DJ12
Member
Get real.
MS aren't competition for Sony. Sony increased their prices and still comfortably outsold xbox absolutely everywhere.
If anything it's Sony stopping MS charging $800 for a series x
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Xbox plans to exit gaming business if "off-console" Game Pass subscribers don't increase enough by 2027
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MS aren't competition for Sony. Sony increased their prices and still comfortably outsold xbox absolutely everywhere.
If anything it's Sony stopping MS charging $800 for a series x
proandrad
Member
Whenever Microsoft can't completely monopolize an industry they just give up and leave. They did it with phones against android and ios. they did it with MP3 players ,ZUNE against Ipod. They are about to do with with tablets, Surface vs IPad. If microsoft can't completely dominate gaming, they will also do with Xbox. This is what Microsoft does, they can't just make a lot of money, they must make all of the money.
MarkMe2525
Member
Largely agree accept for the last part. While there is a world where MS makes good money eating Sony's tablescraps and sits comfortably in third place cashing checks, shareholders demand growth. Just my opinion, but I believe Xbox had to change the paradigm if they wanted MS to continue to allow them to compete in the gaming hardware space.
Gamepass is all they have left for better or worse. If they even have a shot at making it work, they have to go all in. It could fail for sure, but I'll enjoy the benefits in the meantime. Again, just my take.
Knightime_X
Member
It would be the closest to seeing 120fps on a nintendo game.
GoldenEye98
posts news as their odd job
Wait...he is saying that they need to 100M subscribers in total by 2027?
fallingdove
Member
Yeah - but that was WITH Xbox in the market. MS isn’t doing anything to change the course of the industry. The only thing that influences competition is money — either through expansion opportunities or adjusting for contraction or poor pricing/positioning.
Microsoft isn’t influencing any of those dynamics from the 3rd place position.
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bitbydeath
Gold Member
THE DUCK
voted poster of the decade by bots
None of that really makes any sense, even if they exit the console hardware business they would be a huge software player. So exiting "gaming" wouldn't happen.
Not sure why some of you keep saying gamepass isn't sustainable, it's the hardware side that MS hates losing money on to sell the software........
Not sure why some of you keep saying gamepass isn't sustainable, it's the hardware side that MS hates losing money on to sell the software........
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
Phil Spencer already said they don't think GamePass will ever account for more than 10 - 15% of total revenue. F2P is king.
So no.
Klayzer
Member
True. I was just looking at the pricing angle.
BlackTron
Member
Will they please at least make the controller with gyro, and not wait 5 years, I could use it now, why was it not standard this gen.
64bitmodels
Reverse groomer.
seem to be doing it with that new 2024 controller, at the cost of ergonomics. Now the main reason i love xbox controllers has been sullied to look generic and uncomfortable.
BbMajor7th
Gold Member
Just before they drop the axe, Riky will run in remind them they won an aggregate site Publisher of the Year award in 2021. They suddenly snap to their senses, realise they're actually killing it and stay the execution.
fallingdove
Member
I hear you. Hopefully the market response is enough to keep Sony in check with these recent policies.
EverydayBeast
thinks Halo Infinite is a new graphical benchmark
Game pass numbers has Microsoft sweating
DemonGamerTTT
Member
Fake piled...
This makes no sense whatsoever.
This makes no sense whatsoever.
Klayzer
Member
As always, the market decides what successful or not.
BlackTron
Member
I'll have to hold it in my hands to really judge the ergonomics...just hope I get the chance to lol. It doesn't look necessarily bad though the dual color scheme in the pic isn't doing any favors
GoldenEye98
posts news as their odd job
This was from when he was on the stand at the FTC trial no? I would take his doomer assessments with bit of grain of salt in that case. It was in his favour to make it sound like they were in a weak position market wise.
DeVeAn
Member
Don’t say that in the other thread. Fanboys are ravenous there lol.
semiconscious
Member
this. it's something people as old as me have been witnessing since the company's inception. microsoft simply does not believe in 'competing'. it's just not something that's present in its corporate dna...
DryvBy
Member
How? MS last tow big games this year were at 30 fps.
Gamer_By_Proxy
Member
Dice
Pokémon Parentage Conspiracy Theorist
If you want to do cloud gaming you'll need a cloud service with shorter than 30-120min queues.
I already said nearly 2 months ago that they clearly want to get out of console. If they can't make that big play that they want to make, it's sensible for them to drop out. I mean, I know for certain that I'm going back to PC main with a new build late next year, might pick up a Switch 2 after some years. We're already back on arrogant Sony mode so MS quitting would just send them into overdrive.
I already said nearly 2 months ago that they clearly want to get out of console. If they can't make that big play that they want to make, it's sensible for them to drop out. I mean, I know for certain that I'm going back to PC main with a new build late next year, might pick up a Switch 2 after some years. We're already back on arrogant Sony mode so MS quitting would just send them into overdrive.
Its his views on hypotheticals so not something to treat as gospels yet.
Regardless, Xbox won’t go away if they off ramp I bet / hope. Plenty of money still there to be made from it by someone willing to make smaller profit than MS grand vision for GP. Companies the size of MS aim higher because they can and have countless options for higher return potentials.
Regardless, Xbox won’t go away if they off ramp I bet / hope. Plenty of money still there to be made from it by someone willing to make smaller profit than MS grand vision for GP. Companies the size of MS aim higher because they can and have countless options for higher return potentials.
rickybooby87
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robor
Member
And good fuggin' riddance!
bitbydeath
Gold Member
Hopefully the studios have a chance to move on. I bet a number of them are already looking, between this and the bloodbath thread.
Pelta88
Member
Just 75 million to go.
Swagballs717
Member
What Xbox/Microsoft should do is learn from the success of Hi-Fi RUSH. Fund games that are smaller scale but more creative, and make those Xbox exclusive. Funding a dozen of these would still be less expensive than buying Sega and going "NOW the Xbox brand is saved!"
Knightime_X
Member
4k is extremely demanding. And consoles are still not up to par with 4k demands. ESPECIALLY true when trying to max other aspects out as well.
No need for ultra shadows and textures when in many cases, high and sometimes even medium look almost if not exactly the same for far less cost.
I've played Starfield at native 1440p on my pc with a 3070, runs nicely.
Redfall was rushed.
Noway it looks and runs that bad due to hardware when other games look and run better on the same platform.
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Xbox as a console brand seems to be really dying lately can Scarlett change that or will it be a short lived project?
There was more hype around Xbox Scorpio than there is around Scarlett , Xbox One X started off with a nice push from Microsoft but it seems like they quickly gave up on it you can get a Xbox One X for $402 right now but no one seems to care that it's $97 off . You can get the Xbox One S A.D for...
Crayon
Member
Why why and why. Sony, Nintendo, and Valve all compete by doing their own thing and brining something to the table. Do we really need a trillion dollar company that wants all competition gone?
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
No, he didn't say that.
The 100m goal is for FY29, FY30, which is roughly calendar 2030, 2031.
The thing about 2027 is that he wants the PC/Cloud subs to increase. Hence the "off-console" comment.
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Justin9mm
Member
Do you understand the definition of what consumer competition is and how it works? If you did, you would not be asking why.
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
As a xbox consumer who doesn't buy into the gp ecosystem and them saying the future is on gp back...
I honestly have no idea what he's saying. Doesn't seem to make sense to me. He seems to suggest that console subscribers need to be much more than the graph depicts by 2027 otherwise they exit the business then goes on to say that PC and Cloud actually need to be larger. Seems like he's just bullshiting his way out of answering a question.
bitbydeath
Gold Member
Yeah the graph shows around 80M by 2027…No, he didn't say that.
The 100m goal is for FY29, FY30, which is roughly calendar 2030, 2031.
The thing about 2027 is that he wants the PC/Cloud subs to increase. Hence the "off-console" comment.
arkhamguy123
Member
Oh yay so they’re gonna exit gaming
Good news
Good news
bender
What time is it?
Yeah the graph shows around 80M by 2027…
Rebranding Xbox Live Gold to Xbox Game Pass Core is starting to make more sense.
Crayon
Member
I could ask you the same. When a competitor bleeds money and can't make shit people want to buy, they go away. Do YOU know how competititon works?
What is it about ms specifically that makes them so crucial? Nin, SIE, and Valve are all rocking 100 million users and stacking cash. What is it about this one company floundering with their primary strategy being to eliminate competition?
Angling to buy nin or valve is competitive? Do you know how anti-competititon works?
Why do we need that when you already have 3 huge brands that compete by actually selling good product and staying out of the red? What is so important about that 4th hanger on?
Crayon
Member
What 3 only 2 including Microsoft makes a home console. Mobile and PC are zero interest to me. If Sony raises prices you think people are downgrading to moble gaming?
Bernardougf
Gold Member
Well.. now we know what will happen if the CMA definitely terminates the ABK deal
Crayon
Member
Valve's platform is much like a console without the hardware. And now they offer dedicated hardware to complete the illusion. If sony raises prices, people spend their money on something else. Whether it's nintendo or valve or books. It creates and opening for nintendo to court 3rd parties again. The three adapt and find new ways to steal each other's lunch and make money through thick and thin. That's REAL competition.