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Twitch Source Code Leaked including Creator payout reports

Bragr

Bragr

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ozz ex machina said:
You are talking about 1000 people. Are you aware what a small percentage of people that is? And you've literally highlighted they aren't employed. They have no job security etc.

I cannot wrap my head around how incensed people are to the fact people who are able to get literally 1000s of people to tune in and watch them for hours and entertain them make good money doing so? Do you get offended at people paying 20 bucks to go to the cinema and watch a shit marvel film for 2 hours? That's more offensive to me...but hey I have great taste.

Fucking get a grip lad.
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It's a lot more than 1000, look at the list, combine that with OnlyFans and Youtube and you have hundreds of thousands of people. I don't see what this has to do with the cinema.

Streaming, YouTube, Chaturbate, and OnlyFans are based on scamming tactics, getting money out of viewers that feel they need to subscribe and donate. I'm pretty sure you can classify it as gambling if you look at the neuroscience around it.

It's also their own choice, they shouldn't have job security.
 
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ozz ex machina

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Bragr said:
It's a lot more than 1000, look at the list, combine that with OnlyFans and Youtube and you have hundreds of thousands of people. I don't see what this has to do with the cinema.

Streaming, YouTube, Chaturbate, and OnlyFans are based on scamming tactics, getting money out of viewers that feel they need to subscribe and donate. I'm pretty sure you can classify it as gambling if you look at the neuroscience around it.

It's also their own choice, they shouldn't have job security.
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This is how entertainment has been for 100s of years. Street performers etc. Get a fucking grip. It has to do with the cinema because it's a form of entertainment. If someone brings joy to you and you want to support that. Go for it.

I've subscribed to the odd small streamer because I think what they do resonates with me and I enjoy their content and want to support it. This is not some damning evidence at the collapse of society.
 
MatrixReloaded101

MatrixReloaded101

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Nobody_Important said:
I don't get the salt and anger I am seeing from some people here and on Social Media. If you entertain a shitload of people everyday and/or make your parent company millions of dollars every year then of course you are gonna be compensated for that.


Thats why actors and athletes also make so much. That is literally the way the system has been built to operate.
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Bro, I honestly think most of these people thought these streamers were just complete losers streaming 24/7 because “they enjoyed it”.

I think a lot of people actually donated because they felt sorry for them not realizing they were getting rich off the donations and viewership😆
Bragr said:
It's a lot more than 1000, look at the list, combine that with OnlyFans and Youtube and you have hundreds of thousands of people. I don't see what this has to do with the cinema.

Streaming, YouTube, Chaturbate, and OnlyFans are based on scamming tactics, getting money out of viewers that feel they need to subscribe and donate. I'm pretty sure you can classify it as gambling if you look at the neuroscience around it.

It's also their own choice, they shouldn't have job security.
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A very small number of content creators are making a livable wage on these platforms, if the platforms kick them off or goes down it’s a wrap for their money in most cases… what “job security”. These careers are very short lived when compared to traditional careers. For example, Ninja isn’t going to appeal to his demographic once he gets older and Fortnite isn’t going to always be popular.
 
Dr. Claus

Dr. Claus

Vincit qui se vincit
ozz ex machina said:
This is how entertainment has been for 100s of years. Street performers etc. Get a fucking grip. It has to do with the cinema because it's a form of entertainment. If someone brings joy to you and you want to support that. Go for it.

I've subscribed to the odd small streamer because I think what they do resonates with me and I enjoy their content and want to support it. This is not some damning evidence at the collapse of society.
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Are you really getting pissy and offended that people think these dipshits are getting overpaid and contribute nothing as a result?

Good lord, get a grip.
 
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MadAnon

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There are people who get paid millions to play dumb comic superheroes, dribble/kick ball and people are shocked, angry about this? How's this more crazy than people worshipping, wetting their pants in front of a screen over Avengers and then talk about it on Twitter like everything in the movie is real life: "OMG, did you see how Captein America looked at Black Widow!? I hope they'll bang. They are my favorite heroes!"
 
TheInfamousKira

TheInfamousKira

Reseterror Resettler
skit_data said:
Great representation of how utterly fucked humanity is when we are economically rewarding people playing videogames and screaming more than we fund scientists doing research on how we can save ourselves from ourselves.
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The entertainment industry has always been overpaid. What people don't consider is that there's a lot of different hands in the pot, and the people doing the entertaining are only one part of the deal. The people who provide the platform, the promotion, the distribution, they all get a sizable cut, too. Yours is a similar sentiment to what's been said about Hollywood and the music industry for years, the only thing that's changing is the arena. It's jaded to think that the people subscribing to Amouranth would be forking over their money to cancer research and programs for the homeless if Twitch didn't exist. Entertainment is a privilege, and in the venn diagram of life, it rarely intersects into practical endeavors' circle. That's like saying the caviar trade would be bolstered if there weren't so many McDonald's in the world. Some people have not, and will not ever go buy fish eggs. Some people like the salty soy patties too much.

Your problem IS a problem, but your idea about the source of it is short sighted. We need better education standards and better empathy in society to drive the point home to these people that there are other things worth being invested in. When an alcoholic ruins their family, we don't blame the bourbon.
 
AJUMP23

AJUMP23

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Critical Roles with 37 million. Good in them. I guess they could feed their families but a house and a car with that money.
Now I want to see how the share the money.
 
Bragr

Bragr

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ozz ex machina said:
This is how entertainment has been for 100s of years. Street performers etc. Get a fucking grip. It has to do with the cinema because it's a form of entertainment. If someone brings joy to you and you want to support that. Go for it.

I've subscribed to the odd small streamer because I think what they do resonates with me and I enjoy their content and want to support it. This is not some damning evidence at the collapse of society.
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That's all fine until they start to make millions, then it's not support anymore. It has been like this with performers forever, and it was wrong then too. We are talking about the ones who make big money here, not the small ones.
 
Bragr

Bragr

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MatrixReloaded101 said:
A very small number of content creators are making a livable wage on these platforms, if the platforms kick them off or goes down it’s a wrap for their money in most cases… what “job security”. These careers are very short lived when compared to traditional careers. For example, Ninja isn’t going to appeal to his demographic once he gets older and Fortnite isn’t going to always be popular.
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You misunderstood the job security part. I was replying to the other guy.

If they fear the platform going down, it's on them for not getting a job with job security, people like Ninja already more than he need, it's not on us to support streamers beyond their "good years."
 
BigBooper

BigBooper

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Guess they purged DrDisrespect's history, because I figured he would be on top even though he was banned in 2020.
 
Bonfires Down

Bonfires Down

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Nikocado Avocado before and after he discovered that eating a shitton of food on camera gets massive views.

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Javthusiast

Javthusiast

Banned
kiphalfton said:
Sounds like you're talking about amouranth. Yeah all those stupid inflatable pool videos/etc. make sense. Still doesn't change the fact they're hoes though.
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If I were a hot chick, I would use every platform available to rake in millions in a couple years and live carefree baby. If you have the looks then use those simps up if they are dumb enough to throw money at everything remotely attractive.
 
DeaconOfTheDank

DeaconOfTheDank

Member
Good for them I guess.

Personally, I don't think I'd ever want to be in a situation where my job revolves around playing games. Seems like it would ruin the whole experience for me by turning it into a chore rather than a hobby. A good friend of mine is a streamer making decent cash and all she wants to do in her off time is anything but play video games.
 
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jakinov

jakinov

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Bragr said:
So god damn strange that you can spend 5 years studying, get a great job, work 10 hours a day and still earn less than the 1000th streamer on Twitch.

This is a fucking hobby after all, they aren't employed, it's like the whole system of work and effort is upended by the internet. It's great when people can get a few bucks for entertaining people, but this sort of stuff is just a complete fuck you to everyone who goes to work every day. The system is supposed to regulate this sort of stuff. Same with onlyfans.
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It's not strange at all. Just because you studied something and have a degree doesn't mean any subjectively "good" job is going to pay well. There's a fuck ton of jobs out there that expect a college degree that pay shit. You could be a secretary, an HR rep, or a glorified support associate. There's many jobs that pay better than your average twitch worker. Also, most of the partnered/affiliated Twitch streamers probably aren't making as much as you think. I saw the list of 10,000 streamer payouts. It's across two years and about 8,000/10,000; make over six figures across again two years (maybe less if they started streamlining in the last year). The rest are making great money for sitting around playing video games.

And why is the system supposed to regulate this?
 
Saiyan-Rox

Saiyan-Rox

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kiphalfton said:
Sounds like you're talking about amouranth. Yeah all those stupid inflatable pool videos/etc. make sense. Still doesn't change the fact they're hoes though.
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Honestly the fact she does this stuff on a gaming platform is the worst part about it.
Wanna do this stuff on only fans or whatever then that's fine but twitch? Come on.

That being said she obviously knows what she's doing and where her audience is but the people giving her money are pretty sad people imo and make us look bad.

I will say though she makes my Orbs tingle in a way no one else has but fuck if I'd give her money or watch her streams.
 
Fatbody

Fatbody

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I think it’s worth noting that some of these newer characters like hassan have been routinely featured on the front page/recommended from the get-go of their careers. These guys and girls are rarely a rags to riches story anymore, but rather well connected people that have been carefully curated by Twitch management.
 
Starhowl

Starhowl

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What's going on here? One guy was asking for donations so he could afford a new chair and I just found out he earned like 7.000$ a month on average before taxes?!
 
WitchHunter

WitchHunter

Banned
skit_data said:
Great representation of how utterly fucked humanity is when we are economically rewarding people playing videogames and screaming more than we fund scientists doing research on how we can save ourselves from ourselves.
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Nah, it's a few thousand people who can profit from this. And we have 7 billion peepz on this fuckedup planet. 10 years and they will burn out big time.
 
Bragr

Bragr

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jakinov said:
It's not strange at all. Just because you studied something and have a degree doesn't mean any subjectively "good" job is going to pay well. There's a fuck ton of jobs out there that expect a college degree that pay shit. You could be a secretary, an HR rep, or a glorified support associate. There's many jobs that pay better than your average twitch worker. Also, most of the partnered/affiliated Twitch streamers probably aren't making as much as you think. I saw the list of 10,000 streamer payouts. It's across two years and about 8,000/10,000; make over six figures across again two years (maybe less if they started streamlining in the last year). The rest are making great money for sitting around playing video games.

And why is the system supposed to regulate this?
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There are jobs that pay better than Twitch, and that there is a difference in income among jobs, that's not worth saying.

People fork out more and more cash to streamers because they like them, with no concerns that 10.000 others are doing the same, it's a pyramid scheme with subscriptions and donations that increase by word of mouth but the product stays the same. This is not about what "most earn", this is about what the big-timers earn. There should be cap limits for the massive earners through the system so people can't take millions of dollars from the users, then Twitch should get taxed by their earnings.
 
Vaelka

Vaelka

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Xyphie said:
Fund the revolution comrades
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Seeing people simp for him is just downright embarrassing especially with the strawman arguments against people criticizing him.
Literally no one is fucking saying that he needs to donate all of his money or that he can't own a house, the problem with him is that he's like the most hyper caplitalist dude ever in how he lives and everything he does on top of not using his wealth for good at all.
Down to bragging about sleeping with pornstars and winning the genetics lottery being a vain pretty boy and with an uncle and friends who elevated him.
Dude constantly flaunts his fancy clothes and jewelry and is like the most stereotypical LA pretty boy imaginable, it's so insane that he's like this big political icon.

Not sure if it's because people actually believe that he's some political genius or if they just want to grift off of him.
 
jakinov

jakinov

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Bragr said:
There are jobs that pay better than Twitch, and that there is a difference in income among jobs, that's not worth saying.

People fork out more and more cash to streamers because they like them, with no concerns that 10.000 others are doing the same, it's a pyramid scheme with subscriptions and donations that increase by word of mouth but the product stays the same. This is not about what "most earn", this is about what the big-timers earn. There should be cap limits for the massive earners through the system so people can't take millions of dollars from the users, then Twitch should get taxed by their earnings.
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Unless their intention is to help out or like SUPPORT SUPPORT the streamer. Than it doesn't matter if the the other 10,000 are giving money too. I'm pretty sure most of the income comes from people subscribing to be part of the club, to get the emotes, and the access to things that only subs get. Sometimes donates are just for trolling or attention.

I disagree, the streamers should be able to maximize their earnings. If anything more transparency makes more sense than saying you can't make anymore money after this much. It leads to people not being creative how they can make more money on the platform directly; otherwise they'd just be relying on external things to make money more. Streamers aren't taking the money either. People with leisure cash want to use it because it makes them feel good to be a part of something or in some cases troll/get acknowledgement. And at least with transparency, you can see that the streamer complaining about being broke is really full of shit. These big streamers could just go to other platforms or build their own sites. If users want to keep giving money to a millionaire, I think that's their prerogative. And also as a side note, with a sub based system your idea wouldn't work great. Do all the subs after N get free subs? Do only the first N subs get to be subs?

Also, the product being the same and an increase in marketing/word-of-mouth or whatever doesn't make it a pyramid scheme. A pyramid-scheme literally has no product. Coke, Nike shoes, or even video games the product stays the same but they make more money. Or if we look at music performers who tour with the same songs over and over from decades ago.

Not sure what you mean by "Twitch should get taxed by their earnings". People are paying using taxed income and have to pay sales tax on top. Twitch or Amazon pays tax on all the and corporate taxes on any profits after their bills are paid (unless they reinvest it). There's all the other tax from all the other things Amazon/Twitch has to pay for when they buy shit. And a big part of the revenue Twitch gets goes to their employees, and Twitch being a big tech company in seatle, we are looking at people in the top 3 tax brackets. Then the streamers pay income tax on all their earnings. There's plenty of tax money going around. There's no need to introduce any more taxes.
 
rofif

rofif

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NinjaMouse said:
looks like just over $417k over the last 2 years...

www.twitchearnings.com

Twitch Earnings Leaderboard

This leaderboard shows you how much money the top Twitch streamers have earned from August 2019 until October 2021. The data was made public on 6th October 2021.
www.twitchearnings.com www.twitchearnings.com
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That's nice! Not as crazy as others but wow.
And that is outside of donations and marketing deals?
Just subs ?

TBH. Half a mil is a cost of a house. So not that outrageous. But in 2 years is a fast money
 
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NinjaMouse

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rofif said:
That's nice! Not as crazy as others but wow.
And that is outside of donations and marketing deals?
Just subs ?

TBH. Half a mil is a cost of a house. So not that outrageous. But in 2 years is a fast money
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yeah, I say good on him…he’s super entertaining. I don’t hate on any of these guys, they found a market and tapped it. No shame in that.
 
Nobody_Important

Nobody_Important

“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
TGO said:
No wonder nobody wants a job these days
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Yeah that problem basically has nothing to do with this. Are there people out there who are avoiding a traditional job in the hopes of hitting the lottery and becoming a YouTube star or twitch streamer? Yes of course there are, but the main reason why many restaurants and other retail outlets are hurting for jobs is that in the last year or so people have just gotten sick and tired of trying to work backbreaking thankless jobs for either minimum wage or just barely above the minimum wage meanwhile the companies that they are working for are raking in profits by the billions. And while that is happening the cost of living is rising basically everywhere especially when it comes to rent prices. Add that on to the absolutely insane rates of student loans and the fact that most college degrees are essentially worthless these days and you just have a big old fuck you situation on all sides.


People are just fed up with the bullshit and are holding out for something better. Not trying to become YouTube/Twitch sensations.
 
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AJUMP23

AJUMP23

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How much does it cost to buy viewers, and what is the dollar per viewer payout? I may need to start a thing.

also I don’t know any names of these streamers but what are the hot tub streamers earning.
 
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