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[DeepEnigma]

This you?

Is it really so hard for you to read opinions that are different from your own that you just add people to your block list?
My block list is very small, and I only add people there that I find to be hypocrites or two faced.


I don't understand how this point is lost on anyone who argues otherwise. lol

I don't block anyone, personally.

And why?

"cannibalisation of buy-to-play sales (especially of new releases)"

People really need to stop pretending marketing agreements really have a big impact on whether third party games come to Game Pass or not. Any game that gets a marketing agreement does so because they want to maximize sales. Essentially what Activision says here.

It's a lying ass fanboy FUD narrative to try to paint one mega corp super altruistic and a victim to the lesser mega corp.

 

[Thirty7ven]

Yeah, that's how I read it too.

EU has concerns regarding the impact on PlayStation and Google's PC OS. Sony and Google haven't signed any deals that Ubitus and Boosteroid made. That's why Microsoft's offer does not include those.

It’s so weird that people are acting like the last few weeks didn’t happen. That somehow EC moving on to their concerns about cloud means that’s the only thing they are concerned about. Yet just weeks ago people were saying EC didn’t care about cloud, and MS was only addressing their console/pc concerns.

 

[Bernardougf]

Already talking about MS acquiring Konami/Capcom etc at Era lol and people wanna pretend this is about leveling playing fields, fanboys are quite the animal

With xbox long list of mismanagement of studios and piss poor performance in the last several years.. anyone that really likes gaming should be frowning upon MS acquiring stablished studios/publishers with beloved IPS

Anyone that have memory and two brain cells knows of MS past market strategies to mantain dominance on certain areas and should also be at minimum worried about they finally unleashing said practices on the games industry with the full power of their trillions windows dollars

The rest ? Is fanboys too stupid or blind to see the train rack coming a mile away

 

[Elios83]

It’s so weird that people are acting like the last few weeks didn’t happen. That somehow EC moving on to their concerns about cloud means that’s the only thing they are concerned about. Yet just weeks ago people were saying EC didn’t care about cloud, and MS was only addressing their console/pc concerns.

Some people want to read whatever they want.
And unfortunately being fostered by pseudo influencers and twitter personalities that tell them what they want to hear doesn't help either.
They think that EU is going to accept whatever Microsoft offers, if it was so simple they wouldn't have delayed their final decision already twice.

 

[Helghan]

You disagree with what? The facts I stated?

I disagree that this is OK and not a dick move from Sony.

 

[Bernoulli]

I think both reports can be correct at the same time.

People like FossPatents are jumping to the gun (as usual) and implying that "The EC has apparently narrowed its concerns to cloud gaming. Sony overplayed its hand there."



But the Mlex report doesn't indicate anything about this. It only says what MS has done (focused on cloud gaming because that's the type of deals they have been able to make with smaller cloud gaming providers, e.g., Boosteroids and Ubitus).

It does not mean that EC has changed or made its focus to only cloud gaming. They may still have concerns regarding consoles that MS may not have addressed.

i stopped believing anything he said after seeing this, he twists any kind of news to make the deal go trough

 

[Thirty7ven]

i stopped believing anything he said after seeing this, he twists any kind of news to make the deal go trough

Jeez… ANOTHER ONE?

What is up with these people good god

 

[Banjo64]

I don't block anyone, personally.

 

[Mr Reasonable]

But doesn't that also apply to the next PlayStation?

What if PS6 is notoriously difficult to develop for? What if Sony never releases a PS6? What if TLOU Online releases in 2023 and becomes more popular than Call of Duty?

Why is there a 10-year contract then that guarantees COD releases on PlayStation?

This is just a cop-out by Microsoft. If there can be a 10-year contract, there can just as easily by a "forever" agreement, unless they have ill intentions of pulling COD as soon as the 10-year period is up. And that's the reason why they first offered a 3-year contract, then a 5-year contract, and just now a 10-year contract when the going got tough.

I would say that the chances are that whatever is being planned for the next round of hardware is probably fairly easy for both Sony and Microsoft to predict, and perhaps that was not a great example, the point is that no business can make a pledge like that forever, you'd have to be crazy to think that asking for the game to be available forever through every iteration of Sony's hardware no matter what they do is reasonable.

It's not a cop out, I'd say it's a really reasonable commitment. If they'd bought Activision ten years ago, they'd be talking about releasing games on PS3, PS4 and PS5.

 

[Topher]

It's a lying ass fanboy FUD narrative to try to paint one mega corp super altruistic and a victim to the lesser mega corp.

You'd think after seeing Microsoft follow Sony's lead with $70 games and price-boosted bundles that folks would realize that these companies engage in the exact same behavior.

I disagree that this is OK and not a dick move from Sony.

Well, it doesn't really matter if you think it is a "dick move" if you don't have a good understanding of what it is. Sounds to me like you just want to call it a "dick move" for the sake of calling it a "dick move".

 

[DeepEnigma]

You'd think after seeing Microsoft follow Sony's lead with $70 games and price-boosted bundles that folks would realize that these companies engage in the exact same behavior.



Well, it doesn't really matter if you think it is a "dick move" if you don't have a good understanding of what it is. Sounds to me like you just want to call it a "dick move" for the sake of calling it a "dick move".

No, no, you see. Because "Sony did it first this time around."

Even though it was Activision. It's always Activision. Ironic.

 

[drganon]

Already talking about MS acquiring Konami/Capcom etc at Era lol and people wanna pretend this is about leveling playing fields, fanboys are quite the animal

The acquisition begging never ends.

 

[jm89]

Some people want to read whatever they want.
And unfortunately being fostered by pseudo influencers and twitter personalities that tell them what they want to hear doesn't help either.
They think that EU is going to accept whatever Microsoft offers, if it was so simple they wouldn't have delayed their final decision already twice.

Would you believe me if i told you some people thought the CMA would approve this with no remedies?

Idas expects CMA to approve without remedies.


https://www.resetera.com/threads/th...e-right-to-put-cod-on-ps.633344/post-98577454

 

[DeepEnigma]

Would you believe me if i told you some people thought the CMA would approve this with no remedies?

 

[Topher]

Would you believe me if i told you some people thought the CMA would approve this with no remedies?

 

[splattered]

If that's the case i think you need to switch your avatar DeepEnigma

 

[DarkMage619]

They are weak precisely because they tried to extinguish too soon with the Xbox One.

And no, they are not good guys now, they are in a new embrace period.

How many bing points did you get for this reply btw? I hear if you ask about psygnosis 5 times in a week you get a free month of Live Gold.

I said nothing about good guys. Business is business but I am saying your narrative about them extinguishing anything is complete nonsense. Why you keep bringing up Psygnosis God knows maybe you get more PlayStation Stars points. (Am I doing this right?)

 

[DeepEnigma]

I said nothing about good guys. Business is business but I am saying your narrative about them extinguishing anything is complete nonsense. Why you keep bringing up Psygnosis God knows maybe you get more PlayStation Stars points. (Am I doing this right?)

 

[splattered]

Wow goal posts are shifting already... you can feel it in the air haha

"But the CMA said!" "But the EU said!" "But the FTC said!"

As i said...

 

[Topher]

Wow goal posts are shifting already... you can feel it in the air haha

"But the CMA said!" "But the EU said!" "But the FTC said!"

As i said...

 

[Banjo64]

"But the CMA said!" "But the EU said!" "But the FTC said!"

 

[Elios83]

Would you believe me if i told you some people thought the CMA would approve this with no remedies?

Not hard to believe when the previous mega thread about the acquisition even here was called "The FTC could approve the acquisition by the end of summer 2022"
Unfortunately there are people online that are disconnected from reality, they just jump from one twitter personality to an other, the only thing that matters is that they're being told what they want to hear.

 

[wolffy71]

Haven't followed this too closely the last day or so.

What's this about?

 

[Bumblebeetuna]

People still arguing for “forever contracts”

The hoops people will jump through. If “forever contracts” were a thing then why don’t they already exist for some franchises. Why don’t they exist in other things. Why do sports stars sign five year deals if they plan on playing another fifteen? Why do content providers sign one-three year deals with Netflix if they still plan on existing and providing content after those three years.

MS doesn’t really need to provide jack squat but they’re doing so to make it obvious they are treating CoD like Minecraft.

 

[Topher]

Haven't followed this too closely the last day or so.

What's this about?

Just SenjutsuSage making shit up again.

Sony has a deal preventing Call of Duty games from going onto Game Pass for a number of years. It seems to include the franchise itself and not just specific newly marketed games. Sony's deals and behavior are helping Microsoft fight for this merger. I don't even have an issue with Sony's deal making, but don't come crying about it when Microsoft fairly uses evidence of those deals when trying to acquire gaming assets. I'm okay with FF16 never coming to Xbox, along with many other games. Business is business, and so is Microsoft buying Activision Blizzard and ZeniMax.

 

[mrmustard]

I don't block anyone, personally.

I have to admit, sometimes it's really tempting to block some of the weirdos. But then you could miss up on interesting topics, because those are mostly the people who google all day for good/bad news to serve the cause. For example: How could i live without daily anti VR threads? Exactly, not at all!!

 

[Topher]

I have to admit, sometimes it's really tempting to block some of the weirdos. But then you could miss up on interesting topics, because those are mostly the people who google all day for good/bad news to serve the cause. For example how could i live with daily anti VR threads? Exactly, not at all!!

I used to put folks on ignore and then I realized I kept toggling the "show ignored content". My ignore conviction just isn't very good.

And now there is peer pressure.....

 

[mrmustard]

I used to put folks on ignore and then I realized I kept toggling the "show ignored content". My ignore conviction just isn't very good.

That's human and most people do so. That's one of the reasons why i only put people on ignore who harass and insult me.

 

[Kilau]

Sony didn't have a choice lol.. the MLB is more powerful.

Clearly Sony didn't have a choice when it came to keeping the MLB license and making versions for all platforms. If they had no sway with a long term partner like MLB to block game pass on The Show of all games, I find it hard to believe they are able to block anything else without a deal for marketing.

My question still remains, do we have examples of Sony blocking game pass from games they don't have marketing deals with?

 

[Helghan]

Well, it doesn't really matter if you think it is a "dick move" if you don't have a good understanding of what it is. Sounds to me like you just want to call it a "dick move" for the sake of calling it a "dick move".

Nope, I understand it very well. Three and I went into detail, and like I said back then I would also call it a dick move if Microsoft would only let a game on PS+ but not directly on the PS store.

If you feel differently that’s ok, not everyone has to agree on every topic. It has nothing to do with understanding, just a difference in opinion.

 

[DeepEnigma]

My question still remains, do we have examples of Sony blocking game pass from games they don't have marketing deals with?

 

[Topher]

Nope, I understand it very well. Three and I went into detail, and like I said back then I would also call it a dick move if Microsoft would only let a game on PS+ but not directly on the PS store.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

Clearly Sony didn't have a choice when it came to keeping the MLB license and making versions for all platforms. If they had no sway with a long term partner like MLB to block game pass on The Show of all games, I find it hard to believe they are able to block anything else without a deal for marketing.

My question still remains, do we have examples of Sony blocking game pass from games they don't have marketing deals with?

ask Lulu. i bet she will answer

 

[demigod]

People still arguing for “forever contracts”

The hoops people will jump through. If “forever contracts” were a thing then why don’t they already exist for some franchises. Why don’t they exist in other things. Why do sports stars sign five year deals if they plan on playing another fifteen? Why do content providers sign one-three year deals with Netflix if they still plan on existing and providing content after those three years.

MS doesn’t really need to provide jack squat but they’re doing so to make it obvious they are treating CoD like Minecraft.

Why did phil spencer say CoD will be on playstation as long as there is a playstation?

 

[xHunter]

My question still remains, do we have examples of Sony blocking game pass from games they don't have marketing deals with?

Remember the Cult of the Lambs rumour? Not only is there no real example, people also make them up.

 

[Topher]

My question still remains, do we have examples of Sony blocking game pass from games they don't have marketing deals with?

The only example we have of anything is the RE Village marketing agreement, I believe. Everything else is assumed.

 

[kirby007]

Looks like Sony needs to put some more bribes in

 

[GHG]

Jeez… ANOTHER ONE?

What is up with these people good god

I thought this was known?:

http://techrights.org/wiki/Florian_Müller

His commentary is comical.

 

[DForce]

All legacy content was updated to all platforms, including quake remaster that included ports for PS4, Switch and Xbox.

So the case-by-case basis never applied to all future games? LOL.

 

[Bumblebeetuna]

Why did phil spencer say CoD will be on playstation as long as there is a playstation?

That sure sounds like a contract to me, friend.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Why did phil spencer say CoD will be on playstation as long as there is a playstation?

Phil Spencer says a lot of things. 3 years, 10 years, as long as (meaning they're hoping for the extinguish part)

That sure sounds like a contract to me, friend.

Sounds like words.

 

[POKEYCLYDE]

My assumption is Microsoft's remedy package proposal is a global remedy package. Maybe The EC did narrow it's concerns to console and PC, but the CMA is focused on cloud. So if Microsoft's proposal heavily included cloud remedies, maybe there's some misreporting that cloud is the focus for the EC proposal.

I don't know though. I doubt the EC narrowed it's focus to just cloud though.

 

[Helghan]

That’s what I thought. Thanks for the contribution, and welcome to my ignore list.

 

[DeepEnigma]

 

[Topher]

That’s what I thought. Thanks for the contribution, and welcome to my ignore list.

Do what you gotta do, but that's the reaction you'll get when you say you understand something and yet continue to state everything about it incorrectly.

 

[drganon]

I thought this was known?:

http://techrights.org/wiki/Florian_Müller

His commentary is comical.

Hmmm... I'm wondering if he has a possible conflict of interest.

 

[Topher]

Hmmm... I'm wondering if he has a possible conflict of interest.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Hmmm... I'm wondering if he has a possible conflict of interest.

Just like the Pachter love one side seems to have whored themselves out to now.

 

[Elios83]

My assumption is Microsoft's remedy package proposal is a global remedy package. Maybe The EC did narrow it's concerns to console and PC, but the CMA is focused on cloud. So if Microsoft's proposal heavily included cloud remedies, maybe there's some misreporting that cloud is the focus for the EC proposal.

I don't know though. I doubt the EC narrowed it's focus to just cloud though.

https://www.news.com.au/breaking-ne...r/news-story/77b3f2fc1218d0b80f344548ff8c42c6

https://www.reuters.com/markets/dea...medies-seeking-ok-activision-deal-2023-03-17/

Neither Microsoft nor the commission would give details of the pledges submitted on Thursday.

In both articles there's no mention about the details of the proposed remedies because it seems both MS and EU refused to comment, although it's clear that at the very least they offered all the contracts they have signed recently.

 

[demigod]

That sure sounds like a contract to me, friend.

So tell me this. Why didn’t Steam sign the 10 year deal contract with ms. Why are there no current contracts with ABK. Why don’t we hear any developers or publishers signing any set amount of years with Steam. Where are the 10 year deals with Apple when releasing apps on their store. Do folks sign 10 year deals when selling on ebay, amazon, newegg? No, because they aren’t needed when you’re selling a product. MS plans on pulling the product away hence why there are these 3-10 year contracts.

Your Netflix and sports analogy are not the same. Netflix is a subscription model. Sports stars sign contracts so they can renew for better deals.