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[kuroshiki]

Hmmm... looking at my own threads history, there are several threads that don't show up there:

a) I made a thread asking which Elder Scrolls game was the best. It's not in my posting history
b) I made a thread asking which Zelda game is the best. It is not in my posting history
c) I made a thread about Bioware. It is also not in my posting history.
d) This thread is not in my posting history

This is just the off the top of my head.
Do those threads show up for you in my posting history? Or is this a bug that I have to contact site technical support about?

You don't get it, or are you pretending that you have no idea what other people are talking about? because it is not working.

Read Thunderbear's post.

These are the threads you've been making.

- The 3DS Lineup For 2012 is HUGE... Best Lineup for any system next year
- PS Vita Memory Cards and Accessories Priced By Gamestop
- Mario Kart 7 Review Thread: First Reviews In
- Some PS Vita retail games will require memory cards to start
- GAF, do you prefer Nintendo as a hardware maker or a software maker?
- What is the best Nintendo console of all time?
- What do you think will become the 3DS's defining game?

 

[patsu]

That's kinda the point people are making. Your post history shows a pattern of making threads trying to drum up enthusiasm for 3DS and being a Debbie Downer at every turn towards the Vita. I make no qualms about not liking the current 3DS lineup for the immediate future (I'll get one before Kingdom Hearts hits most likely) but I don't go out of my way making FUD threads either.

The fundamental flaw in this type of thread is it only considers all the negatives. But in the light of Vita's positive features, the unit is actually pretty attractive. I tried it 2 days ago in SF.

The Vita UI is faster and smoother than Android phones and tablets out there. The screen is BIG and sharp. Very close to iPhone 4S in both regard.

The dual sticks are smaller than DS3's but equally responsive. They felt right !

The launch games feel high quality (like a home console title). The best launch game IMHO is Sound Shapes. I <3 its simplicity.

The weight is just about right, not too heavy, not too light.

I didn't get to try the non-games. Will revisit in say... 2 months time.

 

[pramath]

You don't get it, or are you pretending that you have no idea what other people are talking about? because it is not working.

Read Thunderbear's post.

These are the threads you've been making.

- The 3DS Lineup For 2012 is HUGE... Best Lineup for any system next year
- PS Vita Memory Cards and Accessories Priced By Gamestop
- Mario Kart 7 Review Thread: First Reviews In
- Some PS Vita retail games will require memory cards to start
- GAF, do you prefer Nintendo as a hardware maker or a software maker?
- What is the best Nintendo console of all time?
- What do you think will become the 3DS's defining game?

I get it, I am talking about something else entirely. I understood that (did you not see my post above?) but I was having some other problems with my posting history, which I was asking for help with.
Apparently, I can't do that either.
Talk about an unfriendly forum.

 

[benny_a]

I suppose, lol.
I'll try to talk about other things as well, although I don't understand what my post history should have anything to do with anything if my post content is all correct :/
Anyway, I get your point

It shouldn't have anything to do with the content of your post. Some of the things in your OP are objectively worse than previous systems.

From your list what I think sucks:
Battery time. More is always better. But because I'm not a dude that plays long sessions I'm only going to be affected when I forget to plug it in which will happen often. I could overcome this. (I shouldn't have to.)
Memory cards. It's basically required but it's an extra charge. Expensive and annoying.
Only one account per system. I regularly buy games on the US/UK/German PSN store. I do that because I either import a lot and the DLC requires this or because I take advantage of regional deals.
I want to give Sony my money, but they are making it hard for me to do so.
All the other points are valid, but for me personally I don't care.

I think a few people attack you because they think your intention of this thread isn't to inform but rather to stir some shit up. I doubt there is a single person genuinely affected by every single issue mentioned in the OP.

But in the end it's all about the games. And if I want to play FIFA on the go it's going to be on the Vita.
There is no other place to play Gravity Daze, so it's the Vita.

 

[Ydahs]

The only real issue that concerns me is the memory card pricing, which is unacceptable. I'll probably wait until a third party releases a compatible card at a fraction of the price before buying one now. Or when the console gets it first must have title that I simply cannot resist.

 

[DR2K]

*Insert waiting for re-design joke*

Vita is a fucking ugly piece of shit compared to the GO. That's one of the biggest reasons I'm not going anywhere near it.

 

[Takao]

Honestly, it's easier to list Vita's faults than its positives. That's the exciting thing. Like just the other day, we learned that the OS supports universal custom soundtracks, or how there will be a variety of free to play games available, even at launch! This is why I'll take the exceedingly expensive Memory Cards, and this is why I'll take $250-$299.

 

[patsu]

Honestly, it's easier to list Vita's faults than its positives. That's the exciting thing. Like just the other day, we learned that the OS supports universal custom soundtracks, or how there will be a variety of free to play games available, even at launch!

What free to play game(s) ?

The only games I care about at launch are: Sound Shapes and Gravity Daze. May be LBP for Vita.

Vita is a fucking ugly piece of shit compared to the GO. That's one of the biggest reasons I'm not going anywhere near it.

I suspect your opinion may change after you take into consideration Vita's screen vs Go's screen. The screen and its contents are what drives people's interests mainly.

 

[DXB-KNIGHT]

This thread is slowly turning into I hate the 3DS thread but vice versa but this time the OP doesn't hate the Vita

 

[madmaxx350]

Vita is a fucking ugly piece of shit compared to the GO. That's one of the biggest reasons I'm not going anywhere near it.

I disagree. The biggest reason i stayed away from the go was that awful design. The price didn't help its case also.

What free to play game(s) ?

The only games I care about at launch are: Sound Shapes and Gravity Daze. May be LBP for Vita.




I suspect your opinion may change after you take into consideration Vita's screen vs Go's screen. The screen and its contents are what drives people's interests mainly.

But my friend, none of those two are launch titles.

 

[Corto]

Vita is a fucking ugly piece of shit compared to the GO. That's one of the biggest reasons I'm not going anywhere near it.

You should seek help.

 

[frAntic_Frog]

If Sony doesn't fix this before the revised 3DS with two analogs comes out they're dead.

3ds dual analog ADD-ON poses a threat to Vita as much as the Kinect posed a threat to Wii.....

 

[DR2K]

I suspect your opinion may change after you take into consideration Vita's screen vs Go's screen. The screen and its contents are what drives people's interests mainly.

Once you Go GO, you never go brick.

 

[LeleSocho]

Battery Life:
• not a problem for me
>Entry Price:
• not a problem for me
>No on board memory:
• not a problem for me
>Memory Cards are a requirement for many games, games won't even start without Memory Cards:
• fuckin' nuts, huge deal breaker
>No TV output:
• would be good to have it but whatever it's not a big issue can live without it
>Backwards Compatibiltiy is a mess:
• never had a psp so no problem
>Only one account per system:
• hate this... but if they update often the demos and have the japanese ones too it really isn't a problem for me
>You can't use the browser while playing games:
• yep lame but probably when i'm gonna buy the system they already fixed this
PSOne Classic Games Won't Be Available At Launch:
• like above

 

[patsu]

Once you Go GO, you never go brick.

Once you go OLED + dual sticks, you'll never go Go.


Vita has its flaws and threats, but not this way. Sony need to differentiate more against iOS + Android or the mainstream press will think it's dead. And of course, some large scale promo (e.g., memory card bundle) at launch is always good to exchange for goodwill.

 

[manueldelalas]

You missed the biggest flaw IMO.

The VITA has two analog sticks, but it only has two triggers. Many uniformed people think this is a non issue because they assume the back touchscreen can replace the L2/L3/R2/R3.

This is wrong, games are replacing that buttons with the front touchscreen. Using the back touchscreen to replace those buttons would suck because of accidental presses of that thing, which covers most of the back of the handheld and would make it difficult to just hold the handheld.

This issue alone craps all over the dual analog setup, as any console gamer will know, and it makes us hope that some day a frankenstick is released for the VITA and makes the dual analog setup usable.

 

[legbone]

no on-board memory and the price of memory cards are the only cons to me. but i'm not really surprised considering how cheap the thing is with so much tech included. i figured we would have to pay up somewhere and memory cards is where it will be. i'll probably just pick up the biggest card and figure i have a $350 (approx) handheld, which is what i figured the thing would launch for prior to the price announcement. so i'm good. now, gimme my wipeout!!!!

 

[frAntic_Frog]

You missed the biggest flaw IMO.


This is wrong, games are replacing that buttons with the front touchscreen. Using the back touchscreen to replace those buttons would suck because of accidental presses of that thing, which covers most of the back of the handheld and would make it difficult to just hold the handheld.
.

so you are saying 1:1 porting of PS3 games isnt all that practical?

win-f**king-win situation if you ask me


no more complaints of DOWNGRADED PS3 PORTS for every VITA game review now

if developers will actually have to USE the rear touch for more controls unique to Vita then im ALL FOR IT

 

[Takao]

What free to play game ?

The only games I care about at launch are: Sound Shapes and Gravity Daze. May be LBP for Vita.

I'm talking about Japanese launch, nothing has really solidified about the US lineup. Free to play games (okay, some aren't real games) available at Vita's launch include:

Browser Sangokushi Next
The Hero Records
AR Combat Digi-Q
Friend Network
NAX Music Player

There may be a couple others that I've forgotten too.

 

[Übermatik]

Really? This thread exists already?

(The Mac thing is kinda screwy though...)

 

[patsu]

You missed the biggest flaw IMO.

The VITA has two analog sticks, but it only has two triggers. Many uniformed people think this is a non issue because they assume the back touchscreen can replace the L2/L3/R2/R3.

This is wrong, games are replacing that buttons with the front touchscreen. Using the back touchscreen to replace those buttons would suck because of accidental presses of that thing, which covers most of the back of the handheld and would make it difficult to just hold the handheld.

This issue alone craps all over the dual analog setup, as any console gamer will know, and it makes us hope that some day a frankenstick is released for the VITA and makes the dual analog setup usable.

Clickable dual sticks would be ideal !

As for how to replace R2/R3 and L2/L3, I think it depends on the game.

The back trackpad is very long. When holding normally, the middle area should be untouched. We will probably need a dedicated thread just to discuss the replacement mechanisms.

EDIT: After trying out a few LBP levels on Vita, I can tell you *sometimes* the backtrack is better than the touchscreen (e.g., guiding slow objects on the screen). It's because my finger keeps blocking my view.

Touchscreen games usually rely on fast action (e.g., Cut the Rope, Fruit Ninja) so that our pointing finger gets out of the way asap.

 

[airmangataosenai]

Hmmm... looking at my own threads history, there are several threads that don't show up there:

a) I made a thread asking which Elder Scrolls game was the best. It's not in my posting history
b) I made a thread asking which Zelda game is the best. It is not in my posting history
c) I made a thread about Bioware. It is also not in my posting history.
d) This thread is not in my posting history

This is just the off the top of my head.
Do those threads show up for you in my posting history? Or is this a bug that I have to contact site technical support about?

I don't see it either, maybe it's a newer thread? I've noticed when I search my recent posts nothing since my posts in the Chrono Trigger ER thread are showing up.

 

[Infinite Justice]

Would be cool if that discount thing would be true cuz anything that requires me to spend less money is a good thing.

I suppose, lol.
I'll try to talk about other things as well, although I don't understand what my post history should have anything to do with anything if my post content is all correct :/
Anyway, I get your point

It won't matter that the content is correct if the source is questionable, hell some might think youre just using it to push some agenda. Plus your post only dealt with the negatives

Clickable dual sticks would be ideal !

As for how to replace R2/R3 and L2/L3, I think it depends on the game.

The back trackpad is very long. When holding normally, the middle area should be untouched. We will probably need a dedicated thread just to discuss the replacement mechanisms.

They supposedly have that pressure sensor based on the surface area of your finger.

I don't see it either, maybe it's a newer thread? I've noticed when I search my recent posts nothing since my posts in the Chrono Trigger ER thread are showing up.

Could be a limit set by Evilore since search was taxing the system recently and they took it down for a while. Or they were lost while it was taken down.

 

[pramath]

You missed the biggest flaw IMO.

The VITA has two analog sticks, but it only has two triggers. Many uniformed people think this is a non issue because they assume the back touchscreen can replace the L2/L3/R2/R3.

This is wrong, games are replacing that buttons with the front touchscreen. Using the back touchscreen to replace those buttons would suck because of accidental presses of that thing, which covers most of the back of the handheld and would make it difficult to just hold the handheld.

This issue alone craps all over the dual analog setup, as any console gamer will know, and it makes us hope that some day a frankenstick is released for the VITA and makes the dual analog setup usable.

The rear touch pad is big enough as to where it should be able to emulate the L3 and R3 buttons without a hitch.
There will be no Frankenstick add on for the Vita.

I don't see it either, maybe it's a newer thread? I've noticed when I search my recent posts nothing since my posts in the Chrono Trigger ER thread are showing up.

All those are threads I have made since the search function temporarily went down. I wonder why they will not show up.

It won't matter if the content correct if the source is questionable in their eyes hell they might think your using it to push some agenda. Plus your post only dealt with the negatives

Yeah, I see that now...

 

[madmaxx350]

Would be cool if that discount thing would be true cuz anything that requires me to spend less money is a good thing.



It won't matter if the content correct if the source is questionable in their eyes hell they might think your using it to push some agenda. Plus your post only dealt with the negatives

I'm pretty sure it's because almost all those negatives he posted were followed by a 3DS-does-not-do-that comparison.

 

[marc^o^]

In the revision I want the PSP Go design - a bit bigger, a 3D screen, internal storage, TV out, and all this at a lower price. I expect it mid 2013, unless Vita sells extremely well.

 

[chickdigger802]

So how is the online aspect of vita?

I know they have some 'streetpass' equivalent using gps, but how is the online portion gonna work. Will it be like ps3 psn?

 

[viciouskillersquirrel]

Pramath, you should not have been the one to start this thread. Also, Nintendo will be fine without your help and Sony is not the enemy.

As for the issues in the OP, the memory card issue is the one that hurts the most. I paid full launch price for a 3DS and was really tempted by the PSV's base price (3G is worthless), but a mandatory $30 surcharge on top of Amazon shipping fees* pushes it out of buy at launch territory for me.

The rest I can live with, to be honest. Battery life isn't a huge problem for me as I'm in the habit of charging my devices every day and Sony is nowhere near as bad as Nintendo when it comes to releasing games in one region but not others.

* I live in Australia. Importing from the US is usually substantially cheaper for me than buying local.

 

[Takao]

So how is the online aspect of vita?

I know they have some 'streetpass' equivalent using gps, but how is the online portion gonna work. Will it be like ps3 psn?

You're going to have to be a bit more specific. But generally speaking, it will be better than PS3. ;p

 

[LowEndTorque]

the memory card prices are ludicrous.

I'm guessing the proprietary format was developed for DRM/Piracy reasons and they are passing the expense on to you.

 

[Sintoid]

In the revision I want the PSP Go design - a bit bigger, a 3D screen, internal storage, TV out, and all this at a lower price. I expect it mid 2013, unless Vita sells extremely well.

Aaaannndd.... obviously 3DS price.... -_-

 

[sakipon]

I'm pretty sure it's because almost all those negatives he posted were followed by a 3DS-does-not-do-that comparison.

To be fair, 3DS got it's own share of 'Sony does it better!' at launch. And after launch. Actually it's only lately been toning down a bit.

I don't care for hardware wars, I see good sides in all platforms and end up owning most of them. But as a bystander I'm sort of getting the vibe GAF is fine with mocking 3DS but posting a list of Vita's negative points isn't as well received.

 

[Trojita]

OP is trying too hard.

 

[Infinite Justice]

I'm pretty sure it's because almost all those negatives he posted were followed by a 3DS-does-not-do-that comparison.

yea i don't think that helped either (although they do show that Sony is doing/on some weird shit)

Yeah, I see that now...

The intent might have been pure but others might not see it that way based on how you've been known to operate.


As said before those flaws cannot be ignored though since there ought to be at least one that will rub someone the wrong way (memory card prices mainly for me :/)

 

[Special J]

worthless backpanel.

 

[viciouskillersquirrel]

worthless backpanel.

Back panel is the best new idea Sony put into the PSV. The potential for it is huge. Heck, if you design it right, you need never touch the right analog at all.

 

[Takao]

worthless backpanel.

Nah, it's given me this image:

 

[Infinite Justice]

Back panel is the best new idea Sony put into the PSV. The potential for it is huge. Heck, if you design it right, you need never touch the right analog at all.

I need that gif of the guy wearing glasses and a surgical mask making fondling gestures LOL


EDIT: GLORIOUSLY BEATEN

 

[neptunes]

Nah, it's given me this image:

hahaha where the fuck is that from?

 

[Hyuga]

Joke list is a joke.

But seriously, the only complaint that I can accept is the "memory card" story.
The other stuff.... aren't really flaws.

 

[ShirAhava]

List full of stuff I don't care about even a little bit? VITA DAY ONE!

 

[Snuggles]

Joke list is a joke.

But seriously, the only compaint that I can accept is the "memory card" story.
The other stuff.... aren't really flaws.

Actually, it's quite informative, and it's helpful to me as someone who's on the market for a new handheld. I don't really understand how it could be misconstrued as a joke...maybe explain that to me? You say those other things aren't flaws, but they certainly don't seem like positives either.

 

[Infinite Justice]

hahaha where the fuck is that from?

IIRC its some japanese game but i cant remember the name. The guy in the vid is supposedly the lead developer of the game and actually dresses like that (mask, shades, etc)

 

[gofreak]

Actually, it's quite informative, and it's helpful to me as someone who's on the market for a new handheld. I don't really understand how it could be misconstrued as a joke...maybe explain that to me? You say those other things aren't flaws, but they certainly don't seem like positives either.

Well, the OP comes across as having a serious persecution complex wrt Nintendo. Like comparing the lack of day one PSone BC to 3DS digital strategy and wondering why Sony isn't getting as much heat as Nintendo for that has to be a joke.

These things haven't 'been ignored' either. We've had long threads about pretty much all of them. OP comes across as someone who perceives Sony as not getting enough criticism despite this and wanting more from GAF on that end, because he perceives Nintendo has been criticised more.

 

[daffy]

Who would believe you're just trying to inform when you're constantly drawing lines in the sand between gaming handhelds for Pete's sake. You can't even read the list without stumbling over "Nintendo" this and "3DS" that. Pretty much every bullet point was covered in the last month or is still being discussed. "Not Managing Vita with a Mac" I mean look at this shit. Come on my brony, you knew this wasn't gonna slide. Nintendo doesn't need fair representation ffs.

 

[Wario64]

vita has no game

 

[DCharlie]

Only one account per system:

this is the only real pain in the arse really, but i'm lying - i'll just buy two vita's and have done with it.

Simples.

 

[pramath]

Who would believe you're just trying to inform when you're constantly drawing lines in the sand between gaming handhelds for Pete's sake. You can't even read the list without stumbling over "Nintendo" this and "3DS" that. Pretty much every bullet point was covered in the last month or is still being discussed. "Not Managing Vita with a Mac" I mean look at this shit. Come on my brony, you knew this wasn't gonna slide. Nintendo doesn't need fair representation ffs.

I added no Mac support after I was told to add in the point by some other user.

 

[Takao]

IIRC its some japanese game i cant remember and that guy is the lead developer of the game and actually dresses like that (mask, shades, etc)

It's Dream Club Zero Portable, and yes I believe that man is the director. He must be ashamed, because this trailer is not safe for life.

 

[Sintoid]

I added no Mac support after I was told to add in the point by some other user.

Considering that PSOne games and multitasking browser are confirmed via firmware update and Mac client will arrive in a second time I suppose these are no flaws, like was no flaw for 3ds having no browser until June...