DeepEnigma
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Killjoy-NL
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You're delusional if you think a game of this caliber won't be a GOTY-contender.
I don't even like the Spider-Man games and can easily see it being on the nominees lists.
Ass of Can Whooping
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And yet I'm the one rumored to have spawned off illegitimate xbox fanboy children?
I have a confession to make. It's my greatest mistake
Well, we'll see I suppose. I think it's obvious it'll be in some conversations, as will almost every game that has an average of 8 or higher (including Starfield and even The Game That Shall Not Be Named), but it won't be on most finalized lists and won't win the actual award of the vast majority of sites and publications.
Spider-Man 2 looks to be doing everything that 1 (and Miles Morales) did, on a non-technical level, with seemingly minor changes. Neither of the previous games won any Game of the Year awards, that I know of, and I think it's silly to think this will.
Topher
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I have a confession to make. It's my greatest mistake
I'm comparing highly-anticipated first-party games that are (at least seemingly) heavily derivative of their predecessors, particularly in context of being nominated for Game of the Year. I would include Breath of the Wild in this conversation as well, but that game, according to the general consensus, added elements that made it feel like something new and uncommonly good.why do you keep bringing up Starfield in a preview thread for Spider-Man 2?
analog_future
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Maybe a different city? Or multiple locations/world traversal through the game? Or something fun/crazy like some Spider-Verse madness? Or I dunno, any type of twist that makes this seem like a major leap over the last game(s)?
I'm just not seeing a major leap in this ala Uncharted 1 > 2 or Last of Us 1 > 2 or any number of other titles that made large leaps with their sequels.
It'll be fun and I'm looking forward to it and I'm going to play it, but not a single thing I've seen so far has made me *excited* to play day one.
Imtjnotu
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Crispy Gamer
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Totally agree it'll take a lot to dethrone Arkham City, for me it's the perfect super hero game
MasterCornholio
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With your standards for critical hits this shouldn't be a problem for you. I'm sure it will make your list.
analog_future
Banned
Ya'll are so sensitive lol. I promise my lack of excitement won't sour your experience.
I'm sure the game will be great and hell yeah it'll make my list
MasterCornholio
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Then what's your issue?
Game will be great but your not excited for it. I'm always excited for good games.
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analog_future
Banned
I already shared why I'm not feeling the hype right now. Feel free to read it.
MasterCornholio
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Well then your not excited to play a good game for whatever reason.
itsjustJEFF
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I'll probably be playing this game. I played both previous games, but they didn't really grab me. This one looks more promising, at least right now it does.
I think asking for a different city is a hard ask, it is Spider-Man after all. He is based in NY just like Batman is based in Gotham city. They did add 2 new burrows, but I feel like Marvel still have a firm hold on the direction for these games. We might get to swing about in a future Spider-Man game, but I think it's a little early for Marvel to allow that. I do agree tho, a Spider-Verse thing would have been very cool, but again it's probably a Marvel call, just my speculation.
analog_future
Banned
You're honestly excited to play every good game that comes out?
There's plenty of good/great games that simply haven't excited me or aren't my jam. Just over the last year there's been Street Fighter 6, Armored Core VI, Elden Ring, Xenoblade Chronicles 3, etc.. etc..
MasterCornholio
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You should have just said that Spiderman isn't your type of game and that you won't be playing it.
No need to make it confusing.
analog_future
Banned
Spider-Man is my type of game. Sequels that appear derivative and lacking innovation don't get me hyped up.
Again, I'm sure it'll be great, and I will be playing it, but I'm not personally feeling the hype for it thus far.
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Spiderman was my favorite game of last generation. Im one of those weirdos that liked the side missions especially the nonsensical environmental stuff and photo taking.
We have two games. If you werent feeling those this wont change your mind, but this is the only game I will 100% all year. Well maybe Mario wonder if it's manageable. Between Starfield, Spiderman, and Mario this will be the first time I've got to juggle all 3 of my consoles at once. Great time for gaming.
We have two games. If you werent feeling those this wont change your mind, but this is the only game I will 100% all year. Well maybe Mario wonder if it's manageable. Between Starfield, Spiderman, and Mario this will be the first time I've got to juggle all 3 of my consoles at once. Great time for gaming.
Ass of Can Whooping
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Menu based web slinging would have really set the bar
MasterCornholio
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So why are you not excited for a good game?
You don't have to go full hype for it but if it's your type of game and it's good there's reason for excitement.
If I know a game will be bad or it isn't my type of game I'm not excited for it. That's what I assumed your case was.
analog_future
Banned
I've already shared why I'm not excited.
I feel like we're just going in circles now so I'm going to disengage.
MasterCornholio
Member
Your still not making any sense.
I'm going to assume your just pulling my leg.
It's fine if you don't like it but be honest about it. Everyone has a right to like or dislike something.
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El Pistolero
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Uncharted 2 adds better graphics and animations, better set-pieces, and tighter controls, compared to the original. That's it, really.
XXL
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TheGodfather07
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You mentioned uncharted and last of us in your reply to me though. How were they innovative sequels. It was more of the same but better. That's exactly what Spider-man 2 is. Theres even a bigger difference here because of the use of the PS5 hardware. Almost instant loading, faster traversal through the city. instant fast traversal to any part of the city. These are pretty big Leaps over Spider-man.
MasterCornholio
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I played all the Uncharteds and they all play very similarly. Even though Uncharted never reinvented itself I always enjoyed them. What I'm saying is that sequels done have to be completely different in order for them to be good. Sticking with the same formula and improving the experience is something that's great to do.
DenchDeckard
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More spiderman will be amazing.
MasterCornholio
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Well i would be careful with hyping it up to much because you don't want to be massively disappointed. Although it's fine to be excited for it.
Audiophile
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Bit of a random thought here: but one thing I still find myself slightly underwhelmed by in these games is the visual sense of scale from the player's perspective.
I see a shot like this from one of the movies and the sense of height and scale is immense:
Yet in the games the buildings still feel small by comparison when looking from the bottom up or top down. It doesn't feel vast, better than ever before, sure... but not a patch on the shots above. This is primarily a function of of camera focal length, fov, placement and a few other lesser elements.
Of course, in a movie they have full control over these things to maximise the effect and games in contrast have to utilise them in a practical way for gameplay. Yet at the same time I still wish they could loosen these constraints a little and push more for visual scale. I also wonder if the buildings/environment are really to scale relative to the player character model; Even with all these other elements taken into account, I get a feeling the ratio is smaller than it would be in real life.
The matrix awakens demo is the only thing that has come close in terms of building scale. If you stand at the bottom of some of them and look up; the sense of scale is unlike any other games I've seen.
The visuals get better and better but that organic, epic sense of wonder by way of scale is still missing.
I see a shot like this from one of the movies and the sense of height and scale is immense:
Yet in the games the buildings still feel small by comparison when looking from the bottom up or top down. It doesn't feel vast, better than ever before, sure... but not a patch on the shots above. This is primarily a function of of camera focal length, fov, placement and a few other lesser elements.
Of course, in a movie they have full control over these things to maximise the effect and games in contrast have to utilise them in a practical way for gameplay. Yet at the same time I still wish they could loosen these constraints a little and push more for visual scale. I also wonder if the buildings/environment are really to scale relative to the player character model; Even with all these other elements taken into account, I get a feeling the ratio is smaller than it would be in real life.
The matrix awakens demo is the only thing that has come close in terms of building scale. If you stand at the bottom of some of them and look up; the sense of scale is unlike any other games I've seen.
The visuals get better and better but that organic, epic sense of wonder by way of scale is still missing.
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I feel like Uncharted 2
This is a game my guy. If you make the buildings to scale it would take too long to traverse and explore. It's like this in every game. It's not that they couldnt do it. It's that they chose not toBit of a random thought here: but one thing I still find myself slightly underwhelmed by in these games is the visual sense of scale from the player's perspective.
I see a shot like this from one of the movies and the sense of height and scale is immense:
Yet in the games the buildings still feel small by comparison when looking from the bottom up or top down. It doesn't feel vast, better than ever before, sure... but not a patch on the shots above. This is primarily a function of of camera focal length, fov, placement and a few other lesser elements.
Of course, in a movie they have full control over these things to maximise the effect and games in contrast have to utilise them in a practical way for gameplay. Yet at the same time I still wish they could loosen these constraints a little and push more for visual scale. I also wonder if the buildings/environment are really to scale relative to the player character model; Even with all these other elements taken into account, I get a feeling the ratio is smaller than it would be in real life.
The matrix awakens demo is the only thing that has come close in terms of building scale. If you stand at the bottom of some of them and look up; the sense of scale is unlike any other games I've seen.
The visuals get better and better but that organic, epic sense of wonder by way of scale is still missing.
Killjoy-NL
Member
Doesn't Sony own the rights to Spider-Man?
Wouldn't that mean that Marvel doesn't have a say in the matter?
I've never really understood why Uncharted 2 was considered to be such a massive improvement over the first. It's very much more of the same, just refined and with better graphics.
I've also never understood why Uncharted 3 is considered to be inferior to 2.
We've technically already experienced those things in both Miles Morales and Spider-Man Remastered.
MasterCornholio
Member
Well i remember Uncharted 2 had some pretty big cinematic moments compared to the first one. The building collapsing and the train sequence were pretty impressive for its time.
itsjustJEFF
Member
I think Sony "owns" the film/game rights to use Spider-man, but they don't actually "own" the Spider-Man IP, if that makes sense. It's like an exclusive licensing deal. So my guess is that ultimately Marvel has a say.
TheGodfather07
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Not at all. You can't fast travel anywhere on the map in miles morales. Swinging speed is the same as spider-man. No wingsuit. Did you play them? You would know these things if you did.
Killjoy-NL
Member
Yeah, but since Sony was going to be pull Spider-Man out of the MCU when they got into that back and forth with Disney, wouldn't it possible that it’s more than just exclusive licensing?
I believe it’s a bit of a confusing situation regarding the Spider-Man IP.
itsjustJEFF
Member
Could be the case. I looked into it and it's very confusing. Someone owns "Amazing Spider-Man" but then someone else owns "A way home" it seems to be all over the place.
Topher
Gold Member
Story and as
MasterCornholio
said, cinematic moments. In Spider-man 2, we've got Lizard, Venom and Kraven in the game. Who knows where all that is going to go? And that's the thing, we don't know. No point in even speculating. Average play through of the first game's main story was 17 hours. That is not a short play through.
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Topher
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Hard to say, but it was revealed during the ABK acquisition that Marvel offered to let Microsoft make the game before eventually coming to Sony. That would mean this wasn't related to MCU at all.
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Audiophile
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I do wonder though if they could stack small-to-moderate changes in order to at least achieve the effect to a greater degree. Some tweaks to the camera, a middleground on building scale and speeding up some very specific aspects of the traversal to compensate.
I feel like no matter how good the visuals and many other elements of these games get, that real sense of being spidey swinging across a vast city with that epic sense of scale and wonder is never going to quite come to fruition.
These games are great, but I see the shots from the movies -- and while I know we're never going to quite reach that level for the aforementioned reasons -- I still find myself longing for that 'epicness' in the games. Right now, by comparison, they feel small and quaint.
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