Kerotan
Member
They are though in terms of the bigger picture for gaming. Trying to push us all towards a sub based future and buying up major third party publishers and making lots of their content exclusive.
Now sony being pushed the same way.
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Now sony being pushed the same way.
yurinka
Member
Microsoft bought Bungie in 2000, before they made Halo. So MS owned the Halo IP before the first game was published so MS always have been able to do whatever they wanted with Halo, with or without Bungie. Bungie instead can't use Halo without MS's permission. MS allowed Bungie to leave using the same name and kept Halo for themselves because MS wanted. MS was the owner of Bungie and Halo, Bungie wasn't the owner of MS and Halo.
With Activision Bungie had a deal first to publish Destiny (Sony was involved as mentioned today, to make sure it was multiplatform and that they got some small exclusivities) and later another deal to acquire the publishing rights of Destiny 2 and to keep selfpublishing it themselves without Activision being involved.
Now Sony purchased Bungie and placed it under SIE, where now Sony will now own two publishers: Bungie (who will remain multiplatform) and PS Studios. Sony owns Bungie now, so everything that Bungie owns like their their studio, their 900 workers and all current (Destiny) and all future IPs now belong to Sony. So Jimbo can do now with these IPs whatever he wants, with or without Bungie.
Jimbo decided to keep them as an independent, multiplatform publisher inside SIE with full creative freedom, and that Destiny 2 and future Bungie games and new IPs will continue being multiplatform. Sony will bring these IPs to movie/tv shows and will help from SIE and PS Studios in whatever they need, as also happens with the many studios within PS Studios.
But now Bungie belongs to Sony, which means that if Sony/SIE/Jimbo changes their mind they can shut Bungie down, or fire anyone there, to mandate Bungie to change their plans or to use their IPs withtout asking them for permission, or even to sell them. Sony now owns Bungie, so Sony also owns their IPs. Bungie is not independent from Sony anymore, it's a part of Sony.
Swift_Star
Banned
They aren’t. There won’t be new bungie games on Xbox. It’s time to face it.
TheGodfather07
Member
Sony following the Microsoft way. Need to fill a gap? Just buy it!
splattered
Member
Jim only bought Bungie so he can wave them in Phil's face if he ever feels worried in the future about CoD becoming exclusive to Xbox. Everyone knows how much Phil loves Destiny 
Swift_Star
Banned
It means the games will be everywhere but Xbox. It’s not that hard to understand. You can expect the games on pc, not on Xbox.The wording is still confusing to me tbh.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
$3.6B for Destiny. Amazing. I had a hunch they'd partner for Destiny (I said it a few times), but didn't think they'd actually buy out the whole company.
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UnravelKatharsis
Member
It could, absolutely. I'm no Bungie diehard but optics are everything and if Microsoft keeps acquiring devs with no response from Sony, sentiment is going to snowball.
Hendrick's
If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
One can only hope, but that doesn't change what I said.
Swift_Star
Banned
This thread has been a fun read, honestly.
Stuart360
Member
Well i think you're in dreamland there, but we will see what happens.
DJ12
Member
It's likely to cost less on Playstation as they would be offering less stuff. Besides why go to all the trouble to gain access to 100 million + gamers just to make them not want to subscribe to your service. Over charge and people would just buy the standalone version or not bother at all.
Mibu no ookami
Member
For people poking a little fun over the history of Bungie let's take a look at this.
They were bought by Microsoft and made a generation defining game in Halo.
Microsoft forced them to JUST make Halo games, which they didn't want to do. They wanted to work on other IP.
They bought their way out of Microsoft.
Bungie though isn't a HUGE company. Games are becoming more expensive to make and riskier to make.
Bungie made a deal with Activision to publish their games, but they didn't realize they were making a deal with the devil.
They got out of the deal and said they wanted to self publish going forward, but that takes money they don't have. They got 100 million from NetEase to help fund development.
They've now made a deal that ensure that not only can they self publish but they can take significantly larger risks. While not a part of PlayStation Studios, they do belong to SIE as a separate publisher and partner. SIE can fund a AAAA game from Bungie and try and compete with COD, so even if COD becomes Xbox exclusive, this AAAA game can become the top shooter on the market across all platforms. Who benefits from this? Sony, because these are Sony dollars. Bungie can also use Sony Group's companies like Sony Pictures to leverage their IP into other media. It's a win win for everyone, but especially for Bungie.
They were bought by Microsoft and made a generation defining game in Halo.
Microsoft forced them to JUST make Halo games, which they didn't want to do. They wanted to work on other IP.
They bought their way out of Microsoft.
Bungie though isn't a HUGE company. Games are becoming more expensive to make and riskier to make.
Bungie made a deal with Activision to publish their games, but they didn't realize they were making a deal with the devil.
They got out of the deal and said they wanted to self publish going forward, but that takes money they don't have. They got 100 million from NetEase to help fund development.
They've now made a deal that ensure that not only can they self publish but they can take significantly larger risks. While not a part of PlayStation Studios, they do belong to SIE as a separate publisher and partner. SIE can fund a AAAA game from Bungie and try and compete with COD, so even if COD becomes Xbox exclusive, this AAAA game can become the top shooter on the market across all platforms. Who benefits from this? Sony, because these are Sony dollars. Bungie can also use Sony Group's companies like Sony Pictures to leverage their IP into other media. It's a win win for everyone, but especially for Bungie.
splattered
Member
Bungie themselves have already directly stated very plainly that this acquisition in no way affects Destiny or any future game titles that they will make period. This includes the possibility of any major dlc skin or map crap that Sony likes to pull. This acquisition by Sony only really gains them access to bungies experience making games as a service titles so they can make some of their own that have nothing to do with Bungie.
ethomaz
Banned
Insomniac didn’t have any IP worth of 50 million players.
Jaguar Victory
Member
I don't have the energy today but I'm going to let the others on the board explain to you how Sony has spent ungodly sums to reduce competition and to buy exclusives.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Maybe not. Probably not. The current situation is status quo with Destiny 2.
As for future games, I don't think Xbox gamers really care. Bungie takes forever to make even one game. Unless they are hard at work with a secret game in development ready to launch soon, it's going to be more Destiny 2 DLC for the next 3 years. And even if they did want to play it, a PC port will probably surface.
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Stuart360
Member
lol its all evil Microsofts fault, Sony are being forced into it. They have never done stuff like this before have they.
Subscriptions and services is the future, hense all other entertainment. Hell in 20 years time our lives will be subscription based lol. Get with the times and take your fanboy hat off.
I know. Amazing deal.
Jaguar Victory
Member
Yeah, I don't buy that for a second. Unless they're using that as leverage against COD.
Varnish La PS
Member
EDMIX
Member
but you are saying this based on last gen sizes, not next gen only titles....
When that becomes the default, then we can look back at that data to see where it goes. Even I stopped downloading lots of shit during the PS4 generation as the sizes were massive, but it would be dumb as shit at the VERY START to just think based solely on LAST GEN GAMES that I'd be downloading all the time, simply cause a last gen, cross gen game had a small file size.
It doesn't make sense.
You'd be saying something wild in 2013 about cross gen games like "man this game has a download size of 24 GB, looks like I'm digital only broz"
Only to not know you'd see 100BG fucking games CAUSE THEY ARE NEXT GEN ONLY.
So you need to factor that, people are not going to be so giddy to just download something they can't sell, at $70 when they are 200GB games bud. Until that is factored, I can't say some trend would 100% continue unchanged as even I download based on size, when those sizes get bigger and games get more expensive, I have no ode to spend more on a game I can't sell, pay more for a ISP to get the game that I can't sell faster, to fill up a HDD in which the game can just be installed from a disk anyway. That is how I purchase and I don't believe I'm alone in that.
kingfey
I don't disagree with you regarding that Disney partnership, but that would be a megaton fanfiction deal lol
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Thirty7ven
Banned
Incredible studio with an incredible history and a mega franchise in Destiny.
I like where Sony is headed.
I like where Sony is headed.
TheGodfather07
Member
Jim Ryan saying "expect more". the acquisition wars are in full swing now!
SLB1904
Banned
Japanese companies are very family-oriented, i don't think the problem is money. more like I'm an expert of the Japanese culture
yep. they probably got a few and are just waiting for the right time... same goes for ms
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Hendrick's
If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
Sweeney has a long and public history of animosity with Microsoft.
Bombolone
Gold Member
Fukin love it.
My heart has grown three sizes this Winter.
Bungie is a smart acquisition for Sony. They have tried the Multiplayer scene a couple of times, with no real success. Very risky genre to tackle atm.
Bungie has the talent and potential.
This year is going to be crazy for announcements.
My heart has grown three sizes this Winter.
Bungie is a smart acquisition for Sony. They have tried the Multiplayer scene a couple of times, with no real success. Very risky genre to tackle atm.
Bungie has the talent and potential.
This year is going to be crazy for announcements.
Kerotan
Member
Nope. Sony never bought a publisher.
RafterXL
Member
This does fill a need at Sony, so seems like a good get. As for whether or not they'll still release on Xbox, I couldn't care less. Bungie stopped mattering to me once they started removing paid content from their games because they don't understand how to develop a persistent game.
Gavon West
Spread's Cheeks for Intrusive Ads
We do know if Microsoft passed. There's a tweet on it. In fact, Microsoft passed on the offer several times as the asking price was too high. But, yes. Theyve spoken about acquisitions many times.
When I say, "too high," of course I'm not saying Microsoft couldn't afford Bungie. They just didn't feel they were worth the asking price.
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DJ12
Member
Maybe. But you and others are doing some mental gymnastics to convince yourself it won't happen.
Microsoft like money they will make more with more platforms. This is a fact.
No bigger other platform than PlayStation for them to make a play for.
Surely you accept that gamepass is not a console selling trojan horse? PC being day and date tells you that.
kingfey
Banned
PS games need money to develop. Those money comes from 3rd party sales. MS wont agree to their 1st party games only. They will want full package.
Stuart360
Member
Well PC users have no problem with it, we have been pretty much digital only for what?, 15 years or so?.but you are saying this based on last gen sizes, not next gen only titles....
When that becomes the default, then we can look back at that data to see where it goes. Even I stopped downloading lots of shit during the PS4 generation as the sizes were massive, but it would be dumb as shit at the VERY START to just think based solely on LAST GEN GAMES that I'd be downloading all the time, simply cause a last gen, cross gen game had a small file size.
It doesn't make sense.
You'd be saying something wild in 2013 about cross gen games like "man this game has a download size of 24 GB, looks like I'm digital only broz"
Only to not know you'd see 100BG fucking games CAUSE THEY ARE NEXT GEN ONLY.
So you need to factor that, people are not going to be so giddy to just download something they can't sell, at $70 when they are 200GB games bud. Until that is factored, I can't say some trend would 100% continue unchanged as even I download based on size, when those sizes get bigger and games get more expensive, I have no ode to spend more on a game I can't sell, pay more for a ISP to get the game that I can't sell faster, to fill up a HDD in which the game can just be installed from a disk anyway. That is how I purchase and I don't believe I'm alone in that.
Game sizes havent really gone up at all this gen so far, including the 'next gen' only games.
And again, i'm talking in another 6 or 7 years. I signed up for fibre about 3 years ago, 150mb/sec, which was pretty much the best none business internet you could get in the UK, now i can upgrade to 1tb/sec for £5 more a month, whihc i will do when i move.
There is going to be a cut off at some point, there has to be, thats just the way it goes, like on PC.
IMO if game sales are over 90% digital on average by the end of this gen, the next consoles wont have a disk drive.
I Love Rock 'n' Roll
Member
Why Bungy? Sony is embarrassing itself and us!
Stuart360
Member
No they just buy excusivity for endless number of games over the years. And dont kid yourself, if Sony could afford it they would be all over these publishers, and you know it.
Kerotan
Member
Permanently?
splattered
Member
I wouldn't be surprised if that helped seal the deal in Sony's eyes.
PhaseJump
Banned
Define evil and give us examples.
Good luck selling people on Xbox gamers don’t care. It’s not like there isn’t tons of posts and comments from them trying to downplay the brilliance of this deal, or sometimes forgetting Destiny even exists by reminding us they aren’t the same people who made Halo 20 years ago. With one single announcement everyone who knows shooters went from wondering how can Sony possibly nail a shooter with stellar gun play within only a couple years, to “Oh, that’s how they’re gonna do it.”
Shmunter
Member
Buying timed exclusivity = injecting funds into a project
Could mean a number off things, project would never have gotten off the ground in the first place -or- project budget increases as does the quality of the end game
alb@tros
Neo Member
Agree. And also PlayStation studios can use bungie techs and expertise for their games
They needn't necessarily offer less content. The 3rd party games could still be offered via GP but with appropriate compensation to Sony.
I'm not talking about a very high price, just considerably higher than that on Xbox. They could partly achieve that by reducing or freezing the Xbox price.
Something like $10 a month on Xbox or $20 a month on PlayStation would still be pretty good value for PS gamers, but potentially still tempt them to move to Xbox. I'd pay that.
Mibu no ookami
Member
Never heard of Psygnosis?
Hendrick's
If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
Things learned today:
- Organic is better, but sometimes you just need a Big Mac
- Bungie is the town pump
- The cold war is heating up
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DJ12
Member
Rofl.
Yes you are right, Sony only make money from third party sales and MS would definitely be keen to give other people money so they can their games away on a platform they already have to give someone a cut from.
They don't even give all third party games away on pc, but you are adamant they will want to do this on playstation?
PS gamepass when/if it happens will not include any games not made or published by Microsoft.