THE DUCK
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There's also quite a few on this forum that have a ps5 and just want to dabble a bit with gamepass, they chose the S to keep costs down, form factor, second tv, etc.
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Xbox - Series S or X?
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There's also quite a few on this forum that have a ps5 and just want to dabble a bit with gamepass, they chose the S to keep costs down, form factor, second tv, etc.
Gavon West
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I am chill. I said in my post that Series X power is objective. That means it's irrefutable. Fact. Non fiction. Empirical data supports the claim.
I don't care for 4K. I can take it or leave it in games. 1080p or 1440p is more than enough for me, as is the memory. That's just me though...
Topher
Gold Member
Oh....then XSS suits your personal preference. Ok....nothing wrong with that.
Rambone
Member
As an owner of both, absolutely the X. The 299.99 option is compelling but what ends up happening is that you only have room for about 2-4 series games with the 360gb (give or take) of available space and THATS it. The expansion SSD for the Series will cost you $220 for the 1TB version which at that price, the cost of the Series S and the 1TB expansion SSD would be putting you at the cost of a Series X anyway but with the Series S you get a pretty substantial downgrade in hardware and features. IMO not worth it unless you simply can't find an X, refuse to save up for an X or your dick is so hard for next gen that you can't wait.
I use my Series S as a secondary system for the living room. I play a lot of Xbox One games on it that are installed on an external hard drive so that I have room for a few Series Games that I play frequently. Not having enough space gets old really fast, real pain in the ass. I leverage xcloud quite a bit for gamepass titles so I can save on space, although xcloud is a hit or miss but I do really appreciate it on the Series S.
I use my Series S as a secondary system for the living room. I play a lot of Xbox One games on it that are installed on an external hard drive so that I have room for a few Series Games that I play frequently. Not having enough space gets old really fast, real pain in the ass. I leverage xcloud quite a bit for gamepass titles so I can save on space, although xcloud is a hit or miss but I do really appreciate it on the Series S.
NeonGhost
uses 'M$' - What year is it? Not 2002.
Because you’re stuck with that series s you can upgrade your pc
Hoddi
Member
You're overthinking it. This is ultimately a class struggle where the lower middle-classes are holding their $500 consoles over the heads of the working class who can only afford $300 consoles as a means of exerting their authority over them.
It's either that or a dumb console war but I think everyone here is above that.
Rambone
Member
In the console world you are dealing with fixed experiences where games are generally bespoke to your hardware and everyone is on a level playing field for the most part outside of pro models of hardware. In this case the Series S and Series X present two very different outcomes to how a game can potentially be experienced beyond just a drop in resolution with the S. The Series S can be seen as crippling when you have games that are running at 30fps vs 60fps on the X. The Series S can also be seen as crippling as some games running on the S are missing many graphical effects and enhancements that the X version of the game might offer. IMO the Series S should have more parity with the X power wise to retain all the bells and whistles while comfortably running at 1080/1440p w/ 60FPS.
THE DUCK
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100% untrue, I sell the S used in about 30 mins and buy an X.
NeonGhost
uses 'M$' - What year is it? Not 2002.
It’s more about the devs having to support it
Hoddi
Member
You can upgrade an S for way less than the cost of upgrading a PC.
It's like half the people in this thread don't pay any bills in their households the way they complain about a few hundred dollars. My Series S cost me the equivalent of three months of Internet which is fucking trivial.
Rykan
Member
Or you can just buy an X in the first place and not have to deal with both the loss from having to sell it used and having to deal with the far lesser performance.
THE DUCK
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Same argument applies to a 3060 vs a 3070.
THE DUCK
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Probably the most overblown thing of all. They are already creating a PC version in most cases, which means they are already programing for millions of possible configurations. One more fixed platform is the least of their worries.
THE DUCK
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In a perfect world sure, and that was the goal at first. But hitting the budget trumped it, and lets face it, the cuts they did make were carefully considered. The machine is very good at running games overall at it's target resolution with a lot of modern features intact.
Rykan
Member
...which is exactly why you don't buy a 3060 first to replace it with a 3070 later.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Get an X unless you really need to save $200 and can live with digital downloads on a 512gb SSD (probably more like 450 gb after the OS eats some up). Remember some games like COD and GTA are giant and can take up almost half your SSD. And you dont care about 4k gaming.
Series S is basically a small step up from PS4 Pro and One X. And in some ways worse (no optical drive and half the storage space). And I think some One X games even have better res than Series S.
S is a good boost over Xbox One and PS4 though as you'll get some 1080-1440p gaming, better frames, and sometimes RT.
Series S is basically a small step up from PS4 Pro and One X. And in some ways worse (no optical drive and half the storage space). And I think some One X games even have better res than Series S.
S is a good boost over Xbox One and PS4 though as you'll get some 1080-1440p gaming, better frames, and sometimes RT.
THE DUCK
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Oh brother, if price were no object to everyone, lower priced cards wouldn't even exists. We don't live in a fantasy world. So what exactly do you tell someone who is building a pc NOW, they should go play tiddledywinks for a year or two until they can afford a 3070? Ridiculous.
This is literally the most common PC upgrade path out there, low to mid range cards bought now, low to mid range cards upgraded later. Just check steam hardware listings.
THE DUCK
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I think that's the key that's often missed, it's not people like us with PS4 pro's and Xbox One X machines that upgraded mid gen buying them for the most part, it will be people who had a regular xbox on or PS4, for them it's actually a substantial upgrade.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Yup.
I said it in another thread where people were talking S/X. If I had a choice between keeping my One X or trading it in for a Series S, I'd keep my One X. I know S is better for some things over One X, but it has a 4k drive (for my 4k movies, so I don't have to buy a 4k player), 1 tb drive, and I dont give a shit about RT. Series S with SSD speed and many games running at 60 fps would be a loss though.
I did dump my One X though..... and got Series X.
Rykan
Member
You don't upgrade from a 3060 to a 3070 in the vast majority of cases. You're arguing from a position that is so hyper specific. What kind of person can absolutely not afford 170$ more for a RTX 3070 now but is perfectly capable of spending another 500$ on an RTX 3070 later down the line on top of the 330$ they already spend on the RTX 3060?
That just makes no sense.
Yea people upgrade, but generally they upgrade in larger leaps. If you want to upgrade from a 3060, you'll probably look for a 3080 or wait until the next generation of cards arrives.
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THE DUCK
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If you buy something like a 2060 or a 3060, you either upgrade to the higher number or buy the next gen version later. Either way you are stepping in a certain point. You could even argue the 3080 is "gimped" compared to a 3090, who decides?
And I don't know where you live but the gap between a 3060 and a 3070 that you can actually buy is more like $250- $300.
And either way, it completely negates your point of "just buying the better model" to avoid having to upgrade in the first place. Everyone has to jump in somewhere, it's not up to you what's best for everyone.
Rykan
Member
No it doesn't "negate the point" in any way or form. Nobody who is buying a 3060 now is going to upgrade to a 3070 down the line UNLESS they are in a situation where they can only find a 3060 and they have enough cash to spend. Anybody who has the budget to buy two GPU's for a relatively minor upgrade has the budget to just buy the 3070 outright.
I'm going by the actual MSRP of the cards. Prices are currently inflated because of the shortage which is yet another reason why your comparisson isn't a good one.
Comparing it to GPU performance just doesn't work that well. If you buy a 3080 or even a 3090, you're going to be playing all games maxed out for years to come. You're basically buying it for extremely luxurious options such as 120hz/4k or 240hz gameplay. The price difference for those two cards, which is JUST THE GPU, is several hundreds of $
Meanwhile the difference between a Series S and a Series X is losing access to entire features, being forced to play at 30 fps in some cases, no 4k, much smaller SSD and no diskdrive for only 200$. The price/performance ratio between a Series S and a PS5: DE is even worse.
Buying a Series S only to upgrade to a Series X is downright stupid if we're talking about a situation where both consoles are equally available.
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scarlet0pimp
Member
Nothing wrong with the S but it's made for smaller older TVs 1080p or small 4k models.
Your scenario needs a Series X
Your scenario needs a Series X
DarkMage619
$MSFT
How many XSS games are 30 fps while the XSX version is 60? In most cases if it is 30 on the XSS it's because the developer chose to not take advantage of the hardware. There is no reason for the XSS not to match framerate.
Rykan
Member
Yes, it must be those crappy developers just not being good enough at their jobs. I'm sure it has nothing to do with the specs.
Banjo64
cumsessed
If you can list 20 games that are 60fps on the X and only 30fps on the S I’ll buy you a cookie.
vaibhavpisal
Member
Frame rate is bound by processor. Which is same in both consoles.
Series S always have solid frame rate in my experience.
dcmk7
Banned
To be honest there shouldn't be a single one, the marketing claim that the XSS was designed to have the exact same experience just at a lower resolution have fallen way, way short.
Can't keep blaming developers at some point have to look at the hardware they have been provided.
Knightime_X
Member
Any other choice outside of Series X will be a regretful one.
THE DUCK
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Your notion that you read the mind of every potential PC card buyer is massively flawed. First of all, they may have the money, but don't want to spend it on GPU. If they play at 1080P/1440P they may find a 3060 just fine.
Second, you have zero idea how long someone will keep a card. MSRP is also meaningless unless we are actually selling at them, which we are not.
Of course it's the same, 3060 to 3070 or 3080 to 3090, all of them have similar feature sets up as you go up you get faster frame rates and resolution. By your almighty declaration though, you can decide to go from 3060 to 3070, but then 3080 to 3090 is magically maxed out? So better tell nvidia then, no reason to sell a 4080, I mean after what you said, nobody will buy one, they will be playing maxed out for YEARS on their 3080 or 3090. You really have no idea what you are talking about.
There is barely any loss of "features" from X to S. Both play games, both do it pretty well. It depends on what a person values, and I hate to break it to you, not everyone values things the same way you do.
Lastly, I can't even agree with the last point. If someone has just enough money now, and wants to play some xbox games NOW, there is really no issue with buying an S for now with the intention of getting an X later. Yes they will lose a bit when they sell the S, but so what, in the meantime they get to play xbox game and or perhaps access gamepass, something they could not do if they buy nothing.
Ridiculously arrogant post by the way, there are people on this board who have bought an S with the intention of buying an X later, you just called them all stupid.
THE DUCK
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Oh here we go, lets bring on the double standard again. Are you upset with MS And Sony for not hitting 60fps on all of their 4K games? How many games are at 120fps? 8K anyone?
Riky
$MSFT
You've only got to go back to the likes of the Halo Infinite analysis to see all the same people crying and trolling about Series S and the lack of the 120fps mode, that now it has, so it wasn't the hardware after all.
The point of Series S seems to confuse most people as seen in this thread, as the DF breakdown said, it's a brilliant designed machine.
The size, it's silent, the cost and the fact it normally draws less than 80w in gameplay is remarkable, nothing else comes close. As for holding things back, you've only got to look at the Steam hardware survey and then the appearance of Steamdeck to see how transparent that argument is.
Shmunter
Member
Core consoles are the baseline. Now with a 4tf minnow being the best selling next gen Xbox, there is nothing to celebrate for anyone that is enthusiastic about these things.
Riky
$MSFT
It's on the same GDK as the PC, the ones in the Steam survey that have to be targeted for sales, plus now Steamdeck.
So until that baseline shifts above Series S which won't be any time soon, I think we'll be ok.
Shmunter
Member
Oh so now pc is holding back the high end consoles?
Don’t invoke vfxveteran or there will be trouble.
Riky
$MSFT
Oh so now pc is holding back the high end consoles?
Don’t invoke vfxveteran or there will be trouble.
Lower end PC parts don't seem to actually hold back high end systems, I'm sure there is another scenario we can apply that to here.
We will have to see once this gen finally hits its stride with multiple current gen titles only. When game targets around 1080p 60fps on x and ps5, going 30 fps might be the path of least resistance at least for 3rd parties.
Shmunter
Member
Sure they do, the games are scaled up in rez and iq quality. This is not a targeted approach. With this line of thinking consoles never were the baseline then either. On balance it’s all been scaled from the weakest and largest install base.
If a dev were to design a 1080p game for series x with all the fruit, scaling it back to S would take more work. Work, is time, is money and is the impediment to many things going ahead.
So instead design needs to straddle both sides of the fence to cover both bases, and more often then not fall within the bounds of the lowest to ensure quality there.
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Rykan
Member
Just because I don't play along with your incredibly flawed argument by focusing on a hyperspecific scenario doesn't mean that I claim to "read the mind of every PC card buyer". The fact you're comparing a single component and that GPU aren't being sold at MSRP right are yet more reasons as to why your comparison between GPU's and an entire system is incredibly flawed.
You really are clueless, aren't you? A 3080 and 3090 will indeed run games at maximum settings for years to come. A 4080 will let you possibly play at even higher resolutions or even higher framerates, but all of those cards will play games at the maximum settings. Trying to argue that the difference between playing a game on a system with an RTX 3070 to an RTX 3080 is just as big as the difference between a series S and Series X is laughable. It's a completely different price to performance ratio.
Again with the stupid hyperspecific hypothetical scenarios. "But what if someone has just enough money to buy a Series S now but then later he will win the lottery and thats when he can buy a series X and..."
If the "People on this board" bought a series S with the intention of buying a Series X because they couldn't find a Series X, then sure. Nothing wrong with that. If it's not because they couldn't find one, then it was incredibly stupid.
I, too like to come up with random criteria just so I can hold onto the notion that developers like Eidos Montreal are incapable developers. This comment isn't going to age well by the way, you'll start seeing a lot more 30 FPS only modes on Series S once cross gen titles stop being a thing.
Framerate is not exclusively bound by processor, who the heck told you that?
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Riky
$MSFT
It's nothing to do with weakest, publishers look at sales so your game has to work on the systems people actually own to get sales, that's the base and we have the stats on what PC owners actually own, that is on the same GDK.
Direct Storage isn't even a requirement yet, that's how far we have to go to raise that baseline, so like I said we're going to be fine for a long time.
Hoya Destroyer
Member
Generally I only buy a new console every 5-6 years. For this reason, I decided to splash out and buy the X. Thus far, Ive been really happy with it.
Banjo64
cumsessed
No cookie for you.
Nocturno999
Member
S only if you can't afford a SX long term. There are too many technical advantages and even more storage on a SX.
dcmk7
Banned
XSS should have everything that XSX titles have just a lower resolution, you don't agree?
Moving the goalposts to deflect away from that very single point doesn't help anyone.
BigbyTheSheriff
Member
Get whatever console you can afford. X is obviously the superior choice, but Series S is still a very impressive little machine, especially If you game on a 24'' monitor or some other 1080p display.
Storage might a problem, but then again, I have like 15 games installed including Forza Horizon 5, Plague Tale, Grid Legends, Jedi Fallen Order, and still 20 GB left. You want to expand? You don't need that official expansion card - just get whatever external HDD/SSD and keep your games there. Transfering them takes couple of minutes.
Storage might a problem, but then again, I have like 15 games installed including Forza Horizon 5, Plague Tale, Grid Legends, Jedi Fallen Order, and still 20 GB left. You want to expand? You don't need that official expansion card - just get whatever external HDD/SSD and keep your games there. Transfering them takes couple of minutes.
BlackTron
Member
The marginal benefit of a Series X over a Series S for $200 is really extreme. The storage space and processing power bump is INSANE for the extra $200 value, to the extent that it will rarely seem like a great idea compared to getting an X. Sometimes perhaps, but not usually lol.
On the other hand. The cost/benefit analysis of a 1060/2060 vs 3070/3080 is entirely different. Maybe you don't want to pay a grand for extra frames in League of Legends. In depends entirely on the context of your situation. We are talking a really nice $500 console vs. a $300 gimped version, but I would never say "dude you are still on a 1060, why not get a 3080 it's only an extra like 800 dollars" LOL.