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[Durante]

Buying a 399$ console does not mean I'll get 399$ of electronic components, I think we all know that. Is half the price a good estimation of what's the hardware contribution in a end user price?

Traditionally, with MS and Sony, you actually get components worth more than $399 around launch. That was one of the nice things about consoles.

 

[devilhunterx]

will 8GB ram help in fixing the dumb AI?

 

[Morokh]

Know what Mr Crytek, here is a lesson you usually learn as a kid :

"You can't always have what you want"

would be nice, but ....

 

[ThoseDeafMutes]

will 8GB ram help in fixing the dumb AI?

No. Garbage in, garbage out.

 

[Ark]

will 8GB ram help in fixing the dumb AI?

Probably not

 

[DieH@rd]

20GB drives didn't cost $50 in 2005, come on

No it costed around 40-45$. Its a laptop drive single platter drive, with very small price difference between various single platter capacities.

 

[szaromir]

No it costed around 40-45$. Its a laptop drive single platter drive, with very small price difference between various single platter capacities.

You're forgetting about retail margins.

 

[DieH@rd]

You're forgetting about retail margins.

40-50 was the bulk price, retail HDDs that year were higher. My friend wanted to replace his laptop disk around that time.

 

[jax (old)]

I think 4gb is plenty but hey, if someone wants to see me a console with 8gb of ram, why not.

I think it'll be 2gb. 4gb if we're lucky.

 

[xemumanic]

I'm hoping we see at least 4GB of RAM. More would be welcome, and less would be a shame. Also, its gotta be unified, not a split design like on the PS3.

 

[Vicetrailia]

Obviously he's exaggerating with a purpose. Like everyone is saying 2-4 would be nice.

 

[HowardRoark]

I like the 8GB idea. We're talking probably 2 years down the line. So that would be a lifespan of 2013 -2023. By 2023, 8 GB will be paltry, much like 256/512 MB are today.

 

[RaijinFY]

How many memory chip today would be required to get 4GB?

 

[Mr_Brit]

How many memory chip today would be required to get 4GB?

Today, you would need 16 chips but by 2013 you'd only need 8.

 

[Dennis]

I like the 8GB idea. We're talking probably 2 years down the line. So that would be a lifespan of 2013 -2023. By 2023, 8 GB will be paltry, much like 256/512 MB are today.

I gotta laugh at the idea that consoles today are being designed with the optimal RAM for 2023 in mind...

 

[zoukka]

I gotta laugh at the idea that consoles today are being designed with the optimal RAM for 2023 in mind...

PS2 32MB RAM seems to work in 2011.

 

[navanman]

The amount of RAM in next gen consoles will depend on the maximum size RAM chip you can get at the time development, prototyping.

Sony & MS will only want to go with 2 chips soldered onto the board as it reduces costs massively. PCB complexity & design will be much cheaper due to this.

Sony is stuck with 4 RAM chips this gen due to their split memory pools and its costing them dearly in PCB and component costs. The 360 with a unified RAM pool has 2 RAM chips on the PCB.
The design decisions taken this time around for Sony couldn't be any different so design simplicity and efficiency will be top of the agenda.

 

[RaijinFY]

Today, you would need 16 chips but by 2013 you'd only need 8.

Well in that case i think 4GB should be possible by then.

 

[Mr_Brit]

The amount of RAM in next gen consoles will depend on the maximum size RAM chip you can get at the time development, prototyping.

Sony & MS will only want to go with 2 chips soldered onto the board as it reduces costs massively. PCB complexity & design will be much cheaper due to this.

Sony is stuck with 4 RAM chips this gen due to their split memory pools and its costing them dearly in PCB and component costs. The 360 with a unified RAM pool of 2 RAM chips on the PCB.
The design decisions taken this time around for Sony couldn't be any different so design simplicity and efficiency will be top of the agenda.

Does the 360 really only have 2 RAM chips? Wouldn't that mean it uses two 2Gbit chips, I didn't know 2Gbit chips were available in 2005.

 

[navanman]

Does the 360 really only have 2 RAM chips? Wouldn't that mean it uses two 2Gbit chips, I didn't know 2Gbit chips were available in 2005.

With the re-design last fall, they did the reduction to 2 RAM chips. Sony will be stuck with 4 for PS3.

 

[Mr_Brit]

With the re-design last fall, they did the reduction to 2 RAM chips. Sony will be stuck with 4 for PS3.

I thought you were talking about launch, if the number of chips falls with time, I doubt that using 8 chips at launch would phase Sony or MS as they know that the amount of chips will fall quite significantly. You can probably halve the number of chips used every two years.

 

[scitek]

"It's way too low, and the biggest crippling factor from a visual perspective. I would really like to see next-gen console platforms with a minimum of 8GB."

console platforms with a minimum of 8GB

minimum of 8GB

 

[sleepykyo]

20GB drives didn't cost $50 in 2005, come on

The 360 hard drive was a custom model .

 

[abracadaver]

wouldnt be surprised if they only have 1GB

 

[The Bookerman]

Crytek, call me when you make less buggy, more interesting games. In the meantime, I'll be selling that pos Crysis 2 for mortal kombat on tuesday. Good day.

 

[Yoboman]

Why is everyone mocking this suggestion? (Only read the first two pages) I built a mid-high range PC in late 2009/early 2010 with 6GB of RAM and a GPU with 1 GB of RAM. This year specs are even higher, GPUs with 2 GB of RAM aren't uncommon

So why is Crytek expecting consoles designed for 2013+ to have 8GB of ram considered unrealistic?

 

[abracadaver]

So why is Crytek expecting consoles designed for 2013+ to have 8GB of ram considered unrealistic?

because the consoles we have now released with 256MB ram while PC's at the time already had 2GB and more

 

[Mr. Pointy]

Why is everyone mocking this suggestion? (Only read the first two pages) I built a mid-high range PC in late 2009/early 2010 with 6GB of RAM and a GPU with 1 GB of RAM. This year specs are even higher, GPUs with 2 GB of RAM aren't uncommon

So why is Crytek expecting consoles designed for 2013+ to have 8GB of ram considered unrealistic?

Because they're talking about really fast, expensive RAM like that 1GB of GDDR5 your graphics card has. DDR3 is cheap but slooooooooooooooooow.

 

[Insane Metal]

I really hope we get AT LEAST 8GB of RAM. Less than that will be lame.

 

[Yoboman]

because the consoles we have now released with 256MB ram while PC's at the time already had 2GB and more

Of course, and if PC's were progressing at the rate they were then we'd probably be at 12 on PCs by the time PS4 comes out.

I wouldn't be surprised if mobile phones/tablets were cranking 4 gigs by 2013 the way they are moving, so I don't expect PS4+X3 to be less like some are predicting.

Because they're talking about really fast, expensive RAM like that 1GB of GDDR5 your graphics card has. DDR3 is cheap but slooooooooooooooooow.

Are we? Not entirely surely, Crytek's issue seems more directed at the quantity of RAM not the speed

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

Because they're talking about really fast, expensive RAM like that 1GB of GDDR5 your graphics card has. DDR3 is cheap but slooooooooooooooooow.

There are cards out right now that have 4GB of GDDR5.

 

[Wildstar75]

IMO nothing will enable next gen experiences more than adding RAM. If I was designing a system, thats where I would try to invest.

 

[RaijinFY]

There are cards out right now that have 4GB of GDDR5.

Indeed... do you have a link to them?

 

[Cuth]

The amount of RAM in next gen consoles will depend on the maximum size RAM chip you can get at the time development, prototyping.

Sony & MS will only want to go with 2 chips soldered onto the board as it reduces costs massively. PCB complexity & design will be much cheaper due to this.

Sony is stuck with 4 RAM chips this gen due to their split memory pools and its costing them dearly in PCB and component costs. The 360 with a unified RAM pool has 2 RAM chips on the PCB.
The design decisions taken this time around for Sony couldn't be any different so design simplicity and efficiency will be top of the agenda.

Xbox 360 had 8 GDDR3 chips at launch (4 on each side of the main board).
Sony and MS won't go with just 2 chips at launch, unless they plan to price their next gen consoles at 100$.

 

[Relaxed Muscle]

So Crytek wants consoles to cost 800$ or something, so console market dies and PC conquers the gaming world without resistance....no more peasant gamers!!

And PC fans felt betrayed by Crytek, they're working from inside to destroy the consoles!!

 

[Clott]

IMO nothing will enable next gen experiences more than adding RAM. If I was designing a system, thats where I would try to invest.

The way I feel is that as long as Sony and Microsoft aren't prepared to have 2 gigs of ram, they should hold back on releasing a new console.

 

[Yoboman]

If they are planning to have hardware even on the level of today's PCs anything below 4 - 6 gigs would be a massive bottleneck

I think Crytek are assuming MS/Sony are aiming for high tech again though. I think Sony might, MS probably go the other direction. And Sony's RAM decision have never been crash hot.

 

[iNvid02]

i think 4GB would be perfect, but they'll probably settle for 2GB.
or make it upgradeable somehow like the hdd

 

[alejob]

4GB would be the sweet spot I think. Considering the consoles(XBox3 and PS4) won't be out for at least 2 years.

I can see Wii 2 with 2GB.

 

[Mr. Pointy]

There are cards out right now that have 4GB of GDDR5.

And they cost $700. And one of them catches fire.

By the time 4GB of GDDR5 gets cheap enough to be put in a console, it will have been replaced by GDDR6 or 7.

 

[A.KU.MU]

8GB.

 

[Dennis]

There are cards out right now that have 4GB of GDDR5.

Those are dual-GPU cards with 2GB per GPU.

But sure lets spend $400 on the GPU part of the console alone.

 

[WrikaWrek]

Fully expect next gen consoles to have 4GB of Ram.

Would make little sense to make it 2GB considering history.

 

[Yoboman]

And they cost $700.

Moore's law, the price will be half of that in two years

 

[crazy monkey]

 

[teh_pwn]

Fully expect next gen consoles to have 4GB of Ram.

Would make little sense to make it 2GB considering history.

2 GB video RAM, 2-4 GB of system RAM.

My PC already has more.

I don't see what the fuss is over lots of system RAM. Email checker PCs for $400 come with 6-8 GB. Consoles don't use the same RAM and it's uber expensive? Fire your supplier and engineer a damn solution. Not sure why $100 in COGs is suddenly not worth designing around when you're planning on making 50 million units, lol.

 

[Kyaw]

Those are dual-GPU cards with 2GB per GPU.

But sure lets spend $400 on the GPU part of the console alone.

FIVE HUNDRED AND NINETY NINE DOLLARS!

Get a second job guys!

 

[Warm Machine]

I think Crytek are assuming MS/Sony are aiming for high tech again though. I think Sony might, MS probably go the other direction. And Sony's RAM decision have never been crash hot.

If any console deviates from the flight plan next gen it is going to cause industry wide panic. The next Sony and MS consoles need to be on par with one another otherwise support is going to get split very uncomfortably one way or the other.

 

[Magni]

I was imagining 8GB as well. You'll still be playing on these in 2020, you guys are fine with 2GB, what? 4GB is a minimum for me.

 

[Future PhaZe]

I think 4gb is plenty but hey, if someone wants to see me a console with 8gb of ram, why not.

I think it'll be 2gb. 4gb if we're lucky.

I doubt they can justify 2gb...thats just complete trash when we're discussing another 10 years.

4gb minimum...probably likely.