Sanepar
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It is doable. Depends how gamers will respond to subscribing services and the quality and quantity of MS games next 5 years.
Netflix exploded in less than 5 years after a slow start.
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Xbox plans to exit gaming business if "off-console" Game Pass subscribers don't increase enough by 2027
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Netflix exploded in less than 5 years after a slow start.
To be honest we are fucked no matter what, I wish Sega were interested in playing ball, they got the IP, if they could get the talent I really think they could have a shot.
graywolf323
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it was Sega of Japan that was Sega’s worst enemy so I don’t see how losing Steve Race to Sony had anything to do with Sega’s eventual failure
of course you didn’t include the full paragraph or even the full sentence (you ended where there’s a comma)
”That was only the beginning of the schism between Kalinske and his superiors at Sega of Japan. Sony poached Sega senior executives, including Kalinske's second-in-command Steve Race, to develop the Sony PlayStation. Sega moved forward on its own with the Saturn and Kalinske didn't believe the system would succeed, but Sega of Japan was looking to spoiler Sony's efforts with the console's launch. Unfortunately, the Sega Saturn launched at $399, $100 higher than the price point Sony announced for the PlayStation at E3. Kalinske left Sega of America and the industry in 1996, and was replaced by ex-Sony executive Bernie Stolar, who had a hand in Sega's Dreamcast.”
basically Sony recognized that the Sega of America guys were the reasons they were successful and picked up someone who wanted off the sinking ship
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64bitmodels
Reverse groomer.
Maybe if Apple is serious about the mobile phone thing, yes. Because even THEY'VE gotten competitive on that front too.
If Apple starts getting serious about their gaming initiative and more AAA games come to Iphone, Ipad, Apple TV and Mac, well golly gee that's another sector they'll have to worry about. so 2 competitors on Sony's back, and a potential 3rd smartphones. Ah yes, Arrogant Sony domination is inevitable and we'll all be paying 100 a month for PS plus while paying 800 dollars for the PS6 pro.
Get real.
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violence
Member
Regardless Sega could not compete with Sony. I don't think anything Microsoft did was notable in comparison.
graywolf323
Member
oh I don’t disagree, I think Sega themselves are by far the biggest reason Sega exited the hardware business
largely because of absolutely boneheaded decisions made by Sega of Japan
64bitmodels
Reverse groomer.
Like anyone who would've seen the documents and performance back then.
And wouldn't you know it, there are quite a few parallels between mid 90s Sega and current day Microsoft..... doesn't look good
Lucie Goosey
Member
Fortunately there's lots of great cheap off the shelf PC options these days.
I wouldn't argue against it setting the industry back possibly an entire generation over the course of our lifetimes, but things would stabilize.
It's beyond proven that gaming is a profitable market to do business, and I'm about to buy Baldur's Gate 3 demonstrates that.
tryDEATH
Member
When was this stated?
All these headlines are trying to force a narrative that this is their current plan and not a bunch of documents and emails that are primarily from 2020 before the release of the Xbox Series and attempts to acquire ActiBlizz. Investing a insane 65Bil into a gaming company clear speaks of their intent to stay and go all out for it and that couldn't be clearer. Plugging in ActiBlizz into their strategy will have significant effects on their whole gaming division and outlook. This has become clickbait at this point.
All these headlines are trying to force a narrative that this is their current plan and not a bunch of documents and emails that are primarily from 2020 before the release of the Xbox Series and attempts to acquire ActiBlizz. Investing a insane 65Bil into a gaming company clear speaks of their intent to stay and go all out for it and that couldn't be clearer. Plugging in ActiBlizz into their strategy will have significant effects on their whole gaming division and outlook. This has become clickbait at this point.
reinking
Gold Member
I am not sure what Apple would do that could be any worse than what MS has been attempting to do. MS has been exposed. They are not the good guys in the industry.
bitbydeath
Gold Member
FTC hearing a few months ago.
Hardware with a 40% margin for starters. Don't feel like paying the apple tax on console gaming. Spending 1000 dollars to get a 600 dollar machine doesn't sound appealing to me. Or some apple arcade console no thanks.
Killjoy-NL
Member
Since they plan on releasing next-gen in 2028, this means that Series S/X is their last console.
GamePass stagnated. Spencer already threw in the towel.
It's just a matter of time.
GamePass stagnated. Spencer already threw in the towel.
It's just a matter of time.
reinking
Gold Member
You think? Their current consumer Apple TV is priced similar to the Nvidia Shield, the other major premium streaming device on the market. Apple TV hardware has also been updated more recently compared to the Sheild. When it comes to consumer products, they are usually priced competitively compared to other products with similar specs and features.
*Just avoid their stupid stuff. Sometimes I think they do it based on a bet if someone will buy it.
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The wild part about smartphones is MS were one of the top dogs.
Forget Ballmer outright laughing at the iPhone....whew....they should have never let Android come in and gain market share. If you look at the HTC HD2 you would mistake it for Android.
How MS let Android come in and push them out is mind boggling. A swear MS is handling Xbox based on how the smartphone wars played out. That could be why they seem to fear Google and Amazon more than Sony and Nintendo. They dont want a new player pushing them out again.
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DeaDPo0L84
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Gamepass is a cancer to the gaming industry. I'm glad Sony and Nintendo are sticking to what has worked in the past and continue to do so. They will be what keeps gaming moving forward while Microsoft continues to shoot its shot wherever it can for some myopic victory cause not a single person there has any long term plan beyond "let's just keep buying the whole videogame industry until people think we're cool again".
64bitmodels
Reverse groomer.
no shit. when you're IN the gaming industry, you naturally keep things moving forward.
Meanwhile MS is getting ready to take their leave and pack up their bags for a new competitor.
Justin9mm
Member
Why do you think PS Plus subscription tiers exist? Because of GP. Why do you think exclusivity rights exist? Because of Xbox. Why do you think the PS5 console was released at a competitive price at an initial cost loss? Because of Xbox. You see where I'm going with this? As far as current gen console, there is only Xbox and Sony. Nintendo are a different market not even in the same league.
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64bitmodels
Reverse groomer.
And Valve/PC who have the benefit of even more powerful hardware and freedom.
Justin9mm
Member
I'm talking in the console space only. Xbox exiting the console space is bad for competition. Sony can then do whatever they want with no direct competition for another current gen console.
Killjoy-NL
Member
Competition will be there without Xbox, just differently.
PC, Nintendo, Playstation.
Each their own strengths and weaknesses and their own demographic with some overlap between all.
All three push tech and spark innovation and will continue to do so.
People have been so used to Playstation vs Xbox, that they completelt overlook the fact that these three make for a far more healthier competitive scene than with Xbox around fucking up the industry.
There isn't much difference between Xbox and PC anyway, since MS decided to release games on PC day 1.
They're just like a tumor that's going to drag down everyone.
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YuLY
Member
Maybe but lets be real, if by 2027 they arent at least at 50 it will be clear they wont reach the goal and might just give up.
Wild stuff, I think people underestimate the impact this would have on gaming. All those studios, Bethesda, Obsidian, Id, Arkane, InXile etc etc, what will happen to them and their games. Unchecked arrogant Sony? Gaming landscape will be so different
James Sawyer Ford
Gold Member
Hard for me to imagine them acquiring Activision and giving up a few years later
Crayon
Member
Yes they are all going to respond to the circumstances. I'm trying to tell you there is nothing special about xbox that makes them the only ones who can keep sony in check. If xbox left, both valve and nintendo are going to be courting those 40 million freed up users along with sony. I understand that a lot of enthusiasts have been conditioned to think that only sony and ms matter and them locking horns for eternity is a given, but that is an almost mythological understanding of everything. XBox leaving would make valve, sony, and nintendo have to react somehow. They aren't just going to sit around and get fat. You are talking like ms alone keeps sony from ruining everything.
With no xbox, can sony put out an underpowered, overpriced console? Sure. At their peril. What makes ms different is not that they want to make their own playstation too and be playstation, it that they have no real pressure themselves. They can bleed money wherever they want. Imagine if they all could do that. Competition is not all created equal. The ideal is companies competing on the merits of their products for profit. The worst competition is a company trying to eliminate competitors, money no object.
MatrixReloaded101
Member
They don't want to put resources into making quality games, they just want to make a quick buck with low effort and that's been there problem for a decade now.
The passion that went into their first party games during the original Xbox and Xbox 360 gen, innovation like xbox live is what built their fan base but for some reason they forgot about that.
Series S, game pass, buying publishers, etc ... these are all low effort tactics to make quick money.
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akaFullmetal
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Well let's hope not. That isn't a lot of time to build those numbers.
three_muffins
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MAtgS
Member
Boy, some people really won't let it go. Like a high end Nintendo console wouldn't get completely crushed by Playstation. They'll sooner go handheld only than another console.
FeralEcho
Member
They made Playstation Studios into what they are today.The bulk of SCEA,SCEE and to a lesser degree SCEJ were turned into powerhouses because Microsoft took a lead in the begining of the 7th gen and Sony understood that games were what sold these systems so while MS was focusing on garbage like kinect around 2010,Sony was busy building great new IP after great new IP so no a future without Microsoft in the industry won't be for the better,It would make Sony complacent.They already show signs of it with fuck all new anouncements and a gaas commitment for the future(courtesy of the future Phil Spencer Jim Ryan).This all happens cuz Microsoft is doing so poorly.There's little pressure.Imagine no pressure on them....
Justin9mm
Member
Well we are yet to see it then if Xbox did exit the console market. I personally believe Nintendo will continue with what they are doing and Valve has no experience in the home console market, no track record there. The majority of home console gamers would most likely go to Sony. And how is that working out for MS, eliminating competitors with money no object? Not very well and why we are discussing this very topic. I hear you but I still think MS keeps Sony remaining more competitive. They may not be competing as far as games and services but as far as a current gen high end home console they are 100% the only two competing in that space. Imo Valve and Nintendo are not going to do anything or compete with Sony.
Crayon
Member
That is a possibility. Nintendo is an aggressive company and they would not let 40 million exbox users go to sony without trying something.
Hip Hop
Member
It's not insane, it's literally the future as you can see how much Microsoft is willing to risk it all on the line.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
The same thing was said that Xbox One would be their last console. Fast forward 10 years and MS is still around. This time with Bethesda under their wing and Activision soon to be, and Game pass everywhere. MS isn't quitting gaming if they bought Bethesda a few years ago and Activision is a month away from acquisition.
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Nothing will happen to them. MS will just become a third party publisher.
Crayon
Member
It's the future because ms thinks so? I was bullish on streaming myself but a few years later it seems that the hurdles are not just technical.
mrmustard
Banned
Pc (+ Switch) is already is the best option. But Microsoft leaving would be funny, would love to see the consequences.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
MS is a high profit company. They have no problem axing stuff that drags down their financial metrics.... Zune, Windows phone etc... There is no way in the 20 years of Xbox it comes close to Windows, servers, cloud, MS Office etc... in terms of profits. Whether Xbox has made them money in two decades or lost, it doesn't matter. Because there's still no way it is as good as their other product lines.
But MS some reason has a giant commitment to gaming. And even goes more and more into it with Bethesda and Activision.
GetInTheRobot
Banned
Over 80 billion invested in gaming, they not going anywhere...thoes are 20 year investments not 7.
nightmare-slain
Member
So many people desperate for this to happen but if you really care about gaming you’d not want them to leave. Sony having no competition would suck for everyone…except for those who would be happy to keep paying stupid money for PS+ and want to pay more for their consoles and games.
And there is no way that they would spend all those billions on Activision/Blizzard if they plan on quitting in the next few years for fuck sake lol.
And there is no way that they would spend all those billions on Activision/Blizzard if they plan on quitting in the next few years for fuck sake lol.
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more is not needed MS.It was a response to the FTC attorney.... Clearly P. Spencer is creating a narrative that the acquisition of ABK is essential for MS to achieve business objectives or else they could consider exiting the market.
Clearly a strategy and I don't know how people take it literally. In 2027 the Studios acquired and created would not even have released their first game under the command of MS....
Seeing what was leaked and how MS is betting on the gaming business, I don't know how people can believe that the spending of billions of $ a little over a year ago has a limit of 3 years
Killjoy-NL
Member
I don't think spending that money will hurt them all too much, with MS revenue and all.It was a response to the FTC attorney.... Clearly P. Spencer is creating a narrative that the acquisition of ABK is essential for MS to achieve business objectives or else they could consider exiting the market.
Clearly a strategy and I don't know how people take it literally. In 2027 the Studios acquired and created would not even have released their first game under the command of MS....
Seeing what was leaked and how MS is betting on the gaming business, I don't know how people can believe that the spending of billions of $ a little over a year ago has a limit of 3 years
mrmustard
Banned
I didn't mean consequences for Microsoft. I mean green and blue fanboy warriors needing to get a life or turn on Nintendo, also i expect a this is for the players my ass behaviour from Sony.