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[intheinbetween]

Imran Khan, who was 100% right about the Sony wanting Starfield exclusively thing also said this around the same window, he's no doubt right about this as well.

Exactly, and man I accept that, it’s a business strategy from which it main goal is to suffocate the competition, and if the publishers are ok with that for the industry then it’s ok, and this very same logic can be applied to MS acquiring Zenimax and Bethesda in order to survive these types of practices from Sony. Also my gut tells me Sony has been doing this for many many years

 

[Heisenberg007]

Exactly, and man I accept that, it’s a business strategy from which it main goal is to suffocate the competition, and if the publishers are ok with that for the industry then it’s ok, and this very same logic can be applied to MS acquiring Zenimax and Bethesda in order to survive these types of practices from Sony. Also my gut tells me Sony has been doing this for many many years

MS bought Zenimax to protect potential "timed exclusivity" of Starfield.

Why were the trying to target HouseMarque and Ember Lab then who has never created an Xbox game? lol.

 

[Hero of Spielberg]

What part of "we in a unique position to spend Sony out of business" did you miss?

There are only 2 companies in the high-end console market: Sony and Microsoft. And if you "spend Sony out of business" that literally leads to only solution: a Microsoft monopoly.

Just because he says they ‘might be in a unique position to ..’ doesn’t mean they can or will. Shit, even if this goes through they’ve signed agreement with every cloud service under the sun. It’s just hyper drama at this point

And even the CMA dismissed the ‘high powered’ console market ‘concerns’. It’s all just worrying the sky is falling

 

[Heisenberg007]

Just because he says they ‘might be in a unique position to ..’ doesn’t mean they can or will. Shit, even if this goes through they’ve signed agreement with every cloud service under the sun. It’s just hyper drama at this point

And even the CMA dismissed the ‘high powered’ console market ‘concerns’. It’s all just worrying the sky is falling

They literally are. They have literally spent $80 billion since that email -- almost the same amount as Sony's entire market cap.

You know ... trying to "spend Sony out of business."

 

[adamsapple]

Oh sorry so 2013 count but 2019 still doesn't according to some....
like him

So who cares about the from the start part then since apparently MS is still starting, by the way which competion have they killed in the last 10 or even 15 years ?The Ouya?Stadia? Oh no right Stadia mentionned MS a one of the reason they closed.
And would anybody says that it was their strategy for ps5?
It really shows how you can hold sony accountable for old shit but you can't for MS because according to you they "changed their mind since '19 but sony hasn't since 2000.Blatant display of hypocrisy.

I'm not the one who posted multiple times in the other thread saying Sony doesn't do things like this and asking people for relevant quotes, you've got your quotes now, stop spinning please.

Also, Stadia wasn't competing with just Xbox, Stadia was competing with all the consoles and PC, while paying developers in an unknown millions of dollar amounts to bring games to Stadia.

 

[Hero of Spielberg]

They literally are. They have literally spent $80 billion since that email -- almost the same amount as Sony's entire market cap.

You know ... trying to "spend Sony out of business."

So they must have a monopoly by now then, surely? What’s that? Not even close? And not after this deal?

We’ll, shit. There you go. No monopoly in sight

 

[adamsapple]

Why were the trying to target HouseMarque and Ember Lab then who has never created an Xbox game? lol.

Studio names in a list of considerations = / = 'Targeting them'.

 

[Poltz]

When they say be ruthless, I'm gonna take a wild swing and say they're not talking about being ruthless with kindness.

Be specific on what you believe the strategy to be.

 

[Three]

So they must have a monopoly by now then, surely? What’s that? Not even close? And not after this deal?

We’ll, shit. There you go. No monopoly in sight

What a daft thing to say. It hasn't even gone through yet and they aren't even seeing the fruits of that strategy until September and beyond.

 

[Shubh_C63]

This is so shallow but how can anyone take a man named "booty" seriously. Alongwith a teen name like Matt or Tim.

Shuhei Yoshida, now that's a mans name/jk

 

[azertydu91]

I'm not the one who posted multiple times in the other thread saying Sony doesn't do things like this and asking people for relevant quotes, you've got your quotes now, stop spinning please.

Also, Stadia wasn't competing with just Xbox, Stadia was competing with all the consoles and PC, while paying developers in an unknown millions of dollar amounts to bring games to Stadia.

So you will only believe the words from MS and won't care if Stadia directly said MS was one of the reasons they quit .You will also ignore all the "from the start" part in favor of a interview of past strategy from someone that left sony 10 years ago.Because somone said they used to do that wich is exactly what I argued with ZehDon about.It is crazy how selective your comprehension can be when comparing sony and ms.All the while not answering like 80% of my post.But let''s ignore eveything convenient right?

Edit: welp time for me to go I have a teeth that need to be pulled out, I'll come back when I'll be in better health.Just a quick tip for the people that are having or have had chemo just go to the dentist every few months, this shit kills your teeth and quite fast.Of course that's quite off topic though.So hopefully see you guys in a couple of days.

 

[Hero of Spielberg]

What a daft thing to say. It hasn't even gone through yet and they aren't even seeing the fruits of that strategy until September and beyond.

Well even the CMA saw no concern in the console market. So if MS are right and cloud is 100% the future for all gaming, Sony have larger concerns than this deal as they don’t seem phased by the cloud one bit.

 

[GigaBowser]

Still want there garmes but MS tinks monies will solve his problems but then blows it just like at E3 that time with DRM I'm sorry my friends

 

[Heisenberg007]

Studio names in a list of considerations = / = 'Targeting them'.

They even reached out to HouseMarque for acquisition. lol

 

[Poltz]

They even reached out to HouseMarque for acquisition. lol

That was a thought experiment.

 

[adamsapple]

They even reached out to HouseMarque for acquisition. lol

They did ? I can't find any news for that. Just that they were approached by un-named companies in Sweden, China and US.

Housemarque, and the other names, were just M&A considerations.

So you will only believe the words from MS and won't care if Stadia directly said MS was one of the reasons they quit .You will also ignore all the "from the start" part in favor of a interview of past strategy from someone that left sony 10 years ago.Because somone said they used to do that wich is exactly what I argued with ZehDon about.It is crazy how selective your comprehension can be when comparing sony and ms.All the while not answering like 80% of my post.But let''s ignore eveything convenient right?

Ah yes, the Zenimax acquisition killed Stadia, just one year into its life span where they didn't manage to get any notable exclusives at all.

How?

How Microsoft's Bethesda acquisition factored into Stadia's game development efforts wasn't explained, it seems.

shrug.gif, I guess only Phil Harrison knows.


Once again, Stadia was not competing with Xbox, they were competing with the modern consoles and PC.

Be specific on what you believe the strategy to be.

But yes. Echoing what Matt said. There isn't a major third party out there Sony failed to approach asking what kind of deals they could work out. Some had content, some had games, some had content and games. It is not like Microsoft was not willing to offer, they just didn't want to pay the asking price, because Sony approached with pretty high numbers in the first place.

 

[Fabieter]

The same email again... from 2019 (neither Bethesda nor Zenimax were an option) Anyone who stops to read it can see that it is only describing the business opportunity in the face of the competition... Goggle was lagging behind, Amazon showed no intention of entering the market and it highlights how Sony is the great competition...

That the CMA and the IP judge herself already knew about it and did not take it into account should say everything.

Companys dont make decisions just for next year. They have longterm plans. This "it was 2019 excuse" means nothing.

 

[Mr.Phoenix]

It doesn’t result in a monopoly tho. All these hysterical responses based on the assumption that MS is 100% right and the cloud is the future and they somehow buy every game publisher… someone should tell Sony quick as they don’t seem too concerned by the cloud

No offense... and I don't mean this as an insult...

But are you being serious? Or just ignorant?

Do you have no idea how monopolies work? Are do you have your head so far into the sand that it literally takes it happening before you realize that what `happened` actually started x number of years ago?

There is competing... and then there is trying to win by buying out the competition. And the simple truth, the bottom line, is that of the major players in the console business right now...MS is the only one that is in a position to do that. To win by buying out, or outspending the competition. And they have clearly shown, that its not only something they say amongst themselves internally, but its something they are actively putting into motion.

like just stop for a second and think... or if you cant think, just look at what's happening. If this deal goes through, it would mean, that in the space of 2 years, MS has spent over $75B in acquisitions. $75B in acquisitions in 24 months. Do you want to know how much Sony or Nintendo make as profits from gaming in the past 5 years.... combined? Or that that is over 8x more money than sony has spent on gaming-related acquisitions since PlayStation existed.

And you do not see the problem where that is going? like you really think, that after MS has taken two of the 4 biggest publishing scaps in the industry... they would just stop there? Why? Or we should wait till they go and get Sega, Ubisoft, EA, capcom, Namco....etc before we know they have become a monopoly?

You don't see how this works? If you want to outspend the competition, to buy out gaming... what you do, is acquire an overwhelming amount of content. You don't start that by buying up all the sma publishers/studios. If you do that, there would be a major push back when you then try and go for the big ones. You start, by buying the biggest ones you can... if you get away with that, then no one bats an eye when they hear you are buying a smaller one for $5B.

Hysterical? re you on some cheap drugs or something? If anyone is willing to spend $75B in 18 months.... you better take notice. like I dont get it, there have to be a lot of people here that work for MS because that is the only way I can understand how there arent people here losing sleep at the thought that MS, MS of all companies, can become a monopoly in gaming.

 

[The Fuzz damn you!]

So they must have a monopoly by now then, surely? What’s that? Not even close? And not after this deal?

We’ll, shit. There you go. No monopoly in sight

The idea is to prevent monopolies, not react to them after the fact. The last time they tried that, we got stuck with fucking Internet Explorer for decades.

 

[Heisenberg007]

Companys dont make decisions just for next year. They have longterm plans. This "it was 2019 excuse" means nothing.

No point explaining it. They know all this. They are just being coy because they must defend a corporation.

 

[Bumblebeetuna]

In the same way Sony was in a unique position to spend Sega out of business? What's the deal with these threads lately?

And Nintendo/Sony would gladly do it now if they had the money to do so.

Lots of threads lately feigning shock at MS for doing what… businesses do.

 

[Mr.Phoenix]

Once again, Stadia was not competing with Xbox, they were competing with the modern consoles and PC.

I think points like these are made when people are more interested in winning arguments than in actual facts.

So you say Stadia was not competing with Xbox, but with PC and consoles? You don't see what's wrong with that assessment?

But yes. Echoing what Matt said. There isn't a major third party out there Sony failed to approach asking what kind of deals they could work out. Some had content, some had games, some had content and games. It is not like Microsoft was not willing to offer, they just didn't want to pay the asking price, because Sony approached with pretty high numbers in the first place.

I am still trying to ascertain exactly what your stance on this is... are you saying its a fair? That there is nothing wrong with what MS is doing because its just business? ike...I am trying to be certain what you are saying is...

 

[The Fuzz damn you!]

And Nintendo/Sony would gladly do it now if they had the money to do so.

Lots of threads lately feigning shock at MS for doing what… businesses do.

AND THE SAME BLOODY RUELES WOULD APPLY TO THEM.

Jesus fucking Christ. You really do get to see, with these threads, whose focus is on the tribalistic box-wars, and who is actually interested in the health of the industry.

 

[Poltz]

They did ? I can't find any news for that. Just that they were approached by un-named companies in Sweden, China and US.

Housemarque, and the other names, were just M&A considerations.




Ah yes, the Zenimax acquisition killed Stadia, just one year into its life span where they didn't manage to get any notable exclusives at all.

How?



shrug.gif, I guess only Phil Harrison knows.


Once again, Stadia was not competing with Xbox, they were competing with the modern consoles and PC.

But yes. Echoing what Matt said. There isn't a major third party out there Sony failed to approach asking what kind of deals they could work out. Some had content, some had games, some had content and games. It is not like Microsoft was not willing to offer, they just didn't want to pay the asking price, because Sony approached with pretty high numbers in the first place.

So we are on the same page, getting exclusive content for games or exclusive games is something only Sony does. Not Microsoft or Nintendo? Is that what you are saying?

 

[Fabieter]

And Nintendo/Sony would gladly do it now if they had the money to do so.

Lots of threads lately feigning shock at MS for doing what… businesses do.

And if they do anyone should be glad that regulators exist doing their job.

 

[Three]

Well even the CMA saw no concern in the console market. So if MS are right and cloud is 100% the future for all gaming, Sony have larger concerns than this deal as they don’t seem phased by the cloud one bit.

The CMA did see concern in the console market but it couldn't prove that they would pull content due to some incorrect maths so it dropped its SLC there and concentrated on MGS and cloud. The CMA was more concerned about multigame subscriptions and cloud.

Don't see the relevance either way. You can't point to the current situation and say "where is the monopoly right now then" when the deal hasn't even closed and Zenimax only closed a couple of years ago and their big content haven't released yet.

 

[Bumblebeetuna]

AND THE SAME BLOODY RUELES WOULD APPLY TO THEM.

Jesus fucking Christ. You really do get to see, with these threads, whose focus is on the tribalistic box-wars, and who is actually interested in the health of the industry.

Calm down, where did I say MS shouldn’t have to follow rules and should be allowed to buy everyone?

 

[Cyberpunkd]

Don’t send that shit in an email bro.

Yeah, wtf was that brain fart. You know, they know, you know they know, they know you know they know, but till there’s a smoking gun you smile and carry on.

 

[The Fuzz damn you!]

Calm down, where did I say MS shouldn’t have to follow rules and should be allowed to buy everyone?

And Nintendo/Sony would gladly do it now if they had the money to do so.

Lots of threads lately feigning shock at MS for doing what… businesses do.

Really struggling to see the point of your post if it's not to dismiss concerns about the potential consequences of this acquisition.

No-one, that I can see, is honestly surprised at this - other than at the fact that it's been outed in company emails.
No-one, that I can see, is saying that Sony wouldn't do the same thing if they could get away with it.

So when you come into a thread and try to normalise this behaviour that everyone already recognises as arising from standard corporate intentions, what is it if not a defence of the application of those intentions in this specific circumstance?

 

[adamsapple]

I think points like these are made when people are more interested in winning arguments than in actual facts.

So you say Stadia was not competing with Xbox, but with PC and consoles? You don't see what's wrong with that assessment?

No, enlighten me please.

Before you do just an FYI, A azertydu91 was wrong in his post. No one from Stadia said they're closing Stadia because of Bethesda's acquisition. They said they're stopping original game development.

Now if someone can draw a line on how a publisher's acquisition made them close their first party development, that'll be swell.

In his Thursday Q&A with staff, he pointed specifically to Microsoft’s buying spree and planned acquisition of Bethesda Software later this year as one of the factors that had made Google decide to close the book on original game development.

So we are on the same page, getting exclusive content for games or exclusive games is something only Sony does. Not Microsoft or Nintendo? Is that what you are saying?

Which part of my posts made you come to that conclusion? You asked for what my interpretation on Sony's strategy of being ruthless against Microsoft is, I gave it.

 

[Panajev2001a]

What people are not understanding is that the decision is not based on what MS would have tried or wanted to acquire in 2019. It is based on the effects that the ABK acquisition may have on the market.

The predicted effects of which have to be based on what they are doing now with Zenimax after misleading regulators as they acting on a plan that took a while to prepare and includes buying more publishers too (like Spencer kept boasting about too)… which brings us back to about 2019… oh look at that .

 

[Bumblebeetuna]

Really struggling to see the point of your post if it's not to dismiss concerns about the potential consequences of this acquisition.

No-one, that I can see, is honestly surprised at this - other than at the fact that it's been outed in company emails.
No-one, that I can see, is saying that Sony wouldn't do the same thing if they could get away with it.

So when you come into a thread and try to normalise this behaviour that everyone already recognises as arising from standard corporate intentions, what is it if not a defence of the application of those intentions in this specific circumstance?

Because this acquisition and what is laid out in the thread title (buying Sony out of the business) aren’t close to the same thing.

Jimbo - “we’ll be fine, more than fine”

GAF keyboard analysts - well this will be the death of Sony

The simple fact that they’re having this much trouble with this acquisition should tell you the industry is fine.

 

[mrmustard]

And Nintendo/Sony would gladly do it now if they had the money to do so.

Lots of threads lately feigning shock at MS for doing what… businesses do.

Didn't you know? Microsoft is the devil and Nintendo and Sony are the fair playing good guys.

 

[Mr.Phoenix]

Calm down, where did I say MS shouldn’t have to follow rules and should be allowed to buy everyone?

Technically... here. Or what's the point in saying this?

And Nintendo/Sony would gladly do it now if they had the money to do so.

Lots of threads lately feigning shock at MS for doing what… businesses do.

on another note... do people realize that MS are the ones that championed the very practices they are here saying they are fighting Sony for or Sony is doing to try and stifle their growth? Sony is literally playing off MS Playbook.

When PlayStation started, they threw a lot of money around, but how? They did so not by buying content off Nintendo or Sega, but by making sure whatever they didn't own, would also be made available on a Playstation. They basically paid devs/publishers to make a PS version of their game `too`.

MS came and decided its not enough to just have games be on their platform too (yes, they tried to do the same thing sony did), so, they instead started things like securing marketing rights or exclusive Dlc (GTA4)... yes, that was something MS started. Then they took that further by starting the whole timed exclusive thing (tomb raider anyone?), yes, that was also something MS started.

Now, they have decided that all those things don't really work for them, so they have shifted focus to not even buying studios, but buying publishers (this was never done by a platform holder until the last two years). Another new trend they are starting.

And everything I just said... has been going on for the last 17 years. People are here taking shit like whatever MS is ding they just started doing in 2019.

 

[The Fuzz damn you!]

Calm down, where did I say MS shouldn’t have to follow rules and should be allowed to buy everyone?

Because this acquisition and what is laid out in the thread title (buying Sony out of the business) aren’t close to the same thing.

Jimbo - “we’ll be fine, more than fine”

GAF keyboard analysts - well this will be the death of Sony

The simple fact that they’re having this much trouble with this acquisition should tell you the industry is fine.

 

[Three]

No, enlighten me please.

Before you do just an FYI, A azertydu91 was wrong in his post. No one from Stadia said they're closing Stadia because of Bethesda's acquisition. They said they're stopping original game development.

Now if someone can draw a line on how a publisher's acquisition made them close their first party development, that'll be swell.





Which part of my posts made you come to that conclusion? You asked for what my interpretation on Sony's strategy of being ruthless against Microsoft is, I gave it.

You don't see how saying "Stadia wasn't competing with xbox, it was competing with consoles" is contradictory?

 

[Panajev2001a]

This is the email they already covered on day 1 of the trial, the one he said was the "old strategy".

Why do you have to pretend to be this gullible?

 

[adamsapple]

You don't see how saying Stadia wasn't competing with xbox, it was competing with consoles is contradictory?

was not competing with *just Xbox. Should have written it more clearly. One acquisition of a third party making them stop their own first party development is a very swiggly line to draw.

 

[Heisenberg007]

was not competing with *just Xbox. Should have written it more clearly. One acquisition of a third party making them stop their own first party development is a very swiggly line to draw.

So is ... a couple of timed exclusives making someone buy that entire publisher

 

[GigaBowser]

Master Chiefs was my role model

 

[adamsapple]

So is ... a couple of timed exclusives making someone buy that entire publisher

Not really, no. It'd be a comparable example if you said that because MS are trying to acquire Activision, Sony has stopped all development from Guerilla Games. That's the kind of logic Harrison's statement draws.

 

[Poltz]

Which part of my posts made you come to that conclusion? You asked for what my interpretation on Sony's strategy of being ruthless against Microsoft is, I gave it.

Your strategy is one all 3 console manufacturers use. If that’s what being ruthless means.

 

[Heisenberg007]

Master Chiefs was my role model

 

[Mr.Phoenix]

Because this acquisition and what is laid out in the thread title (buying Sony out of the business) aren’t close to the same thing.

Jimbo - “we’ll be fine, more than fine”

GAF keyboard analysts - well this will be the death of Sony

The simple fact that they’re having this much trouble with this acquisition should tell you the industry is fine.

Jesus fucking Christ...

fucking learn to see the forest from the trees.

BUYING SONY OUT OF BUSINESS

Is not something you do in one year, or 5 years. Or with any one purchase. It's a road map. It's a process. Azure, Cloud, Bethesda, ABK, Gamepass....

See what those moves have in common, they are big money plays... extremely capital intensive. They are things, sony simply cannot do or match. And make no mistake... the groundwork for any of those things has been years in the making. Unless you really think MS bought Bethesda as an impulse buy because they didn't want sony to get another timed exclusive, or that they are trying to buy ABK as an impulse buy because they were trying to do right by gamers.

And then what, what's next, Do you think it stops there? EA, Ubisoft, A specialized version of Windows for gamers (that just runs better but you can't have steam or epic store on it)...etc.

The industry is not fine, because they are having this much trouble... not until this deal or deals like these.. are dead in the water. The industry stopped being fine the second MS bought Bethesda... it was a sign of things to come.

 

[Panajev2001a]

Can’t make this shit up. “We changed strategies.” Did ya? You have spent 80bn on acquisitions in the last few years.

This is how f-img stupid they think people are and their hardcore fanboys will swallow anything and justify anything too.

They are executing that strategy, buying two of the biggest publishers and boasting they are buying more and more after that (and we have proof they were drafting plans around other publishers)… and trying to convince people they are not screwing with things but having a special hug with mommy industry .

 

[Heisenberg007]

Can’t make this shit up. “We changed strategies.” Did ya? You have spent 80bn on acquisitions in the last few years.

 

[John Wick]

Oh some of the reactions in here... lol.

I wonder what some 2013 Sony internal emails were saying. "Guys Microsoft is too vulnerable right now... we better pull back and give them a break."

Why what happened in 2013? MS just came off the 360 gen it's most successful yet. It was MS's own stupidity that caused them to lose the gen. It wasn't because Sony started buying massive publishers and devs.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

This is how f-img stupid they think people are and their hardcore fanboys will swallow anything and justify anything too.

They are executing that strategy, buying two of the biggest publishers and boasting they are buying more and more after that (and we have plans they were planning around other publishers)… and trying to convince people they are not screwing with things but having a special hug with mommy industry .

It’s absolutely comical

Yeah, in 2019 we were speculating on killing Sony by outspending them

Fast forward 3 years, and Microsoft announces the largest tech acquisition in history, larger than the market cap of Nintendo…which is right after they announced the previous largest gaming acquisition of Zenimax, only this one is 10x that size… and suddenly they want us to believe that’s not an extension of their 2019 comment?

Seriously, get fucked for taking anyone with half a brain as an idiot that laps up these lies

 

[Panajev2001a]

Do you really think that such an absurd and obvious ruse was not going to be attacked by the judge as a lie under oath? Do you really think that it could be interesting for MS to rename COD (which would already mean damage to the IP), giving up PS income and the possibility of losing the user base to other competing products?

Content starving Sony is not free, it costs money. Money to acquire their competitors and money not earned by pushing consumers away from PS / removing content from PS / making content available to Xbox.

Surely you want to let us think they plan to make more money with Starfield and TES VI being removed from PS platform than they would if they released on the market leading console right? This is the problem, you are calling unlikely doomsaying actions they are already doing.

Why do we need to play this disingenuous game?

 

[DenchDeckard]

No you're just spinning as per usual.

Funny how it's always the forum's biggest Xboxes reading it incorrectly.

I'm looking forward to hear the forum's biggest shill and spin doctors take on this .

So what does that opening sentence mean then?

By the way, I completely agree that matt booty is saying he wants to take Sony out of the pictures here and also secure as much of the gaming companies they can before other large entities get them.