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[GymWolf]

Well, it's good you're enjoying the exploration. Different strokes, as they say. Personally, to me, it just looks bland and boring. Exploration is supposed to excite a sense of wonder and discovery. Instead, we have long treks through nothing at all:



And if you go to 18:20-20:00, he talks about how many of the points of interest are just copy and paste. So, even after you schlep for minutes through an empty, barren landscape to get to the POI, it is just a repeat of what you've already seen before half a dozen times -- the same structure, same layout, even the same enemy placement and sometimes loot. That is a far cry from the feeling of open-world exploration we got in Skyrim, Oblivion, Fallout 3, and Morrowind.

As for expectations, well, I don't think I had any specific expectations -- except that I wanted it to deliver what I had loved about Bethesda games in the past: a big open world to freely explore, a palpable sense of immersion in that world, a sense of wonder and discovery connected to free exploration, and interesting quests. It sounds like Starfield does have some interesting quests, but (for me anyhow) fails on the other counts. It's a Bethesda game all right, but it doesn't have the same magic that made Morrowind, Oblivion, Fallout 3, and Skyrim so memorable for me.

I have also heard (repeatedly) that it takes 20 hours before the game starts to get good. I don't have that sort of patience. If a game doesn't grab me in the first couple hours, I'm out. The load screens and fast travel are another issue, but I've banged on long enough.

Anyhow, enjoy the game. It certainly has a lot of fans.

I saw that video already, like i said, every game has repeated content, if the dude was expecting 1000 fully explorable planets with no copy paste content he is naive at best, a disingenuous moron at worse.


The game getting good after a certain couple of hours is not a rule for everyone, days gone was another game with a supposed slow start and i liked that game since the first second, i'm sure that that 20 hours to get good is not remotely the same for everyone, and tbh, in a game with enough content to play for probably 200-300 hours with a gigantic amount of mechanics and shit, having a slow start is not a big deal, at least to me.

None of their previous games was balls on the walls action or had an incredible plot from the get go, all of their games are slow burners.


Even if you ignore the random planet exploration like i'm doing for the most part, you still get a lot of classic bethesda exploration in the 4 huge cities, it's not like the entire game is menu based.

Like i said, for now i'm scoring the game a 7 so i know that it is far from a perfect game.

 

[Topher]

So, what's the general consensus? Should i be excited for launch in a few hours. Because i am.

 

[Heisenberg007]

So, what's the general consensus? Should i be excited for launch in a few hours. Because i am.

If you're excited, then you should remain excited. Give the game a fair go instead of being influenced by reviews -- unless you're paying for the game.

In that case, yes, please make an informed decision.

 

[Banjo64]

Seriously. We've been discussing this "influencer" shill-like access journalism BS for years now.

I mean, you’ll never get a more obnoxious display than Cyberpunk where CDPR’s pet dogs proudly sat in their Cyberpunk gamer chair gifts whilst they shilled the game.

And no one cared.

Like, you only need the bare minimum going on inside your mind to see that and think to yourself ‘hmm, maybe this person isn’t being objective?’.

Xbox are the same, they send their YouTube army free consoles, headsets with customised stands and controllers all the time.

Where you can’t foster good will, buy it.

 

[Madflavor]

I'm seeing a lot of copium out there.
Tbh I'm also on copium for a technical patch, but I swear I'm seeing quite a few posts that just make it seem they're forcing themselves to like the game, specially on twitter and reddit.

 

[adamsapple]

#Square Enix too

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

So, what's the general consensus? Should i be excited for launch in a few hours. Because i am.

Yes be excited its a great game

Can do things like this

 

[amigastar]

Thanks guys, i'll keep getting excited

 

[UltimaKilo]

There is no number that is acceptable to allow a Trojan Horse in which has the overall long term goal of putting you out of business or seriously reducing your revenue.

In business, there’s always a number.

 

[twilo99]

Did any of the reviewers mentioned this situation?

https://x.com/xboxuk/status/1699007063152627734?s=46&t=aVYUpRYzg-bv2n8am2mMAg

 

[PropellerEar]

Nice edit without mentioning it...

 

[DeepEnigma]

Unless Xbox creates a first-party-only Game Pass tier, I don't think either PlayStation or Nintendo would agree to that proposition.

If Xbox creates a first-party tier, I think both PlayStation and Nintendo would be happy to make that deal. It'll be beneficial for all parties involved: PS, Nintendo, and Xbox. It'd be similar to EA Play.

They are, by buying up the biggest 3rd party publishers.

 

[azertydu91]

Just making sure people realized these were my opinions and was not trying to make others feel the same

Side note this silly guy has done NG+ 5 times now and working on completing it 10 times.

The thing is unless specified we all talk about our own opinion even moreso talking about the quality of a game.There are some here that feels like they are talking for the majority, nobody knows where it stands yet.That's why I mostly avoided posting in this thread, it'll be better once the dust has settled.

 

[adamsapple]

Nice edit without mentioning it...

You noticed it though.

Yes be excited its a great game

Can do things like this

Boil 'em, Mash 'em, stick 'em on a ship.

 

[diffusionx]

We had some saying GOAT. Some saying GOTG. Even more saying GOTY. We even had folks in the review prediction thread scoffing at the mere suggestion that the score would be less than 90. One guy said if it scored less than 90 then metacritic would be exposed as a sham. I'm not going to go and dig up the posts because I don't think it is worth it, but I remember them.

So let's look at this realistically from where we were. At this point, Starfield looks to be a distant third in GOTY based on reaction and reviews. That's no where near what the hype said it would be.

Look....I'm adamantly defending the game itself because I love it, but at some point we have to acknowledge that expectations were quite a bit inflated. So if you are enjoying the game then it is time to put away the nonsense about the hype and let go of the need for hype and reality to be the same. It is still a great game.



Yeah, I got carried away with it. My hype was sky high and then fell dramatically when I realized the limited space exploration and space combat. But.....after putting in 40 hours, my excitement level has risen back up and I'm not worried about the game's accolades anymore. Just enjoying the hell out of this, because with all the game's warts, I'm personally finding it to be extremely rewarding. In the end, that's what I paid for. Not metacritic scores.

I think it's fair to say Starfield is a disappointment. I was really hyped during the reveal but thinking about it and comparing it to what people are saying now, it's clear they were very clever and careful about how they structured that video, to the point where you could easily get the impression the game is something it is not. That is their fault. I wish they were more honest about the game. But while we've had lots of great games recently, like TOTK/BG3/SF6/RE4/etc., we have gotten disappointing ones too, like Diablo 4 and FFXVI. Not everything can be amazing.

It will be interesting to see what happens here. Some people have said that this game will be modded and fixed and cleaned up and have a long life like Skyrim, but, well, Skyrim got a 95 on MC. This game seems a lot closer to Fallout 4, and while that game definitely has its fans, it didn't hit the way their prior games did.

 

[Diseased Yak]

Hype was definitely inflated, way too much, for sure. I'm over 40 hours in now as well, and I can't stop thinking about it and can't wait to fire it back up again. I also have grown numb to the "it's cool to hate on Starfield" crowd.

I've put in 1000's of hours into the Elder Scrolls and Fallout series games over the years, and I can easily see now that Starfield will be no different. I love it.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

So weak. These retards should leave the console wars to professionals like me and stay at the playground.

 

[jm89]

Did any of the reviewers mentioned this situation?

https://x.com/xboxuk/status/1699007063152627734?s=46&t=aVYUpRYzg-bv2n8am2mMAg

Series s easter egg?

 

[SirKicksalot]

Not all repetition is bad. I can replay that one low gravity mineshaft for hours with different gear and skills! It's a really fun level.
I wouldn't mind revisiting some of the larger bases and hangars. The level design is really good.

 

[Topher]

I think it's fair to say Starfield is a disappointment. I was really hyped during the reveal but thinking about it and comparing it to what people are saying now, it's clear they were very clever and careful about how they structured that video, to the point where you could easily get the impression the game is something it is not. That is their fault. I wish they were more honest about the game. But while we've had lots of great games recently, like TOTK/BG3/SF6/RE4/etc., we have gotten disappointing ones too, like Diablo 4 and FFXVI. Not everything can be amazing.

It will be interesting to see what happens here. Some people have said that this game will be modded and fixed and cleaned up and have a long life like Skyrim, but, well, Skyrim got a 95 on MC. This game seems a lot closer to Fallout 4, and while that game definitely has its fans, it didn't hit the way their prior games did.

They should have allowed some game hands on previews so that the media could bring those expectations down a bit and clarify what the game is and what it is not. Bethesda didn't do that and so I was initially disappointed. For me, the game redeemed itself and I'm quite happy with my purchase, but yes, you are correct that there was not enough information relayed about the game prior to early access.

 

[SlimySnake]

I mean, you’ll never get a more obnoxious display than Cyberpunk where CDPR’s pet dogs proudly sat in their Cyberpunk gamer chair gifts whilst they shilled the game.

And no one cared.

Like, you only need the bare minimum going on inside your mind to see that and think to yourself ‘hmm, maybe this person isn’t being objective?’.

Xbox are the same, they send their YouTube army free consoles, headsets with customised stands and controllers all the time.

Where you can’t foster good will, buy it.

cyberpunk on PC also debuted at 89. it sat at 88 for a while too.

Absolutely bizarre because the game flat out sucked day one and still does. I know some people found enjoyment in it, thats great, i enjoy plenty of broken messes like anthem, metal gear survive and andromeda, but they did not get 89 on launch day.

If it was an 89 then CD Project wouldnt be completely revamping the game's combat, mechanics, rpg elements, AI, quest design and more some 3 years later. Even they knew it was not the game they wanted to make.

I dont think Starfield is that bad, but its very similar in that it is not the game any one of us expected from a studio that made witcher 3.

 

[DeepEnigma]

They should have allowed some game hands on previews so that the media could bring those expectations down a bit and clarify what the game is and what it is not. Bethesda didn't do that and so I was initially disappointed. For me, the game redeemed itself and I'm quite happy with my purchase, but yes, you are correct that there was not enough information relayed about the game prior to early access.

I wonder why that was?

 

[Heisenberg007]

New reviews have started to come in:

Starfield Review - A Massive Mess, If You Can Play It - EIP Gaming

Starfield is a Bethesda RPG. Solid skeleton on its own, better with mods. A bit overhyped until the inevitable turn, when people will start making video essays entitled "I was WRONG about Starfield" or "Starfield is an Absolute Nightmare." It's a game just about everyone (well, not everyone, but we…

eip.gg

5/10

https://www.eurogamer.pt/starfield-review-analise-promessas-nao-cumpridas-xbox-series-x-pc

3/5 (6/10)

 

[FearlessBelgian]

No spoil please but do we really need to rush for NG+ ?

 

[Topher]

No spoil please but do we really need to rush for NG+ ?

There is some debate about that, but I'm not doing it. I never rush a Bethesda game. Enjoy the journey, I say.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

No spoil please but do we really need to rush for NG+ ?

Yeah it goes from a 1/10 to a 10/10

Spoiler

No you don't. Don't listen to the retards

 

[diffusionx]

No spoil please but do we really need to rush for NG+ ?

I find that talk coming from the Colt Eastwood types to be the most damning of all; the whole point of Bethesda games is the freedom to play it the way you want, and the "fans" of the game are telling you to play it this one certain way.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

New reviews have started to come in:

Starfield Review - A Massive Mess, If You Can Play It - EIP Gaming

Starfield is a Bethesda RPG. Solid skeleton on its own, better with mods. A bit overhyped until the inevitable turn, when people will start making video essays entitled "I was WRONG about Starfield" or "Starfield is an Absolute Nightmare." It's a game just about everyone (well, not everyone, but we…

eip.gg

5/10

https://www.eurogamer.pt/starfield-review-analise-promessas-nao-cumpridas-xbox-series-x-pc

3/5 (6/10)

Sorry rats. They must have seen my post that I would refund if it dropped 1 or 2 more points on metacritic.

 

[DeepEnigma]

New reviews have started to come in:

Starfield Review - A Massive Mess, If You Can Play It - EIP Gaming

Starfield is a Bethesda RPG. Solid skeleton on its own, better with mods. A bit overhyped until the inevitable turn, when people will start making video essays entitled "I was WRONG about Starfield" or "Starfield is an Absolute Nightmare." It's a game just about everyone (well, not everyone, but we…

eip.gg

5/10

https://www.eurogamer.pt/starfield-review-analise-promessas-nao-cumpridas-xbox-series-x-pc

3/5 (6/10)

Those "delayed" review keys put this into a whole new perspective.

 

[Banjo64]

I find that talk coming from the Colt Eastwood types to be the most damning of all; the whole point of Bethesda games is the freedom to play it the way you want, and the "fans" of the game are telling you to play it this one certain way.

We’ve gone from ‘next year’ to ‘next playthrough’ The ‘Soon™’ runs deep at this point.

 

[Gudji]

New reviews have started to come in:

Starfield Review - A Massive Mess, If You Can Play It - EIP Gaming

Starfield is a Bethesda RPG. Solid skeleton on its own, better with mods. A bit overhyped until the inevitable turn, when people will start making video essays entitled "I was WRONG about Starfield" or "Starfield is an Absolute Nightmare." It's a game just about everyone (well, not everyone, but we…

eip.gg

5/10

https://www.eurogamer.pt/starfield-review-analise-promessas-nao-cumpridas-xbox-series-x-pc

3/5 (6/10)

Metro is probably going to give a 6 too from the impressions article.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

No spoil please but do we really need to rush for NG+ ?

No you don't NEED to there are just some perks in doing so but it wont ruin your experience to not ever do NG+

That said I am doing it

 

[Elios83]

Too much drama.
The 85-86 metacritic the game will settle on is a good score per se.
Even if it has flaws, even if it won't be the new Skyrim and it won't be the turnaround moment for the Xbox brand that many people are desperate to see, it will still be a good Fallout 4-level title and many people will enjoy it.

 

[Humdinger]

I saw that video already, like i said, every game has repeated content, if the dude was expecting 1000 fully explorable planets with no copy paste content he is naive at best, a disingenuous moron at worse.


The game getting good after a certain couple of hours is not a rule for everyone, days gone was another game with a supposed slow start and i liked that game since the first second, i'm sure that that 20 hours to get good is not remotely the same for everyone, and tbh, in a game with enough content to play for probably 200-300 hours with a gigantic amount of mechanics and shit, having a slow start is not a big deal, at least to me.

None of their previous games was balls on the walls action or had an incredible plot from the get go, all of their games are slow burners.


Even if you ignore the random planet exploration like i'm doing for the most part, you still get a lot of classic bethesda exploration in the 4 huge cities, it's not like the entire game is menu based.

Like i said, for now i'm scoring the game a 7 so i know that it is far from a perfect game.

Eh, I think he was pretty well-informed. Making assumptions about his expectations and calling him a moron doesn't help. Maybe he just expected exploration to be, you know, interesting? To be accompanied by a sense of wonder and discovery, like previous Bethesda games? If that is too much to expect, I don't know what to say.

Anyhow, I'm glad you're enjoying the exploration. It sounds boring to me, but I'm fine if others feel differently. I'm just expressing my opinion.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Those "delayed" review keys put this into a whole new perspective.

Live look of when they were told they would get their key late

 

[graywolf323]

No you don't NEED to there are just some perks in doing so but it wont ruin your experience to not ever do NG+

That said I am doing it

what are the perks? if it’s spoilery could you just send me a PM with some more details please? I’ve been debating whether or not to do that myself

 

[CatLady]

Hype was definitely inflated, way too much, for sure. I'm over 40 hours in now as well, and I can't stop thinking about it and can't wait to fire it back up again. I also have grown numb to the "it's cool to hate on Starfield" crowd.

I've put in 1000's of hours into the Elder Scrolls and Fallout series games over the years, and I can easily see now that Starfield will be no different. I love it.

This is me too. I keep neglecting things I need to take care of and putting it off to tomorrow so I can play Starfield. I had great intentions for today but there is always tomorrow so now I off to space again.

P.S. It's totally NOT cool to hate on Starfield. It's obnoxious and childish to be so petty.

 

[Raven117]

Im ready to give it a shot!

I don't have high expectations. A good soundtrack...cruise around a little bit...a decent story...its all I need for a good time.

 

[RyRy93]

They did it recently at the showcase gameplay trailer.

Ah ok, Spider-Man 2018 had a “puddlegate” scandal

 

[MarkMe2525]

How ass are the animations? Holy shit. PS2 games seem more realistic.

There are PS2 games with more cats in them as well. What does that have to do with anything? RDR2 has amazing animations, but if you jump off a cliff into some water, you don't see Arthur doing a half flip twist into the water. Same with Elden Ring, Gears of War, GoW, etc.....

Simply put, climbing on top of a building to then jump off into some water is not a designated mechanic in the game.

 

[Pelta88]

New reviews have started to come in:

Starfield Review - A Massive Mess, If You Can Play It - EIP Gaming

Starfield is a Bethesda RPG. Solid skeleton on its own, better with mods. A bit overhyped until the inevitable turn, when people will start making video essays entitled "I was WRONG about Starfield" or "Starfield is an Absolute Nightmare." It's a game just about everyone (well, not everyone, but we…

eip.gg

5/10

https://www.eurogamer.pt/starfield-review-analise-promessas-nao-cumpridas-xbox-series-x-pc

3/5 (6/10)

Only the reviews that land on meta are going to push the conversation.

 

[Heisenberg007]

Only the reviews that land on meta are going to push the conversation.

EIP is on Opencritic. Eurogamer Portugal is on both Opencritic and Metacritic.

 

[DeepEnigma]

There are PS2 games with more cats in them as well. What does that have to do with anything? RDR2 has amazing animations, but if you jump off a cliff into some water, you don't see Arthur doing a half flip twist into the water. Same with Elden Ring, Gears of War, GoW, etc.....

Simply put, climbing on top of a building to then jump off into some water is not a designated mechanic in the game.

In RDR2 you die halfway down if too high and the ragdolls are glorious. Almost MK fatality cinematics, lol.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Bruh i've hit the deja vu point

Exact same base, in the exact same position, with the exact same enemies, with the exact same locked chest.

Like, I get it. There was going to be reused content, but there should be deeper levels to the procedural generation so it's not an exact 1 to 1

 

[BlueLyria]

Bruh i've hit the deja vu point

Exact same base, in the exact same position, with the exact same enemies, with the exact same locked chest

You're not ready for Todd's vision

 

[DeepEnigma]

Bruh i've hit the deja vu point

Exact same base, in the exact same position, with the exact same enemies, with the exact same locked chest

Bethesda boss says he's put 150 hours into Starfield and "hasn't even come close" to seeing everything

"There's so much stuff I have intentionally not done"

www.gamesradar.com

Maybe because he's seeing the same thing?

 

[Pelta88]

EIP is on Opencritic. Eurogamer Portugal is on both Opencritic and Metacritic.

85 is still an incredible score but due to the discourse around Starfield... If that 6 lands, and drops the score to 85...

I don't expect everyone to make it

 

[Darsxx82]

New reviews have started to come in:

Starfield Review - A Massive Mess, If You Can Play It - EIP Gaming

Starfield is a Bethesda RPG. Solid skeleton on its own, better with mods. A bit overhyped until the inevitable turn, when people will start making video essays entitled "I was WRONG about Starfield" or "Starfield is an Absolute Nightmare." It's a game just about everyone (well, not everyone, but we…

eip.gg

5/10

https://www.eurogamer.pt/starfield-review-analise-promessas-nao-cumpridas-xbox-series-x-pc

3/5 (6/10)

EurogamerPT: Before being bought by Eurogamer Group it was called LusoPlaystation. Practically all of its staff remains. Known for publishing continuous articles inciting the console war.

Eip: According to the analysis, he don't know what grade you should give to Starfield (10/10, 8/10, 2/10?...). He takes a position in favor of giving it a 7.5 but says that he cut 2.5 points because its accessibility modes are disgusting.

Imagine defending that all the 9-10/10 ratings are undeserved and biased in favor of Xbox/Bethesda and then defending that the 4-5-6/10 ratings (which coincidentally now flourish) are rational, sensible, and unbiased against Xbox/Bethesda.

 

[MarkMe2525]

In RDR2 you die halfway down if too high and the ragdolls are glorious. Almost MK fatality cinematics, lol.

Oh for sure, I love RDR2 and I have had plenty of moments like you mentioned that made me giggle, but that is for another discussion.

 

[Tsaki]

EIP is on Opencritic. Eurogamer Portugal is on both Opencritic and Metacritic.

Are they "Top Critic" though? Only those go to the aggregate in OC.