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sol_bad
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DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
That was the culture of the time. Just like how it was for women in America in the early to mid 20th century
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
It really isn't, don't let the same one, two users posting long walls of text deter you from watching arguably the best Predator movie since the second one.
ZehDon
Member
I actually quite enjoyed this. Probably tied for my second favourite of the series, with Predator 2. I thought it told a pretty good story effectively, and had some really great scenes and moments. It was also more bloody than I was expecting, given it's on Disney+. I was ready for a pretty tame film, and yet it had some pretty good kills. A solid 7 or 8 or eight of ten that more than earns a place among the best of the series.
Side note: I don't really understand people calling it "woke", or other such non-sense. There really wasn't painfully awkward scenes where the filmmakers were clearly pushing an idea with the subtlety of a sledgehammer. It just has a female lead. I don't recall anyone tell Naru "girls don't hunt" in that almost-90s-bully kind of bullshit we get these days - it was simply that she wasn't all that good at hunting, as evidenced by the scene at the start of movie where she fails to kill the deer. I think people are inventing boogeymen.
Solid film, easy to recommend.
Side note: I don't really understand people calling it "woke", or other such non-sense. There really wasn't painfully awkward scenes where the filmmakers were clearly pushing an idea with the subtlety of a sledgehammer. It just has a female lead. I don't recall anyone tell Naru "girls don't hunt" in that almost-90s-bully kind of bullshit we get these days - it was simply that she wasn't all that good at hunting, as evidenced by the scene at the start of movie where she fails to kill the deer. I think people are inventing boogeymen.
Solid film, easy to recommend.
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The culture was to ignore signs of danger because a girl noticed them?
Yeah, gonna need some receipts.
sankt-Antonio
:^)--?-<
I think the movie would have been better if it focused on the brother, first he and his tribesman are depicted as super good hunters, killing a lion with ease, than they go about and start the hunt for the predator, focusing more on the cat and mouse angle. They could use the French settlement as bait to try and catch the predator, to finally have a confrontation that is written in a smarter way.
The whole "Im a girl and I can hunt too" didn't add anything worthwhile to the movie. There is a fucking alien in the forest nearby, who cares about gender norms in that situation.
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Yep. Her selfish attitude and obsessive need to prove herself is the thing thst gets people killed.
sol_bad
Member
Ummmmm
No.
The predator would have eventually come across their village and wiped anyone out holding a weapon. She helped save people by defeating the predator before it got to their village.
After her brother defeats the lion, she tells him there is something else out there but he doesn't believe her. Everyone was celebrating his lion kill completely unaware that there is something else out there.
The next morning we see all the women start gathering. She says something like "If they don't see, we'll show them" and she decides to head out on her own to confront what she saw.
The fact is, the predator would have come across her tribe whether she did or didn't leave that morning. She didn't cause any deaths, the deaths were inevitable.
That's not what I mean. In the real world, her attitude would get people killed. But it's a movie and she's got plot armor so her stupid choices end up okayish in the end.
Also, in the real world, a good tracker (her brother says she is) would be taken seriously when she warns of danger
I guess what I'm getting to is that this movie is very poorly written at times.
IDKFA
I am Become Bilbo Baggins
Right. In Comanche culture, the men took on the more physical roles (warfare, hunting etc) because they're physically stronger/faster, where's women took on the role as caregiver, because women are far more empathetic then men. This has been the case with almost every single culture throughout history, and still the same in a majority of cultures now.
This film just did the whole "woman wants to show she's just as good as/better than men" trope.
Good film by the way. Absolutely better than the last Predator film. Would like to see future films tackle different time periods, such as Edo period Japan or England during the 14th century.
Stitch
Gold Member
I guess he means on Hulu!? It was in Dolby Vision on Disney+ since Day1.
This is all wrong. Initially the predator was close to the village, where they found the snake was close enough that her brother could carry her knocked out ass back to the village and still go out to get the lion and bring it back the next day. By the end round the trapper settlement it took Naru well over 2 days (she camps out on the middle) to get there.
So by the shows logic, the pred was moving away.
Plus by the end EVERY target of the pred was dead anyway, the village had only the lion wounded guy, kids, women, and old men left, none of which have ever been traditional pred trophies.
Naru most definitely lured her village to its death by refusing to listen to her brother. The film is about her pride and the destruction it causes.
sol_bad
Member
Who's to say she was walking in a straight line when she headed out to find the predator. All we know is that she is looking for it, not the geography that she walked. She could have walked in a circumferential manner.
We don't know the geography that the predator walked either.
Her pride and the destruction it causes.
LMMFAO
That's your fanwanking to build a narrative to fit your bias.
In the film, as depicted, she is out longer and longer between predator encounters. You think that trapper settlement is right next to the Indian village? They are CLEARLY moving farther away as shown in the film.
Ulysses 31
Member
This HeelvsBabyface YTer must've been looking at your posts last couple of pages since he brought up most(IIRC) of the points you did about Naru in Crital Drinker Open Bar 21
:- Just wonders off to hunt without informing her tribe
- Disregarded her important role in the tribe
- Had to be woken up each time to do her duties
- Got the men killed
- Only looked at the women in the end
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DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
That's not what I said, dude.
Well, I mean if you look past your bias to excuse poor performance because it's a woman or POC and just use an objective standard applied equally to everyone then these flaws are glaring.This HeelvsBabyface YTer must've been looking at your posts last couple of pages since he brought up most(IIRC) of the points you did about Naru in Crital Drinker Open Bar 21
- Just wonders off to hunt without informing her tribe
- Disregarded her important role in the tribe
- Had to be woken up each time to do her duties
- Got the men killed
- Only looked at the women in the end
Not inexcusable of course, flaws are good for a character, but they should be acknowledged within the film and can be discussed outside of it without the need for kneejerk emotional responses.
Prey is inoffensive. The movie suffers from bad pacing and abysmal CGI. I also need to download a torrent to see if my local stream is censored because the gore was oddly subdued.
The setting hooked me but I am still baffled by Predator rules. The movie makes it look like the predator is lower tech for believability. Predator still shows up in a space ship and spends most of the movie fucking people and animals up with super advanced tech.
Fortunately the lead does a good job keeping the audience invested. She has an actual character arc where her character develops and grows from her failures. The story may be telegraphed heavily but it's a fun enough watch.
My rating is a solid 5/10. Prey is a fun movie to kill some time watching. It's the type of movie you watch when you just want some simple well put together fun. I don't think Prey qualifies as woke.
The setting hooked me but I am still baffled by Predator rules. The movie makes it look like the predator is lower tech for believability. Predator still shows up in a space ship and spends most of the movie fucking people and animals up with super advanced tech.
Fortunately the lead does a good job keeping the audience invested. She has an actual character arc where her character develops and grows from her failures. The story may be telegraphed heavily but it's a fun enough watch.
My rating is a solid 5/10. Prey is a fun movie to kill some time watching. It's the type of movie you watch when you just want some simple well put together fun. I don't think Prey qualifies as woke.
RAÏSanÏa
Member
After watching 2 again I'd have to agree.
Their boogeymen is their own little political dance they throw down disingenuously but it just requires looking at the basics of the dance steps to get what they mean with their woke generalization
In many cases it comes down to an either/or:
It's either white or woke
It's either men or woke
It's either straight or woke
Those responses have become so expected and typical now that they're given little credit from objective bystanders who recognize them.
Which is an interesting development of audience self determination with regards to this film. They're not taking them at their word and, as you and others show, there is plenty of pushback against that narrative.
The way the movie continues to hold the consciousness of many is an incredibly high compliment to its endurance. So many films are just flash in the pans, this movie is developing into something of a watershed moment in flimmaking and fandom.
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poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
I think you just have to look at human hunters to get a sense. You could have one guy using GPS, wireless cams set-up everywhere, and a high powered rifle with a scope, and another guy using a traditional bow and his awareness of the surroundings.
I don't think predator tech advanced between Predator 1 and 2 for example, just that they chose weapons based on their expected prey and the level of challenge they wanted.
Ah,lol. Didn't have my reading glasses on, missed the bolded.
Don't agree though, but I don't have time for that discussion now.
TaylorSwiftFan
Member
The movie was a bit silly and it was woke. The main character was a Mary Sue - fights 3 men and defeats them. Is smarter than anymore, can track better than anyone, apparently is the only one who can heal people, has the ability of avoiding being eaten by lions. The only cool scenes were the ones where the predator was doing the killing.
Ulysses 31
Member
Part of being a Mary Sue is being good at everything or learning everything real quick and getting showered with praises, that doesn't happen in Prey though, she fails a couple of times, we see her training and her tribe is apathetic to her most of the movie.
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
Despite multiple people in this thread who HATE wokeness actively stating that the movie is NOT woke...
Yet every scene you mentioned is LATER in the film ... AFTER she gets her butt kicked, can't hunt for ish ...
She gets better through practice!
And not once did anyone in the movie say she's better than everyone else... And her MOM, who's in the movie and still alive, is the one who taught her healing... Multiple people are shown to be competent hunters and fighters. Nothing she did was ABOVE what others did.
F0rneus
Tears in the rain
You can't really call a character a Mary Sue, when she has to spend 2/3 of the movie growing from her multiple failures and learning via experience. Even after learning how to use a gun, she still manages to fail even firing it.
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DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
Either some people semi watched the movie and came to the "woke" conclusion based on bits and pieces OR they get their talking points from outrage YouTubers
VN1X
Banned
Huh? It said so on Disney+ when I was streaming already though?
ManaByte
Gold Member
Hulu wasn’t in HDR in the US.
NecrosaroIII
Ask me about my terrible takes on Star Trek characters
Pretty much. She fails multiple times before she's able to succeed
VN1X
Banned
Toons
Member
No, it's just that for many, mary sue has ALWAYS met "female is competent in literally any way and steps foot out of the kitchen for longer than 60 seconds"
Nah, nothing that blase. True Mary sues are far worse.
I bet there are tons of...Marty sean's(? Whatever the male version of a Mary Sue is) but they are all in the world of romance novels. Typical perfect guy that is shredded, rich, superb lover, sensitive but assertive, vulnerable but not broken, etc. But that is a genre most of us don't engage in.
It's just in a male genre like action combat stuff that a female character already starts off a few laps behind and when they are poorly written it's more obvious.
Alex11
Member
Yeah, I never said nor does it seem to me that the movie is woke - ugh, I hate this word, I don`t even use it - or that she`s a Mary Sue, but based on the general opinion that this movie is the best since the original, I`m comparing the two heroes.
It`s a fairly big discrepancy between them, you have Dutch who`s a buff soldier with tons of combat and combat strategy experience, who at the end of the movie is reduced to a toy for the Predator, he wins the fight by mostly luck.
And then you have Naru, who has zero experience in combat, and at the end it`s almost vice-versa.
Doesn`t mean that I didn`t like the movie if I criticize it, or that I`m an idiot, racist or God knows other label, it`s the opposite, I liked it, some things were very good, but excepting the cinematography, it pales in comparison to the first, That`s just my opinion.
It`s a fairly big discrepancy between them, you have Dutch who`s a buff soldier with tons of combat and combat strategy experience, who at the end of the movie is reduced to a toy for the Predator, he wins the fight by mostly luck.
And then you have Naru, who has zero experience in combat, and at the end it`s almost vice-versa.
Doesn`t mean that I didn`t like the movie if I criticize it, or that I`m an idiot, racist or God knows other label, it`s the opposite, I liked it, some things were very good, but excepting the cinematography, it pales in comparison to the first, That`s just my opinion.
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sol_bad
Member
Nah, my comment wasn't aimed at you. There are some people here who love to infest every modern popular culture thread and virtua signal how anti woke they are.
Ulysses 31
Member
6 hours and counting breakdown of the movie
Ouch, seeing the final battle nearly frame-by-frame and how makes the predator look...
edit: Taabe is the MVP
Ouch, seeing the final battle nearly frame-by-frame and how makes the predator look...
edit: Taabe is the MVP
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Vaelka
Member
About the whole woke stuff I think people take it too far too.
It's like with modesty too and the hypocrisy with how male actors ( like Chris Hemsworth ) can waddle around in the nude and be blatant fanservice and no one acts like it's bad.
But then a womans butt in a tight suit or a topless scene and suddenly it's a gigantic social issue and she's '' being objectified and sexualized ''.
No one talks about men that way even tho they're clearly being sexualized, and even tho many of them have spoken out about actually being uncomfortable with it too ( remember Jon's actor in GoT, he was uncomfortable with it and how people talked about him ).
Much the same with action too people will put women under a microscope in ways they won't with male characters.
The only thing that bothers me about this really isn't what I'd necessarily call '' woke '' I'd just call it obnoxious pandering.
And it's in scenes where like everything stops and the women look at each other and gives a smug smile while nodding to each other in acknowledgement.
It just feels obnoxious and completely unnatural and weird, and it's not something guys even do in movies or show in that same way.
In GoT it happened a lot in later seasons and it did get on my nerves because it feels like your intelligence is being insulted and like there's a total lack of subtlety.
Feels like it's breaking the fourth wall and is trying too hard.
Same with some stuff in the latest The Boys season where they quite literally reference BLM and do the whole '' supes lives matter '', it's not subtle at all and it's too real.
And that's saying something because Stormfront wasn't subtle at all, but even she didn't come across as on the nose.
I think this is the major problem I have really, when filmmakers/ showrunners decide to portray and film things in ways that feel totally unnatural or is just a direct irl reference.
I dunno if this is really a problem in this movie, I haven't watched it.
I've only heard about one scene that sounds like it's like this.
And yeah if that's true then it's obnoxious and I wish they stopped doing that because it's totally unnecessary, doesn't actually add anything and it makes it feel performative and like it's trying too hard.
And it also feels like a lack of confidence on their side, that they don't trust the audience or the characters to communicate things so they need to quite literally have the characters imply it in the least subtle way ever.
It's like with modesty too and the hypocrisy with how male actors ( like Chris Hemsworth ) can waddle around in the nude and be blatant fanservice and no one acts like it's bad.
But then a womans butt in a tight suit or a topless scene and suddenly it's a gigantic social issue and she's '' being objectified and sexualized ''.
No one talks about men that way even tho they're clearly being sexualized, and even tho many of them have spoken out about actually being uncomfortable with it too ( remember Jon's actor in GoT, he was uncomfortable with it and how people talked about him ).
Much the same with action too people will put women under a microscope in ways they won't with male characters.
The only thing that bothers me about this really isn't what I'd necessarily call '' woke '' I'd just call it obnoxious pandering.
And it's in scenes where like everything stops and the women look at each other and gives a smug smile while nodding to each other in acknowledgement.
It just feels obnoxious and completely unnatural and weird, and it's not something guys even do in movies or show in that same way.
In GoT it happened a lot in later seasons and it did get on my nerves because it feels like your intelligence is being insulted and like there's a total lack of subtlety.
Feels like it's breaking the fourth wall and is trying too hard.
Same with some stuff in the latest The Boys season where they quite literally reference BLM and do the whole '' supes lives matter '', it's not subtle at all and it's too real.
And that's saying something because Stormfront wasn't subtle at all, but even she didn't come across as on the nose.
I think this is the major problem I have really, when filmmakers/ showrunners decide to portray and film things in ways that feel totally unnatural or is just a direct irl reference.
I dunno if this is really a problem in this movie, I haven't watched it.
I've only heard about one scene that sounds like it's like this.
And yeah if that's true then it's obnoxious and I wish they stopped doing that because it's totally unnecessary, doesn't actually add anything and it makes it feel performative and like it's trying too hard.
And it also feels like a lack of confidence on their side, that they don't trust the audience or the characters to communicate things so they need to quite literally have the characters imply it in the least subtle way ever.
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
Basically.
Romulus
Member
Where was the progression? Throwing axe at tree, kill rabbit, then destroys 3 armed men accustomed to war on the new frontier? Or was there something between?
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Toons
Member
Her progression was her learning from observing the actions of the predator and how it fought, and learning new technology, and learning the lay of her surrounding to use the trap she fell into against her enemy.
Considering those three dudes were a bunch of fat middle aged slobs I'm more than willing to accept she could best them.
strange headache
Banned
The movie was better than the last few, but still kinda meh. Some nice visuals and scenery shots, but the first part of the movie dragged on way too long. The seemingly "authentic" portrayal of Comanche culture is somewhat ruined by the silly and clichéd French fur traders and their formulaic exposition.
The action felt really flat and was hard to follow. The final showdown was just ridiculous. The Predator comes across as rather weak, stupid and reckless and watching him take on the regular wild life is just no that interesting. The bomb scene was also dumb. The CGI really rubbed me the wrong way (especially the bear scene).
The original movie is just an insanely suspenseful testosterone-fueled action romp, but this movie feels nothing like it and still falls far from the mark.
I really liked the dynamic between Naru and Taabe even if the movie lacks in characterization and tends to turn its protagonists into mere plot devices. When the Predator starts to kill her Comanche brethren, you really feel nothing because you barely know them. The acting is also not very good and Naru seems barely fazed by the crazy stuff that she witnesses.
But hey, compared to the formulaic Marvel dreck, Prey is still an enjoyable movie. It's just that action movie standards have dropped so much, that we started to believe this is an amazing movie, when in reality it is just great in comparison to the previous movies. At least it tried to be its own thing, but I feel like that movie could have gotten much closer to greatness had it truly dared to get rid of the dialogue altogether.
Leave out the Predator and you basically have a worse 'The Revenant'.
The action felt really flat and was hard to follow. The final showdown was just ridiculous. The Predator comes across as rather weak, stupid and reckless and watching him take on the regular wild life is just no that interesting. The bomb scene was also dumb. The CGI really rubbed me the wrong way (especially the bear scene).
The original movie is just an insanely suspenseful testosterone-fueled action romp, but this movie feels nothing like it and still falls far from the mark.
I really liked the dynamic between Naru and Taabe even if the movie lacks in characterization and tends to turn its protagonists into mere plot devices. When the Predator starts to kill her Comanche brethren, you really feel nothing because you barely know them. The acting is also not very good and Naru seems barely fazed by the crazy stuff that she witnesses.
But hey, compared to the formulaic Marvel dreck, Prey is still an enjoyable movie. It's just that action movie standards have dropped so much, that we started to believe this is an amazing movie, when in reality it is just great in comparison to the previous movies. At least it tried to be its own thing, but I feel like that movie could have gotten much closer to greatness had it truly dared to get rid of the dialogue altogether.
Leave out the Predator and you basically have a worse 'The Revenant'.
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mansoor1980
Gold Member
who is the bigger challenge for the predator?
funkygunther
Banned
who is the bigger challenge for the predator?
If only there were a couple of moving pictures we could use to better answer your question.
mansoor1980
Gold Member
funkygunther
Banned
VS
better?
No those are gifs
mansoor1980
Gold Member
what is a moving pic?
funkygunther
Banned
A motion picture might be a better way of saying it
mansoor1980
Gold Member
funkygunther
Banned
Why do you want that?