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Lenovo is working on a Windows PC gaming handheld called the 'Legion Go'

Gamezone

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TheSHEEEP

Gold Member
Did anyone count all those "Steam Deck killers" that came and went?
:messenger_beaming:

Putting Windows on a handheld is already one of the most surefire ways to waste a lot of RAM & CPU from the get-go.
And then of course it looks like these don't even have the touch pads or more buttons on the back.

I'd get them looking worse and having worse tech if they were significantly cheaper than the Deck, but being more expensive in combination with less power and features... that's wild.
 
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64bitmodels

Reverse groomer.
wait a minute, why the fuck are there no back buttons on the device

we went from 4 on the Deck to 2 on the Ally to now 0 on the Lenovo.... unless those 4 strips on the back are the back buttons
 

Gamezone

Gold Member
Did anyone count all those "Steam Deck killers" that came and went?
:messenger_beaming:

Putting Windows on a handheld is already one of the most surefire ways to waste a lot of RAM & CPU from the get-go.
And then of course it looks like these don't even have the touch pads or more buttons on the back.

I'd get them looking worse and having worse tech if they were significantly cheaper than the Deck, but being more expensive in combination with less power and features... that's wild.
Can handheld manufacturers use SteamOS if they want to?
 

StereoVsn

Member
wait a minute, why the fuck are there no back buttons on the device

we went from 4 on the Deck to 2 on the Ally to now 0 on the Lenovo.... unless those 4 strips on the back are the back buttons
Maybe touch based ? It would be strange not to have any additional input options.
 

Ozriel

M$FT
Did anyone count all those "Steam Deck killers" that came and went?
:messenger_beaming:

Putting Windows on a handheld is already one of the most surefire ways to waste a lot of RAM & CPU from the get-go.
And then of course it looks like these don't even have the touch pads or more buttons on the back.

I'd get them looking worse and having worse tech if they were significantly cheaper than the Deck, but being more expensive in combination with less power and features... that's wild.

The Ally is many things, but weaker than the Steam Deck it is not. More powerful + significantly better display.

Let’s keep these conversations honest
 

SomeGit

Member
Can handheld manufacturers use SteamOS if they want to?

I don’t think Valve is working with third parties yet, and while you could it because it’s open source, it’s still too focused on the steam deck. Probably only gonna happen in the future, but its Valve so who knows.
 

Ozriel

M$FT
wait a minute, why the fuck are there no back buttons on the device

we went from 4 on the Deck to 2 on the Ally to now 0 on the Lenovo.... unless those 4 strips on the back are the back buttons

Just read the Windows Central article. That’s not how it looks like. They used an unreleased Android handled as an example.

wish the OP made that clear.
 

Vox Machina

Banned
I am definitely here for this PC Handheld revolution. I find it difficult to justify and engage with other portable hardware purchases, Switch, Backbone, etc. because of the limited library I'm interested in and no cross-save/cross-play with my PC library, but these new PC handhelds definitely scratch that itch to play something on the go or in bed.
 

Vox Machina

Banned
wait a minute, why the fuck are there no back buttons on the device

we went from 4 on the Deck to 2 on the Ally to now 0 on the Lenovo.... unless those 4 strips on the back are the back buttons

I feel like these handhelds are all trying to align their input model on the Xbox controller so they get easy out-of-the-box compatibility with regular PC and Xbox PC games. I'd really like to see Xbox match industry innovation (from Sony/Valve) on the input front and include touch pad(s) at the very least. That way this burgeoning PC Handheld category would all include those.
 

Ozriel

M$FT
I am definitely here for this PC Handheld revolution. I find it difficult to justify and engage with other portable hardware purchases, Switch, Backbone, etc. because of the limited library I'm interested in and no cross-save/cross-play with my PC library, but these new PC handhelds definitely scratch that itch to play something on the go or in bed.

I just need more power, with better battery life.

the Ally turned out to be a disappointment overall. Power, hamstrung by bad battery life and hardware issues.

Sticking with my Steamdeck for now, Though it lost a lot of its shine when I tried to play Horizon zero Dawn and it struggled like crazy.
 

Gamezone

Gold Member
The biggest selling point of steam deck isn’t hardware. It’s the software and console like experience.
As long as they continue putting windows on it there’s no chance for them to compete.
Or Microsoft should start improving Windows for handhelds, now that they are becoming more available accross different brands. MS is also rumored to be working on a handheld part of Windows.
 

Fake

Member
I got this month a Lenovo Windows 11 notebook and gonna say the battery life is laughable terrible, not to mention Windows 11 trying many times update while I playing Warcraft 3 without sucess, resulting into blue screen.

But sure, this will work.
 

Holammer

Member
Just occurred to me that this new crop of PC handhelds and streaming devices like Sony's Q and others like it will dilute the market for Switch and a possible next gen Nintendo handheld.
 

Vox Machina

Banned
I just need more power, with better battery life.

the Ally turned out to be a disappointment overall. Power, hamstrung by bad battery life and hardware issues.

Sticking with my Steamdeck for now, Though it lost a lot of its shine when I tried to play Horizon zero Dawn and it struggled like crazy.

Yeah I haven't bought one yet because with rare exceptions nowadays I usually wait until the second iteration on something so new like this. Gives them time to work out the kinks regarding user experience and industry support and the second revision will usually have stronger hardware. Can't wait to see what these things look like from an experience perspective in 2-3 years.

Also, there's like zero chance Xbox doesn't do a first-party PC handheld as part of its next-gen slate of devices.
 
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Ashler

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I just need more power, with better battery life.

the Ally turned out to be a disappointment overall. Power, hamstrung by bad battery life and hardware issues.

Sticking with my Steamdeck for now, Though it lost a lot of its shine when I tried to play Horizon zero Dawn and it struggled like crazy.
Curiously I've parked my Steam Deck due to my ROG Ally. It quickly became my go-to handheld.
 

Ozriel

M$FT
Why windows, though? With Valve making such good advancements with Proton putting windows on these machines is a waste of resources and money.

Because many people just want Windows. It’s a more familiar OS, has better compatibility and you can play Gamepass games natively.

Never thought I’d see the day where PC gamers would complain about options.
 

Topher

Gold Member
Why windows, though? With Valve making such good advancements with Proton putting windows on these machines is a waste of resources and money.

Probably because it is cheaper/easier to create the utilities and drivers needed to make Windows work as a handheld. That and Microsoft's willingness to partner with Asus on their handheld is probably enticing possibility for companies like Lenovo.

I just wish Steam would make Steam OS publicly available for other manufacturers to use. Heck, make a desktop version while they are at it. I'd jump all over that.
 
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DenchDeckard

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Why windows, though? With Valve making such good advancements with Proton putting windows on these machines is a waste of resources and money.

Because it runs everything. I love steam and the steam deck but I just want an easy option that runs all launchers and these windows handheld have that covered. The rog Ally I'd bad ass.

Probably because it is cheaper/easier to create the utilities and drivers needed to make Windows work as a handheld. That and Microsoft's willingness to partner with Asus on their handheld is probably enticing possibility for companies like Lenovo.

I just wish Steam would make Steam OS publicly available for other manufacturers to use. Heck, make a desktop version while they are at it. I'd jump all over that.


Exactly. Microsoft will support with Windows and you've basically got a portable xbox with the rog Ally. I want more of these.
 

Topher

Gold Member
Valve needs to make the deck Steam OS compatible with third party hardware. Those handhelds being stuck on ill-adapted windows is a bummer.

Exactly. And they are all having to create their own proprietary software versus one native UI experience that Steam OS would provide. Valve is missing the boat here, I think.
 

Ozriel

M$FT
Exactly. And they are all having to create their own proprietary software versus one native UI experience that Steam OS would provide. Valve is missing the boat here, I think.

Still doesn't solve the problem for those who would prefer Windows.

Best case scenario is these Windows handhelds continue to get made, and then Valve releases SteamOS for other devices so anyone who wants to can install that. Win-win for everyone.
 
No back buttons, track pads == why bother. Those features are needed for at least 50% of the games.
Also this will be more expensive than the deck. Unless you only like console ports, its a no buy.
 

Topher

Gold Member
Still doesn't solve the problem for those who would prefer Windows.

Best case scenario is these Windows handhelds continue to get made, and then Valve releases SteamOS for other devices so anyone who wants to can install that. Win-win for everyone.

Wasn't implying Windows gaming handhelds should stop being made. My point is that Valve has the chance to promote a unified gaming experience across multiple manufacturers. For those who prefer Windows, there will always be options, but the experience is going to depend on Asus and Lenovo, etc to incorporate their own interfaces like Valve has done. Of course, Microsoft could do the something similar with their Xbox/Game Pass app and integrate in the needed functionality for handhelds as well. That would also be welcome.
 

Ozriel

M$FT
Wasn't implying Windows gaming handhelds should stop being made. My point is that Valve has the chance to promote a unified gaming experience across multiple manufacturers. For those who prefer Windows, there will always be options, but the experience is going to depend on Asus and Lenovo, etc to incorporate their own interfaces like Valve has done. Of course, Microsoft could do the something similar with their Xbox/Game Pass app and integrate in the needed functionality for handhelds as well. That would also be welcome.

Microsoft is dropping the ball here. For a software company, they can be ridiculously slow at doing no-brainer things. Stuff like this and the shoddy state of the Windows Store, as an example. Reminds me of the days of Windows Phone where they took ages to implement the simplest software features.

Either make the Windows experience on these things work better, or build a decent overlay so OEMs don't have to come up with theirs. Lenovo's going to put so many man-hours to make their own overlay like Asus did with Armory Crate.
 
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