Valkyria
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You forgot to change to the alt and replayed to yourself. Bad shill.Can't deny it is unorthodox and shady as hell that these agencies are shilling so hard for Sony. Corrupt as hell.
You forgot to change to the alt and replayed to yourself. Bad shill.Can't deny it is unorthodox and shady as hell that these agencies are shilling so hard for Sony. Corrupt as hell.
… and also followed by other e-mails where they make plans to buy other publishers and with Phil publicly boasting that their acquisitions are not stopping anytime soon.It’s absolutely comical
Yeah, in 2019 we were speculating on killing Sony by outspending them
Fast forward 3 years, and Microsoft announces the largest tech acquisition in history, larger than the market cap of Nintendo…which is right after they announced the previous largest gaming acquisition of Zenimax, only this one is 10x that size… and suddenly they want us to believe that’s not an extension of their 2019 comment?
.Seriously, get fucked for taking anyone with half a brain as an idiot that laps up these lies
Exactly.It’s absolutely comical
Yeah, in 2019 we were speculating on killing Sony by outspending them
Fast forward 3 years, and Microsoft announces the largest tech acquisition in history, larger than the market cap of Nintendo…which is right after they announced the previous largest gaming acquisition of Zenimax, only this one is 10x that size… and suddenly they want us to believe that’s not an extension of their 2019 comment?
Seriously, get fucked for taking anyone with half a brain as an idiot that laps up these lies
Can you share some of those emails, or are you just speculating in a feeble attempt to normalize this? #SonyToo.Oh some of the reactions in here... lol.
I wonder what some 2013 Sony internal emails were saying. "Guys Microsoft is too vulnerable right now... we better pull back and give them a break."
Because they don’t know what being progressive is. No offense to my fellow Americans, but most of you don’t know what it’s left wing because you don’t have such party in your country.What I’ve never understood about their support of this is they have a not-insignificant number of members who proudly describe themselves as pro-labor anti-capitalists.
So why the hell would they be in favor of THIS, a mega merger, one of the biggest kinds of capitalist moves that almost always ends up harming labor down the line?!?
Yes. They were targeting them. But they failed to acquire them.Studio names in a list of considerations = / = 'Targeting them'.
Apple making great hardware mmhmhmI do think Apple could give it a go. They make some great hardware. Already have a game subscription service. It would be interesting.
Problem is they’re having a lot of difficulty showing there is a monopoly to prevent.The idea is to prevent monopolies, not react to them after the fact. The last time they tried that, we got stuck with fucking Internet Explorer for decades.
Ok, couldn’t prove then. You can’t just obstruct business because you’re concerned, you have to actually demonstrate your concerns in real outcomes. Something which the FTC and CMA seem to have had difficulty doing.The CMA did see concern in the console market but it couldn't prove that they would pull content due to some incorrect maths so it dropped its SLC there and concentrated on MGS and cloud. The CMA was more concerned about multigame subscriptions and cloud.
Don't see the relevance either way. You can't point to the current situation and say "where is the monopoly right now then" when the deal hasn't even closed and Zenimax only closed a couple of years ago and their big content haven't released yet.
No offense... and I don't mean this as an insult...
But are you being serious? Or just ignorant?
Do you have no idea how monopolies work? Are do you have your head so far into the sand that it literally takes it happening before you realize that what `happened` actually started x number of years ago?
There is competing... and then there is trying to win by buying out the competition. And the simple truth, the bottom line, is that of the major players in the console business right now...MS is the only one that is in a position to do that. To win by buying out, or outspending the competition. And they have clearly shown, that its not only something they say amongst themselves internally, but its something they are actively putting into motion.
like just stop for a second and think... or if you cant think, just look at what's happening. If this deal goes through, it would mean, that in the space of 2 years, MS has spent over $75B in acquisitions. $75B in acquisitions in 24 months. Do you want to know how much Sony or Nintendo make as profits from gaming in the past 5 years.... combined? Or that that is over 8x more money than sony has spent on gaming-related acquisitions since PlayStation existed.
And you do not see the problem where that is going? like you really think, that after MS has taken two of the 4 biggest publishing scaps in the industry... they would just stop there? Why? Or we should wait till they go and get Sega, Ubisoft, EA, capcom, Namco....etc before we know they have become a monopoly?
You don't see how this works? If you want to outspend the competition, to buy out gaming... what you do, is acquire an overwhelming amount of content. You don't start that by buying up all the sma publishers/studios. If you do that, there would be a major push back when you then try and go for the big ones. You start, by buying the biggest ones you can... if you get away with that, then no one bats an eye when they hear you are buying a smaller one for $5B.
Hysterical? re you on some cheap drugs or something? If anyone is willing to spend $75B in 18 months.... you better take notice. like I dont get it, there have to be a lot of people here that work for MS because that is the only way I can understand how there arent people here losing sleep at the thought that MS, MS of all companies, can become a monopoly in gaming.
Yep. Hopefully they get the evidence to show what everyone knows: history repeats.Problem is they’re having a lot of difficulty showing there is a monopoly to prevent.
More to see who simply lacks intelligence I would say.AND THE SAME BLOODY RUELES WOULD APPLY TO THEM.
Jesus fucking Christ. You really do get to see, with these threads, whose focus is on the tribalistic box-wars, and who is actually interested in the health of the industry.
Sure, but that still doesn't mean you can point to the current situation and say 'where is the monopoly'. The FTC and CMA would be trying to prove the SLC if it closes, not as it is now.Ok, couldn’t prove then. You can’t just obstruct business because you’re concerned, you have to actually demonstrate your concerns in real outcomes. Something which the FTC and CMA seem to have had difficulty doing.
I suppose I’m saying, the resultant monopoly is proving very difficult to prove despite the concern of many in this thread. The numbers just aren’t there …Sure, but that still doesn't mean you can point to the current situation and say 'where is the monopoly'. The FTC and CMA would be trying to prove the SLC if it closes, not as it is now.
Oh, so they didn't spend $80 billion on acquisitions and making those games exclusive after that email?Old shit. Microsoft obviously didn’t turn that way.
Difference is, Sony doesn’t go on social media and interviews pretending to be the “good guy”. Xbox needs to drop the act. They never fooled me.Yeah. I just feel like if we were looking at all of Sony’s internal emails we’d all be surprised at what we saw, too. So we’re really just putting Msoft under the microscope because we’re being shown all these emails written multiple years ago.
He definitely has an alt, it’s probably meirl again.
Forget to switch accounts?
Link? I should take a look for the lulz.
This. Every bigger company that has competition will have "dirty laundry" and internal emails brainstorming ways how to screw the others. It's normal (and it would be worrying if a company wouldn't think about that).I don't understand why everyone is so surprised about this. You don't think every business in the world has similar emails on different topics?
Indeed, but I have a feeling a lot of people here are nowhere near a strategically position within a company, or deliberately act surprised for warring.This. Every bigger company that has competition will have "dirty laundry" and internal emails brainstorming ways how to screw the others. It's normal (and it would be worrying if a company wouldn't think about that).
Time to compile all data in one of yoursI'm so tired of these threads...
Compile deez nutzTime to compile all data in one of yours
Are you foreal dawg? You think Sony can outspend ms?Where did I say that, like explicitly point me to the place where I said they were the same, if you can't then you're the moron trying to put words in my mouth. I'm talking about the type of quote from Booty about "spending Sony out of business", which I almost 100% guarantee Sony execs have said similar things about Xbox. Like that's the entire point of this thread, acting like somehow Microsoft is more malicious than Sony because they're doing bigger things, when the intent on both sides is the same, merely the magnitude of the actions they can afford to do is different. Just because Microsoft aren't the "good guys" doesn't mean Sony is
I don't understand why everyone is so surprised about this. You don't think every business in the world has similar emails on different topics?
This. Every bigger company that has competition will have "dirty laundry" and internal emails brainstorming ways how to screw the others. It's normal (and it would be worrying if a company wouldn't think about that).
Most of the internal brainstormings within companies about how to deal with competition aren't hyperbolic, though.The big difference is that his statement wasn't hyperbolic. Microsoft has the means to do exactly what he said, and we're seeing their plan in action right now.
Please tell me you just started gaming and missed out on gen 7.That’s the whole point of every acquisition, though. “there’s another company that’s doing some thing that you wish you could be doing and you have lots of money, so just buy them out instead of doing it yourself”. I mean that’s like, Standard Business Practice in America 101.
And as far as money-hatting and wheeling and dealing for console exclusivity, or timed exclusives, Sony drives everyone else off the road with those kinds of deals. So, I’m not understanding the double standard.
And since we all agree that all of these companies are basically terrible, and they all want to drive the other one out of business, so that they’re the only one left, I’m not see how Microsoft is any worse than Sony is in that regard.
Please tell me how I’m wrong
This. Every bigger company that has competition will have "dirty laundry" and internal emails brainstorming ways how to screw the others. It's normal (and it would be worrying if a company wouldn't think about that).
Hendrick's is confirmed another poster with disgusting alt tactics. Good catch ValkyriaYou forgot to change to the alt and replayed to yourself. Bad shill.
Email here.
Sony did that with Sega and tried to do that with MS.And Nintendo/Sony would gladly do it now if they had the money to do so.
Lots of threads lately feigning shock at MS for doing what… businesses do.
Maybe not every day but big acquisitions are happening on a regular basis, just maybe not as much in the entertainment industry. But the financial or medical sectors are more active with acquisitions worth billions. I still don't see why this is such a big issue that Microsoft are discussion how to deal with the competition internally? I can promise you that Sony and Nintendo also have talked about the competition and what they can do. And I remember Sony behaving pretty nasty behind the scenes towards Sega, which is why we didn't see Sega games on PS2 for some time after they've given up the console space.How often do these bigger companies make acquisitions almost as big as the competitions market cap?
We are back to this lie. Might as well add Psygnosis to the mix as well sure.Sony did that with Sega and tried to do that with MS.
This. Every bigger company that has competition will have "dirty laundry" and internal emails brainstorming ways how to screw the others. It's normal (and it would be worrying if a company wouldn't think about that).
Maybe not every day but big acquisitions are happening on a regular basis, just maybe not as much in the entertainment industry. But the financial or medical sectors are more active with acquisitions worth billions. I still don't see why this is such a big issue that Microsoft are discussion how to deal with the competition internally? I can promise you that Sony and Nintendo also have talked about the competition and what they can do. And I remember Sony behaving pretty nasty behind the scenes towards Sega, which is why we didn't see Sega games on PS2 for some time after they've given up the console space.