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Graphical Fidelity I Expect This Gen

Hunnybun

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Power of the PS5.

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Ten points to whoever figures our which one is from Spiderman 2.

I don't know for sure but the one on the left looks at least a generation beyond the other two, so I'd guess that's from Spider-Man 2.

As an avid Xbox fanboy I can't get over how spectacularly the PlayStation studios are overshadowing their Microsoft counterparts, it's devastating for me tbh.
 

PeteBull

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sad that it was downgraded from this

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U say downgraded, i say it was cgi (bullshot/target render)or unplayable fps(like 2minutes per 1 frame), just look how bad top gpu's, current 4090 and 7900xtx run in that game, u think back in the e3 2021(thats when we got this nice bullshot trailer;p) when top pc gpu was rtx 3090 they could make it all run in real time?, then over 2 years later on 4090 it looks 4x worse and still cant hold 4k60 w/o dlss/framegen ?;)

Edit: We all arent casuals who will get hyped over cgi anymore, hopefully, i mean we can apreciate it, but we definitely can recognise stuff like that, which is too heavy even vs top pc gpu's now(that are 3x stronger from xsx/ps5 gpu) to believe it ran on current gen consoles or back then on top pc rigs ;)
sony devs do it too ofc

in that trailer "captured on ps5" meant probably same thing what "in engine" meant in that game awards hellblade 2 reveal cgi trailer, aka 100% lie back then that was strongest pc gpu lol https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-rtx-2080-ti.c3305 (game awards 2019 so end of the 2019 ;)
 
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mansoor1980

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U say downgraded, i say it was cgi (bullshot/target render)or unplayable fps(like 2minutes per 1 frame), just look how bad top gpu's, current 4090 and 7900xtx run in that game, u think back in the e3 2021(thats when we got this nice bullshot trailer;p) when top pc gpu was rtx 3090 they could make it all run in real time?, then over 2 years later on 4090 it looks 4x worse and still cant hold 4k60 w/o dlss/framegen ?;)
most people here claimed it was a real time cut-scene and indicative of final release
 

ChiefDada

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Sorry guys gotta call bs on downplaying SM2. It is the most next gen looking game we have seen yet and comes very clothes to looking like a movie even during gameplay. It looks very much like the CG trailers we got for 2018 SM.






This screen can pass for being taken from a movie. Inomniac motion blur is amazing

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ChiefDada

Gold Member
Power of the PS5.

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Ten points to whoever figures our which one is from Spiderman 2.

Fair criticism. I only know because I saw the previews it came from. I'm not surprised people are choosing wrong answer. But I bet the scene won't look this bad on final release just as I said they weren't finished with initial gameplay reveal and I was proven right. The most recent build they showed on Friday is confirmed to be 6 weeks old.

Still overall it's easily the best looking game this gen.
 

Turk1993

GAFs #1 source for car graphic comparisons
If you think our screenshots are comparable then best of luck to you in life.
Our screens are as comparable as your screens are to cgi and movies lol, that was the point. You call everything like a movie and CGI like. You did the same shit for FF16 and now you do it for SM2. Nobody is saying that SM2 looks bad, infact almost everybody said that its a very good looking game but not the level we expected it to be for a current gen only game. You on the other hand act like this is the best looking thing ever which its not even close to it.
 

SlimySnake

Flashless at the Golden Globes
I don't know for sure but the one on the left looks at least a generation beyond the other two, so I'd guess that's from Spider-Man 2.

As an avid Xbox fanboy I can't get over how spectacularly the PlayStation studios are overshadowing their Microsoft counterparts, it's devastating for me tbh.
Winner winner chicken dinner.

10-points-to-gryffindor
 

ChiefDada

Gold Member
Our screens are as comparable as your screens are to cgi and movies lol, that was the point.

Your "point" doesn't make any sense. What I showed was per object motion blur. You are just showing nonsense. Good execution of PO MB has a character object moving with convincing blur effect of other characters/assets in inverse direction. It's the reason why HFR movies like Gemini Man looks awful to most people. And why movies like MI (and most other 24fps blockbuster action movies) look great.

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You call everything like a movie and CGI like. You did the same shit for FF16 and now you do it for SM2. Nobody is saying that SM2 looks bad, infact almost everybody said that its a very good looking game but not the level we expected it to be for a current gen only game. You on the other hand act like this is the best looking thing ever which its not even close to it.

Because it's true. FF16 and now SM2 have excellent per object motion blur and when combined with jumps in visual fidelity elsewhere provides for a more CG like appearance. I mean, DF even admitted so with one of their FF16 videos so I I'm not sure why you're getting butthurt over it. You should expect real-time graphics to look closer to movies as tech/generations advance. And yeah, overall, it is among the very best we've seen this gen so far. It is what it is.
 

Turk1993

GAFs #1 source for car graphic comparisons
Your "point" doesn't make any sense. What I showed was per object motion blur. You are just showing nonsense. Good execution of PO MB has a character object moving with convincing blur effect of other characters/assets in inverse direction. It's the reason why HFR movies like Gemini Man looks awful to most people. And why movies like MI (and most other 24fps blockbuster action movies) look great.

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Because it's true. FF16 and now SM2 have excellent per object motion blur and when combined with jumps in visual fidelity elsewhere provides for a more CG like appearance. I mean, DF even admitted so with one of their FF16 videos so I I'm not sure why you're getting butthurt over it. You should expect real-time graphics to look closer to movies as tech/generations advance. And yeah, overall, it is among the very best we've seen this gen so far. It is what it is.
Bruh you are posting 240p compressed image with heavy motion blur and compared it to CGI and movie's. At first i thought you was joking but wtf you are dead serious.
 

ChiefDada

Gold Member
Bruh you are posting 240p compressed image with heavy motion blur and compared it to CGI and movie's. At first i thought you was joking but wtf you are dead serious.

"Bruh", no. I explained to you how per object motion blur is important to achieve sense of realism.
 

shamoomoo

Member
Our screens are as comparable as your screens are to cgi and movies lol, that was the point. You call everything like a movie and CGI like. You did the same shit for FF16 and now you do it for SM2. Nobody is saying that SM2 looks bad, infact almost everybody said that its a very good looking game but not the level we expected it to be for a current gen only game. You on the other hand act like this is the best looking thing ever which its not even close to it.
To get better visuals we need more power.
 

adamsapple

Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Winner winner chicken dinner.

10-points-to-gryffindor



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most people here claimed it was a real time cut-scene and indicative of final release

From one of the games lighting artists, it was captured in real time from the game itself as per him. We just don't see that kind of camera work in the final game, so can't replicate it the same way.


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mansoor1980

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From one of the games lighting artists, it was captured in real time from the game itself as per him. We just don't see that kind of camera work in the final game, so can't replicate it the same way.


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they dont look similar and he suggests the final game might look better , lies
 

SlimySnake

Flashless at the Golden Globes
They both couldnt be done on last gen, but they both cant hold a candle vs what we would love to see as an actual next gen graphics- the matrix demo quality, unless u talking bs pics/traliers/cgi/cutscenes/in engine etc= aka not gameplay ;)
Spider-Man couldn’t be done last Gen?

Are we talking about the fast traversal or graphics?
 

ChiefDada

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From one of the games lighting artists, it was captured in real time from the game itself as per him. We just don't see that kind of camera work in the final game, so can't replicate it the same way.


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Boy if you don't gtfo of this thread your coping ass...
 

ChiefDada

Gold Member
Spider-Man couldn’t be done last Gen?

Are we talking about the fast traversal or graphics?

No, hardware based stochastic ray-traced reflections and seamless transitions with SM2 level density could not have been done on last gen consoles.

As for Starfield, I seriously suspect PS4 hardware would reject such hideous graphics from being executed on the GPU so technically in a way, it also couldn't run on a last gen console.

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PeteBull

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Spider-Man couldn’t be done last Gen?

Are we talking about the fast traversal or graphics?
Combo of res, fast traversal and rt, if u downgraded it enough- aka cut out all rt, reduce res to 1080p, ofc 30fps, and slow down traversal/implement starfield alike loading screens, then it would be possible, but then it wouldnt be same game ;p
 

SlimySnake

Flashless at the Golden Globes
Combo of res, fast traversal and rt, if u downgraded it enough- aka cut out all rt, reduce res to 1080p, ofc 30fps, and slow down traversal/implement starfield alike loading screens, then it would be possible, but then it wouldnt be same game ;p
But that logic Spider-Man miles would be considered a next Gen game. It had rt, resolution and fast loading. Only thing it didn’t have was faster traversal.

You just described 3 years of cross Gen games.
 

Topher

Gold Member
I haven’t played Starfield nor will I ever plan to, but I’ve seen Colteastwood tweeting that a single tile in Starfield is roughly the same size or bigger than the whole Spider-Man 2 map. Is that true?

Maybe. You are talking about a tile filled with damn near nothing but plants and rocks though versus New York City. Not sure why he thinks that is some major gotcha. Oh wait......yes I do.
 

PeteBull

Member
But that logic Spider-Man miles would be considered a next Gen game. It had rt, resolution and fast loading. Only thing it didn’t have was faster traversal.

You just described 3 years of cross Gen games.
It didnt have rt nor higher res on ps4, spiderman2 is next gen, just its not super impressive, same like many next gen only games we got already.

U want next gen fidelity, which means 30fps, no rt and 1080p or some 796p upresed by fsr2, since only this will make sure enough of power in those consoles is left for generational jump in visuals, fast traversal in spiderman2 automatically makes it impossible to look trully "next gen", what would have potential to look trully next gen would be something like the order 1886 sequel, black bars to reduce pixel amount, 30fps, corridor shooter, slow pace, basically everything possible to make sure all the oomph in ps5 or xsx is put into bells and whistles.

Btw, many times mentioned by u as an example of amazing looking game- horizon FW is crossgen too, its dlc isnt, and does it really matter?
Forza horizon is crossgen, MS flight Sim cant run on last gen, so is next gen too, even tho it launched back in august 2020 on pc ;)

Cp2077 is crossgen, rdr2 is lastgen, but good looking game is still a looker even tho its crossgen/last gen.

Demons souls ran and looked like shit on ps3, yet with competent devteam its a looker on ps5, and has 4k30 and 1440p60 modes too, just no rt, simply no more oomph was left, ofc no open world, and no fast traversal either, gotta make trade offs, same like with starfield- terrible npcs/ loading screens, and long ones(on consoles) basically all the time ;/

Cant have it all here, current gen consoles are simply too weak, its smallest jump ever in terms of gpu, cpu 3x jump isnt bad, but only coz that shitty jaguar tablet gpu in last gen consoles.
 

SlimySnake

Flashless at the Golden Globes
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From one of the games lighting artists, it was captured in real time from the game itself as per him. We just don't see that kind of camera work in the final game, so can't replicate it the same way.


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I remember posting this on the second page of this thread. Its unfortunate that they decided to go with traditional bethesda storytelling. Cutscenes in this engine would look amazing.

It doesn’t help that the game was downgraded on xsx. Some of the screenshots I’ve seen posted to show the game looking poor seem to be from the Xsx version so they kind of screwed the pooch with that last comment saying it will look better on the xsx. Maybe the shouldve targeted an internal 1080p resolution on the xsx and pushed fidelity higher to what I’m playing on PC.
 

alloush

Member
Lead VFX artist confirmed it after someone posted a comparison between it and the CG trailer for Miles.



Like I said, shameless devs from top to bottom.

She outright lied, man. That’s a straight up lie. She should be called out on it, she is lying to the consumer blatantly. Honestly screw her and any dev who lies, the trailer she was referring to looked straight up CGI and all of us sorry asses believed her even though deep inside I was telling myself “no way that’s realtime, the ps5 aint got the juice to do this” but we still believed her cuz we wanted to believe.

I don’t think any other gen has taught me as many valuable lessons as this gen has and we are only 3 years in and haven’t even completed 3 years yet.
 

Turk1993

GAFs #1 source for car graphic comparisons
It didnt have rt nor higher res on ps4, spiderman2 is next gen, just its not super impressive, same like many next gen only games we got already.

U want next gen fidelity, which means 30fps, no rt and 1080p or some 796p upresed by fsr2, since only this will make sure enough of power in those consoles is left for generational jump in visuals, fast traversal in spiderman2 automatically makes it impossible to look trully "next gen", what would have potential to look trully next gen would be something like the order 1886 sequel, black bars to reduce pixel amount, 30fps, corridor shooter, slow pace, basically everything possible to make sure all the oomph in ps5 or xsx is put into bells and whistles.

Btw, many times mentioned by u as an example of amazing looking game- horizon FW is crossgen too, its dlc isnt, and does it really matter?
Forza horizon is crossgen, MS flight Sim cant run on last gen, so is next gen too, even tho it launched back in august 2020 on pc ;)

Cp2077 is crossgen, rdr2 is lastgen, but good looking game is still a looker even tho its crossgen/last gen.

Demons souls ran and looked like shit on ps3, yet with competent devteam its a looker on ps5, and has 4k30 and 1440p60 modes too, just no rt, simply no more oomph was left, ofc no open world, and no fast traversal either, gotta make trade offs, same like with starfield- terrible npcs/ loading screens, and long ones(on consoles) basically all the time ;/

Cant have it all here, current gen consoles are simply too weak, its smallest jump ever in terms of gpu, cpu 3x jump isnt bad, but only coz that shitty jaguar tablet gpu in last gen consoles.
I also think its a good step up from there last gen game, but i don't think its the best looking game ever made. The remaster and Miles where both a cross gen upgrade over the orginal and the second one is a small upgrade over them. Its just that there are some things that bothers me like the low quality symbiot suite, low quality Venom, the low res hair rendering and the low res effects. Outside that its a very good looking game and like i said better looking than 90% of the currently released games. That first teaser just raised my expectation too much.
 

Falc67

Member
Sorry guys gotta call bs on downplaying SM2. It is the most next gen looking game we have seen yet and comes very clothes to looking like a movie even during gameplay. It looks very much like the CG trailers we got for 2018 SM.






This screen can pass for being taken from a movie. Inomniac motion blur is amazing

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I did like the footage against lizard, I thought that looked good!
 

ChiefDada

Gold Member
and that doesn't even look better than some black characters from some ps4 games...

(namely death stranding, detroit or tlou2)

Man y'all love to exaggerate in this thread! Show me any black character on PS4 that looks better than Miles does in that picture and I'll gift you Gold.
 

GymWolf

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Man y'all love to exaggerate in this thread! Show me any black character on PS4 that looks better than Miles does in that picture and I'll gift you Gold.
Mask cringe dude in death stranding, chief of the flw in tlou2, the black dude you interrogate in detroit but i think there is another black dude in that game, not sure.

Morales on ps5 only should demolish these models but at best has slightly better hair tech.

Cmon buddy, a throw away character with one line of dialogue in hfw looks as realistic if not better than morales, you don't wanna start a screenshot war, insomniac realistic character rendering is not their strong suit, especially for non-main protagonist characters, they always look a bit off and they are inbetween realistic and slightly cartoony, even more so than ND with uncharted.


(ratchet was good but was full pixar style)

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You can gift my gold to someone who never had it, i can pay for my own gold.
 
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Turk1993

GAFs #1 source for car graphic comparisons

There are the same looking games,if anybody thinks there's a difference between Spiderman 1 vs 2 is a blind troll.😉😉😉
I mean sure if you compare it to the pc version set to low at 720p than yeah it looks much much better lol

This is the video btw, just look at the iq and how the graphics are turned down. He wants to make the difference look bigger than it is.


Just look at the footage quality of Spiderman 1
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