Sanepar
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Nintendo and another great company can compete. MS leaving opens the opportunity for a better company to come in.
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Xbox plans to exit gaming business if "off-console" Game Pass subscribers don't increase enough by 2027
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Sanepar
Member
We have no idea about that, they already have 25 mi and we don't know their output in software for the next 60 months, so anything can happen.
Bernardougf
Gold Member
Well when your plan is to buy Nintendo, Valve, Bethesda , ABK and force Sony out of the industry ... 100 million subs seems like low balling
Such healthy competition.... we really need MS
Such healthy competition.... we really need MS
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Stafford
Member
At the end of the day it's all business, that means all of them. Nobody is a good guy here, nobody is a saint. They all did anti competitive things, and anti consumer things. None of them give a shit about you, that's why I will never understand why shills do what they do, they don't even get a goddamn thing in return.
I have no doubts that if Sony had been able to, they would have acquired Zenimax, same goes for ABK. I don't believe at all Sony wants MS around, and vice versa. Let's not act that it's only MS doing this. Hell, when Xbox wasn't even a thing yet plenty games only came to PS1 and not to Dreamcast, I wonder why.
I don't see how anyone here is destroying our hobby, let alone corrupting it. Just get both systems, enjoy the best of both worlds. If I want to play Spidey, I need a PS, if I want to play Starfield, TES VI etc, I get an Xbox, or I use a PC, or I go the streaming route. They actually offer a lot of options.
64bitmodels
Reverse groomer.
*160 mil Playstation Users. PS5 doesn't have that many sales yet and PS4 + PS5 is quite a bit higher than that.
Stafford
Member
Yeah it's not like Sony hasn't been doing some pretty shitty things right, with FF7R for example? Please. Forcing Sony out? You mean that one comment by Matt Booty? I doubt all of MS/Xbox has that mindset, or maybe they do, it's business. Don't doubt Jim Ryan would rather see Xbox gone.
The only difference I see here is that one company CAN afford it all, the other can't, had Sony been able to, they would have. Zenimax and ABK could have been acquired by Google or Amazon too, good luck seeing those games on Xbox or PS then. I would say Xbox buying them can be considered the "lesser evil".
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nosoynadie22
Member
Doesn't Xbox's departure from the high-end console market give Nintendo the opportunity to take its place by launching another high-end console?
64bitmodels
Reverse groomer.
Sony isn't trying to buy Nintendo. Please stop with the false equivalences
Bernardougf
Gold Member
#sonytoo low effort with false equivalence isnt going to cut it budy.. try reee there you will get the support
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Bernardougf
Gold Member
Nintendo is swimming in easy low effort money ... they struck the low-end high cost market gold and they will never jump out of this pool of petroleum unless they really need to
64bitmodels
Reverse groomer.
Seems like they're trying to do it anyways with the Switch 2 rumors being true.
yamaci17
Member
and if they do that, I won't be, once again, a customer of them
as I'm completely soured from netflix / disney plus experience. I liked yearly big MCU movies. I hate these shows that goes on and on with no coherent story telling. just content spam from my perspective..
either way it is a lose lose for me (aside from the current wins I get, which I'm not that proud of. because I can see where all of this leads to)
Yeah, its purely theoretical im just saying they are the first one who come to mind that under the right circumstances could do it if they wanted.
Stafford
Member
Nothing false here at all. Phil is well aware he won't be buying Nintendo. A acquaintance of mine worked for a big company and had a planning role. And that's to write down any and all possibilities. But it's more like a pipe dream, it's spitballing.
And i would not be shocked at all if Sony docs were ever to leak like this that you'd see something similar. Speculation or plans, ideas to buy this and that company.
Killjoy-NL
Member
Bernardougf
Gold Member
People that really think that nintendo is going (or need) to sell high "endish" hardware at a lost or to at best break even are putting thenselfs for major disappointment ...
High end hardware is equal to lower (or none) hardware sale profits, higher cost for development and again lower profits ...
No fucking way Nint is doing this...
But its offtopic
. So.. moving on
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
Hypothetically Microsoft exiting would be a disaster for gamers who have built a large collection of digital games.
He doesn't say he wants 100M subs from consoles though. He says
"I can fairly safely say that if we do not make more progress than this off of console, we would exit the gaming business. If this were the outcome, we would -- I don't believe we'd still be in the business."
A majority of our customers are found off of our own hardware, I would hope by earlier than 2030..."
OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
They actively tried to acquire them when they got in the console business.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
It is literally just Microsoft doing this.
Or do you know of another company that just bought massive independent multiplatform publishers to make their games exclusive? Or perhaps another company that has planted proxies to buy shares of another console manufacturer?
If you have evidence of that, please share. Until then, yes, it is just Microsoft doing this shit.
No offense, mate, but this is a ridiculous argument, i.e., just bend over, take it in, and enjoy it. If they limit your options, you just give them more money and play how they want you to play and where they want you to play.
That's not "offering a lot of options." They are literally canceling other versions and limiting your options. It is the OPPOSITE of offering more options.
Mr Reasonable
Completely Unreasonable
To be fair that was almost 25 years ago.
Stafford
Member
Initially I thought this was just Phil trying to be overly dramatic in the courtroom to get ABK, basically a victim role so to speak. But apparently these were internal emails too? That sure is concerning yeah.
2027, so games like TES VI should be well on its way to completion, as are many other games and they'd just pull the plug? I just don't see that happening. It IS insane how they are banking it all on a service. When it comes to studios it's a world of difference with the past, why don't they see how well games sell alongside GP, even if GP doesn't grow in huge numbers? Maybe they would do fine without Game Pass? But if they don't believe in that.....fuck.
What would happen to all these projects and studios? I can't imagine the studios being too happy now.
2027, so games like TES VI should be well on its way to completion, as are many other games and they'd just pull the plug? I just don't see that happening. It IS insane how they are banking it all on a service. When it comes to studios it's a world of difference with the past, why don't they see how well games sell alongside GP, even if GP doesn't grow in huge numbers? Maybe they would do fine without Game Pass? But if they don't believe in that.....fuck.
What would happen to all these projects and studios? I can't imagine the studios being too happy now.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
He uses off-console multiple times, but this is the quote where he's specifically talking about the 'light green and blue' lines and them being higher by FY27.
Killjoy-NL
Member
That's slightly better and makes more sense.
they don’t need to completely turn off the lights
all those games are pc releases foremost
Sure. But if their metric of success is to crash the gaming industry into a subscription services, they can leave now.
DJ12
Member
'We have another 'console' for that, it's called Windows'
Eimran
Member
So basically it's a lose-lose scenario
Stafford
Member
OK, but if the scenario would come true that Xbox the console is done for, I would hope they become basically like SEGA and release on Sony and Nintendo platforms. I can't see myself going back to PC gaming. It's consoles for me, has been for many years.
I'd still really dislike it, because I absolutely prefer the Xbox console, but yeah. And there is no way they wouldn't release for the two biggest boys in the industry.
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Shifty1897
Member
It is hard, just not 80 billion dollars hard.
Xenon
Member
The overwhelming majority of gamers don't really fantasize about other video game companies leaving the industry.
YeulEmeralda
Member
Actually episodic games were already tried. And guess what? It didn't work.
Huge fall off (each episode gets less sales not everyone stuck around for 4 years) and gamers waiting for the complete bundle.
I myself just a month ago finally played through Telltale walking dead.
Killjoy-NL
Member
The overwhelming majority of gamers also wouldn't care if Xbox left.
Gamer_By_Proxy
Member
There seems to only be room for 3 main platform holders. I want MS gone for another to take it's place.
Hopefully one that won't push things like paying to play online, paying more for real release dates, streaming, subscriptions, changing franchises into GaaS, etc.
Xbox has pushed the worst aspects of gaming imo and the whole industry is worse for us because of it.
Hopefully one that won't push things like paying to play online, paying more for real release dates, streaming, subscriptions, changing franchises into GaaS, etc.
Xbox has pushed the worst aspects of gaming imo and the whole industry is worse for us because of it.
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SimTourist
Member
I doubt they will reach those numbers, cloud is pretty much dead and PC gamers don't care either.
Ummm… You do know ATT bought Time Warner entertainment and sold it 3 years later.
Nostalgic Nightmare
Member
They need to exit now. Their main objective will be to buy up any studio who can give them an edge and eventually have ALL gaming streaming behind a paywall - where every single iota of option and operation is at tiered pricing.
Better "experience" of your streaming rigs "performance" in the cloud , early access, etc - any way they can charge on TOP of the monthly fee you will need to pay already to access games you purchased.
They have become a parasite on the industry, unable to become dominant by traditional methods (such as delivering decent games) , so they will instead look to lead by churning and burning up dev houses/studios and their dystopian service models.
Better "experience" of your streaming rigs "performance" in the cloud , early access, etc - any way they can charge on TOP of the monthly fee you will need to pay already to access games you purchased.
They have become a parasite on the industry, unable to become dominant by traditional methods (such as delivering decent games) , so they will instead look to lead by churning and burning up dev houses/studios and their dystopian service models.
DryvBy
Member
Before you look at the splinter in the eye of another brand, take the plank out of the brand you support. You can't complain about Sony and FF7R while supporting MS. They current money hat tons of indies, they buy up brands to keep off of other companies permanently (not just a few months), and guess what? They have a long history of money hating AAA games off of other platforms for a few months.
So why even bring up money hating while you actively support it when some moron like Phil Spencer supports it? Maybe Square just didn't want to work with Xbox. There's seems to be a partnership with Sony and Square, not every company out there. Imagine trying to get the newest FF to run with parity on that pos Series S? Xbox brand is a joke because of their leadership.
The Xbox plan of renting forever and services from Xbox One where Don was to blame is now back with Phil. But Phil was the good guy? I called this then. Don was a scapegoat. Phil was involved then too.
SF Kosmo
Al Jazeera Special Reporter
If Microsoft manages to completely eclipse it's hardware with cloud services, you better believe they won't be the only ones heading that way.
HeWhoWalks
Gold Member
No, they don't.
jm89
Member
Folks thought some of us were trolling with MS leaving gaming if abk didn't go through.
Now it makes sense why they fought like their life depended on it.
The writing was on the wall really,
Strike 1: phil proposed gamepass to satya to save xbox. Wasn't enough on it's own
Strike 2: In the FTC court case we found out phil was considering moving wholly to mobile at some point in the past.
Strike 3: It's joever
But of course this could all could be the weak guy act for the regulators.
Now it makes sense why they fought like their life depended on it.
The writing was on the wall really,
Strike 1: phil proposed gamepass to satya to save xbox. Wasn't enough on it's own
Strike 2: In the FTC court case we found out phil was considering moving wholly to mobile at some point in the past.
Strike 3: It's joever
But of course this could all could be the weak guy act for the regulators.
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kvltus lvlzvs
Banned
Sony, Nintendo, Valve would be a fantastic new trio.