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DF: The Last of Us Part 1 PS5 vs The Last of Us Remastered PS4 Pro - Improvements Detailed!

GPU, CPU , Tempest compute performance and I/O hardware possibilities are nothing without the memory bandwidth, and Ps5 with it´s 448 GB/s config has a clear deficit.

The development probably start before they finished the upgrade of the engine for part 2, so basically is a Ps4 engine with some adjustments running with brute force on Ps5 hardware.

Eventually they will make a better use of the hardware over time, but they need a engine completely adapted to the Ps5 to really take advantage of all of those specifics tecnologies, and that will take much more time.
Main memory bandwidth can be heavily optimized on console, I wouldn't worry. Just look at Insomniac games, Demon's souls or how well Death stranding runs on PS5 at near native 4K.

The problem I see is: Are they actually optimizing the game on PS5 or they simply port the PC code?
 

Sosokrates

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Nah, dude, you're reaching. There's no way people will play the ps4 version with outdated graphics on the ps5. This makes no sense at all and you know this.
The new version supports everything ps5, it's the shiny new thing and, again, the game will be bundled with the ps5 going forward. I know you're really trying hard because we know who you are, but you're just plainly...
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This remake will not flop regardless the amount of CONCERN being displayed on GAF.

I dont know if it will flop. I dont know how much they are spending on it.
I would be surprised if it sold more then 1mill in its first month.
Frankly i dont care if it flops or not (its weird u are caring about business concerns). I don't think its a great idea because id rather have new content from naughty dog. Im really looking forward to there MP project.

How many casuals do you think are going to run out an get a PS5 (if they can even get one) and TLOU remake?

Apart from the very hardcore TLOU fans, I dont know who else is going to buy this.

TLOU remastered has been out like 8yrs, you think theres a bunch of people who have been waiting all this time for a potential remake of TLOU2 quality?
 
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Swift_Star

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I dont know if it will flop. I dont know how much they are spending on it.
I would be surprised if it sold more then 1mill in its first month.
Frankly i dont care if it flops or not (its weird u are caring about business concerns). I do t think its a great idea because id rather new content from naughty dog. Im really looking forward to the MP project.

How many casuals do you think are going to run out an get a PS5 (if they can even get one) and TLOU remake?

Apart from the very hardcore TLOU fans, I dont know who else is going to buy this.

TLOU remastered has been out like 8yrs, you think theres a bunch of people who have been waiting all this time for a potential remake of TLOU2 quality?
Bunch of them, specially, as I said a few times already and you're ignoring it, this game will be bundled with the console.
Why are you pretending this isn't the case? Why are you pretending ND won't heavily market the game WITH the TV show?
What version do you think will be on the physical stores on display with NOW A NEW MAJOR HBO SHOW stick on it?
What version do you think will be displayed (already is displayed in fact) with BIG LETTERS on PS Store front screen?
What version do you think will be shown in tv and youtube ads?
People won't favor the old version, this will simply not happen. Give up.
 
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played it in 2013 when it came out, amazing game. no complaints. one and done. no need for me to play a story i already beat.

idk how ppl double dip or triple dipbc of FPS and graphics.
 

SlimySnake

Flashless at the Golden Globes
Main memory bandwidth can be heavily optimized on console, I wouldn't worry. Just look at Insomniac games, Demon's souls or how well Death stranding runs on PS5 at near native 4K.

The problem I see is: Are they actually optimizing the game on PS5 or they simply port the PC code?
How spiderman and ratchet are running at native 4k 45-60 fps with RT reflections is beyond impressive. Optimization is key. Even GG just turned HFW's awful performance mode into a beautiful game with a very clean IQ just by optimizing without ever increasing resolution.

I dont think ND is porting down from PC. My guess is that they are limited by the PS4 engine and just didnt have time to optimize it for the PS5. Horizon and GOW PC ports show how these PS4 engines were CPU bound on PC maxing out one core while under utilizing all other cores and threads. I wouldnt be surprised if TLOU2 was the same especially since ND pushes A.I and animation far more than GG, Insomniac and SSM.

I almost wish they just move to UE5 and work on optimizing that instead. The Matrix demo is also very poorly optimized, CPU bound and doesnt multi-thread properly. If ND can work on UE5, they can make games much faster instead of waiting for their own tech to mature.
 

Sosokrates

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Bunch of them, specially, as I said a few times already and you're ignoring it, this game will be bundled with the console.
Why are you pretending this isn't the case? Why are you pretending ND won't heavily market the game WITH the TV show?
People won't favor the old version, this will simply not happen. Give up.
Well if its a bundled with a console of cause that will increase the number of people who play it. So what?
I think most people interested have already played TLOU recently. TLOU2 is one of my favourite games and even I am not excited for TLOU remake bacuse i played tlou remastered in anticipation for TLOU2.

but this is all beyond the point.

The point is I would rather ND use there time on new content, rather then a game that is fresh in most TLOU fans minds.

Answer this, Do you think TLOU remake is a better use of ND's time then new content? Or even a remake of an older game of theres?
 

GermanZepp

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That would at least have taken another year to optimize for PS4 and wouldn't look much different from the remaster.
Yes it would. The remaster is a improved ps3 game. This part 1 in a ps4 with the updated engine of part 2 would look a lot better, minus resolution and framerate.
 

TBiddy

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Are they releasing a new version of a remastered version of a PS3 game? Or am I misunderstanding this? Or are they releasing a PS5 version of a PS3 game?
 
Are they releasing a new version of a remastered version of a PS3 game? Or am I misunderstanding this? Or are they releasing a PS5 version of a PS3 game?

It’s not a remaster. Think of the game being remade with The Last of Us 2 engine. So expect new assets to be used.
 

DeepEnigma

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Main memory bandwidth can be heavily optimized on console, I wouldn't worry. Just look at Insomniac games, Demon's souls or how well Death stranding runs on PS5 at near native 4K.

The problem I see is: Are they actually optimizing the game on PS5 or they simply port the PC code?
I believe he is saying that.

The bandwidth isn't as massive like on a PC for the pushed to the max on PS4 gen engine, so this is possibly the 'brute force' of it with some obvious optimizations (just like I believe there will be a native TLoU2 app to follow).

Once they start utilizing the engines specifically made for (and taking advantage of) all those bells and whistles in the machine, we will see better results.

At least how I read it.

They are not "bandwidth starved" tinfuddery, the machines are designed to work with all systems they have in place, with the budgets they allotted for. Us forum dregs don't know more than the architects that built them when we spew borderline trolling shit. This goes for both MS and Sony.
 
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Topher

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It's almost as if people don't age, and new people aren't born every gen and come into age.

More potential TLOU fans every single day.....
 

Sosokrates

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Are they releasing a new version of a remastered version of a PS3 game? Or am I misunderstanding this? Or are they releasing a PS5 version of a PS3 game?
They are remaking the last of us(a ps3 game), bringing it up to TLOU2 visual quality at 60fps for PS5 and PC
 
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TBiddy

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It’s a remake that uses the new engine. Don’t think of it like the remaster on PS4.

Roger that. Not that I mind, though. Still waiting to find a PS5 available near me.

Lol CatLady CatLady here quietly Liking any posts that say anything negative about PlayStation games that he never has played or will play.

You're just showing your insecurities by even being in these threads.

Weren't you the one proclaiming the "commercial bomba" of Starfield the other day, now that we're talking about showing insecurities?
 

deriks

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Honestly, If I didn't see a comparison, in my memory... the PS5 Remake is what I remember it looking like in the PS3 days :messenger_grinning_sweat:

I think that happens a lot, to a lot of ppl. We always remember things much nicer/better than they actually were.
I played the first Shenmue saying that was the shit, nowadays is like "well... is not that bad"
 

ChiefDada

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GPU, CPU , Tempest compute performance and I/O hardware possibilities are nothing without the memory bandwidth, and Ps5 with it´s 448 GB/s config has a clear deficit.


But I feel like you're making the same mistake DF made when analyzing Cerny higher clock benefits by not accounting for what the coherency engines were designed to do - amplify bandwidth, similar to goal of infinity cache (although maybe smarter since die space isn't consumed?) Basically, you can't compare PS4 220 GB/s to PS5 448 GB/s because efficiency should theoretically be much higher. As an example, IC max effective bandwidth for RDNA 2 cards is 2-3x iirc. To what extent these coherency engines are being put to work on released games is anybody's guess.
 

Sosokrates

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It's almost as if people don't age, and new people aren't born every gen and come into age.
Well sony has always cared about the children 😆

Sony knows that TLOU remastered is simply not up to the high visual standard of these young gaming newcomers.
 
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CatLady

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Lol CatLady CatLady here quietly Liking any posts that say anything negative about PlayStation games that he never has played or will play.

You're just showing your insecurities by even being in these threads.

First of all it's she although I'm sure you already know that.
Second I DID play the game and I even thought it was decent, but this 3rd iteration in 3 generations going for $70 looks to me like nothing but a ridiculous money grab made even more ridiculous by how excited the Sony faithful are to pay it a third time.

I would rather express myself in a Sony thread with only emojis rather than shit up the thread making a ton f negative posts like you love to do any Xbox thread.
 

IDWhite

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Yep. The bandwidth being the bottleneck is something ive brought up before, but I then look at the 6600xt which is 10.7 tflops and has just 256 GBps of vram bandwidth and is able to run games like Guardians of the Galaxy way better than the PS4 in its performance mode. I know the CPU has access to the DDR4 system ram but last gen games dont really tax the CPU bandwidth much.

And yes, Jason said that the game started development at around 2018 as a side project for a support studio that just wanted to bring TLOU up to date with TLOU2's engine. I had just hoped that once ND took over the project in 2020, they wouldve increased the scope if not improved the engine to take full advantage of the PS5 IO since they are using this remake as a stepping stone to learn the PS5 architecture. I wouldve expected those architectural performance gains two years into the gen. Right now, both TLOU2's BC patch and this next gen PS5 only sku are running at the same resolution and framerate. Let's hope they are using the remaining horsepower improving the visual quality beyond what we saw in TLOU2. Just give me E3 2018 graphics and I will be happy.

Well to make it clear enougth the 6600xt has a 32MB of cache that Ps5 don't have, plus Ps5 has the tempest engine wich completely relies on memory bandwidth, but anyway PC and console hardware and software is not 1:1 case comparison.

Main memory bandwidth can be heavily optimized on console, I wouldn't worry. Just look at Insomniac games, Demon's souls or how well Death stranding runs on PS5 at near native 4K.

The problem I see is: Are they actually optimizing the game on PS5 or they simply port the PC code?

Yes they could optimize bandwidth dependent processes but that implies make a lot of custom code that will take much more time than cut in quality o directly don't implement wathever they are pretending to do. We are seeing that last approach much more common now on other big studios. Will see how they tackle that situation.

They are porting a Ps4 game code to PC and Ps5 maybe adding with some slight improvements . On future projects will see if it's PC to Ps5 port or vice versa.
 
Roger that. Not that I mind, though. Still waiting to find a PS5 available near me.

Easiest way to think of this is if they were to make the game again but with the new engine and assets. I agree it’s not the same as something built from the ground up for PS5 but it’s much better than a simple remaster.

I know I got confused when I first heard about this.
 
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I played the first Shenmue saying that was the shit, nowadays is like "well... is not that bad"
I bought a Dreamcast for that game, but never actually had a chance to play it back in the day... a thing called the PS2 came out.

But I just remember all the possibilities that ran thru my head about that game. The idea of that game from reading all the news about it, fucking blew my mind. I thought I was going to give me the most accurate depiction of living in Japan, being in Japan. It was my ultimate game. I refuse to play it to this day, I don't want the version of the game in my head to be ruined!
 

Sosokrates

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I mean, we have people even on here that won't play older looking shit. 🤷‍♀️

Indeed. You dont think new original content would be the better option though?

But not to bestow this thread being limited to only "negative or positive" takes.

I will say It will be nice seeing TLOU with TLOU2 quality visuals and the tlou2 A.i and animations are tons better then TLOU remastered.

But selfishly i just wish it was not a game so fresh in my mind. I played half of it on PS3, I completed it on ps4/ps4 pro.Afterall story is such a huge part to what makes ND games so great.
 
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Gameplay improvements are being added,theres a reason.
no its not a good enough reason to replay a story i already beat... its still the same game i played in 2013 with upgrades, same outcome

FPS, Graphics , and new gameplay elements are not a good reason to buy an old re-released game..

but you guys do you
 
Indeed. You dont think new original content would be the better option though?

But not to bestow this thread being limited to only "negative or positive" takes.

I will say It will be nice seeing TLOU with TLOU2 quality visuals and the tlou2 A.i and animations are tons better then TLOU remastered.

But selfishly i just wish it was not a game so fresh in my mind. I played half of it on PS3, I completed it on ps4/ps4 pro.Afterall story is such a huge part to what makes ND games so great.

New games are coming don’t worry.
 

Corndog

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Never mind, there actually are comparison shots. Looks like they recreated TLOU 1 in TLOU 2 engine and called it a day. Naughty Dog used to push the hardware to its limits. Now they just want to push this game before the show drops. No bueno.

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It would cost a lot more to entirely remake it.
 

Sosokrates

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I'd rather not. It would probably be "Lev's struggle."

This was in the cards due to the show.
You pefer remakes over new original content?

What would be wrong with a spin off about Lev? fans of TLOU and naughty dog would love that.
 
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Topher

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First of all it's she although I'm sure you already know that.
Second I DID play the game and I even thought it was decent, but this 3rd iteration in 3 generations going for $70 looks to me like nothing but a ridiculous money grab made even more ridiculous by how excited the Sony faithful are to pay it a third time.

I don't see what's ridiculous about being excited for the remake. A lot of we "Sony faithful" think of this game as one of the greatest ever made. Xbox fans don't get it, but that's why they are Xbox fans and not PlayStation fans. Nothing wrong with that either.
 

ACESHIGH

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I smell a Twin Snakes situation with this remake if the combat scenarios and enemy behaviour are not modified. Snake had a lot more tools to go over shadow Moses which made the game a walk in the park
 

IDWhite

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But I feel like you're making the same mistake DF made when analyzing Cerny higher clock benefits by not accounting for what the coherency engines were designed to do - amplify bandwidth, similar to goal of infinity cache (although maybe smarter since die space isn't consumed?) Basically, you can't compare PS4 220 GB/s to PS5 448 GB/s because efficiency should theoretically be much higher. As an example, IC max effective bandwidth for RDNA 2 cards is 2-3x iirc. To what extent these coherency engines are being put to work on released games is anybody's guess.

Yes I have taken it into account. And I know what you are saying. They aid to use make a better use of bandwidth but if I remember correctly these coherency engines and cache scrubbers are completely automated, not programable. In other words devs don't have control on that. In theory, the console software already uses this custom hardware..
 

Sosokrates

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We are not arguing what I prefer, I was being cheeky about what the expansion would be about (going by the first game's expansion).

What we are arguing, is why this exists.


There's a thread for that.
Yeah u are you just said you rather they dont do a Tlou2 spin like lev struggle.


And this thread is about a brief analysis of the visual difference between tlou remastered and remake.
 

SlimySnake

Flashless at the Golden Globes
What improvements? FPS?
Have you not been paying attention? They are bringing all the TLOU2 gameplay improvements to this game. Better mechanics, combat, animations, A.I and possibly even weapons.

It's basically TLOU with TLOU2's combat and graphics.
 
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