 

yurinka

Member
Maybe, but what if...

I'm just saying. At some point, they will have to do something. I don't think it'll be a minor thing either. Maybe once COVID dies down. Who knows for sure? I just don't see them taking this type of media coverage lying down forever. Especially if it starts to affect the bottom line. Personally, I think it's a bad strategy to rely on previous good faith stemming from previous success and assume that alone will sustain you without any drawbacks. I dunno, I guess I just hope Sony is still hungry like they were at the end of the PS3 era. That was peak Sony. What we have now is a monolith that largely feels like it can do the minimum and people will not care. That's bad for the consumer. Point-blank period.
They don't care about a few tabloid articles or forum threads spreading fud when their business is breaking historical records.

Looking at the important metrics Sony knows the players are with them and that they are performing better than ever did in several areas (in addition to the ones I mentioned, there are other ones like social media engagement), so I think they won't care if a few aren't happy and are spreading fud or aren't happy. It's impossible to please everybody.

Sony will announce exciting stuff once they consider it's the right time to do it. When they do it, these news get covered everywhere and they achieve stunning numbers on social media and youtube. This will have a big impact, unlike articles moaning about random stuff that almost nobody cares like faceplates.

They registered the PlayStation Experience brand again. So maybe in addition to save hyping stuff for later because they are already selling out all their shipments worldwide in minutes or because games got delayed due to covid, they are also saving stuff for a big event in December, who knows.

And looking at sales, revenue or social media performance, their PR and marketing is super effective and customers love their stuff, or at least spend a ton of money on it/buy it a lot.

Regarding their amount of output and relying in the past, if we look at the exclusives they released since a year ago and the ones they will release in a year from now, they have a ton of quality content, more than Nintendo and MS combined. TLO2, GoT, Morales, Astro, Sackboy, Demon's Souls, Returnal, Ratchet, Guilty Gear Strive, FFVIIR Intergrade, GoTDC, Death Stranding DC, Deathloop, Kena, Horizon 2, Stray, Ghostwire Tokyo, GoWR, GT7, Forspoken, who knows if FFXVI and many others I forget now like cool small indies. Plus they also made other announcements like acquisitions of EVO, Housemarque and Nixxes or that they partnered for future 2nd party games with the creators of Destiny, CoD BO or AC and other top AAA IPs.

A lot of great stuff specially considering it's an intergenerational period and also in the middle of a fucking global pandemic that is killing millions of people around the world. They could do it better? Always. Some people complain for no reason and will continue complaining independently of whatever they do? Too.

Example: today they release GoT DC and it has a Metacritic of 88, which is 5 points more than GoT. But some people is talking about a helicopter VR game they canned a year and a half ago.
 
Last edited:

Jigsaah

Gold Member
They don't care about a few tabloid articles or forum threads spreading fud when their business is breaking historical records.

Looking at the important metrics Sony knows the players are with them and that they are performing better than ever did in several areas (in addition to the ones I mentioned, there are other ones like social media engagement), so I think they won't care if a few aren't happy and are spreading fud or aren't happy. It's impossible to please everybody.

Sony will announce exciting stuff once they consider it's the right time to do it. When they do it, these news get covered everywhere and they achieve stunning numbers on social media and youtube. This will have a big impact, unlike articles moaning about random stuff that almost nobody cares like faceplates.

They registered the PlayStation Experience brand again. So maybe in addition to save hyping stuff for later because they are already selling out all their shipments worldwide in minutes or because games got delayed due to covid, they are also saving stuff for a big event in December, who knows.

And looking at sales, revenue or social media performance, their PR and marketing is super effective and customers love their stuff, or at least spend a ton of money on it/buy it a lot.
You're probably right about them not caring. They can't jump at every attempt of journalists to make them flinch. I also agree that when they decide to speak up, it'll be huge, hence the title of this thread.
 

yurinka

Member
You're probably right about them not caring. They can't jump at every attempt of journalists to make them flinch. I also agree that when they decide to speak up, it'll be huge, hence the title of this thread.
Think also that in addition to the articles we find, there must be thousand of other articles we don't detect around the world.

And well, to jump againt a journalist who said something bad about you generates really bad PR. It's better to ignore them and keep delivering your own games and announcements when ready.
 

yurinka

Member
Yeah but the PS2 games list on PS4 is piss poor. Theres like 20? Ive bought most of them.
Not sure but I'd say they were 59. I remember that there are more PS2 games on PS4 and PS5 (not counting remasters, remakes or compilations) than OG Xbox games on XBO and Xbox Series.
 

HawarMiran

Banned
RESURGENCE???? Bitch, Sony is the Sigma male of this bizz . Xbox is that one dude telling everyone he is ALPHA, but in fact we all know that Sigma Sony is getting mad dick sucked. Remember that hoe

🖐🎤
 

The_Mike

I cry about SonyGaf from my chair in Redmond, WA
Well, I would...but it's definitely not the worst that the articles have mentioned. I like how you don't include the part of the sentence where I clearly state this is an example...that's a strange agenda you have.
I'd expected that you would've mention some of the worst things as an example.

Given my post history in here I'd say you are probably the only one suspecting me for being a PlayStation shill.
 

Jigsaah

Gold Member
I'd expected that you would've mention some of the worst things as an example.

Given my post history in here I'd say you are probably the only one suspecting me for being a PlayStation shill.
You expected wrong. I mentioned what I did to illustrate just how trivial these articles can be.
 
or maybe it's just cause sony ain't been doing too well?

nah, it can't be that! this place won't hear anything negative said about Sony. so of course this all must mean that Sony is to come out kicking ass in the future. surely it has to be that?!?! right?

/s

RESURGENCE???? Bitch, Sony is the Sigma male of this bizz . Xbox is that one dude telling everyone he is ALPHA, but in fact we all know that Sigma Sony is getting mad dick sucked. Remember that hoe

🖐🎤
wow you need to get some sunlight.
 
Last edited:
Top Bottom