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Vita Will Allow Multiple PSN Accounts, Sony Says
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If you don't want a Vita then why are you still here? If you're not interested then don't buy it - case closed. But whining about something so superficial as convenience to me just seems spoiled. And yes, note the word I use - convenience - not price. Because that's what you're REALLY arguing about.
If I get a Vita, I'll get the 4GB and live with it for now. Why do I need to throw my money around buying an expensive 32GB? I'm not that stupid.
You do need to be realistic and consider whether you'll actively play those games or not. I agree, they need to keep it easy to swap media, but I can't see myself keep FFVII-IX and juggling them all at once unless it was a sort of experiment to compare the games at various points or something, and even then 8's enough since I doubt you'd ALSO be doing this with Grandia, Wild Arms 2, etc at the same time. At worst I'll be swapping them around after I get the system to see how they call look... then calm down and focus on one or two.
You are right on that too. Either way, its going to be fantastic.
I just want to play games.
Thats what YOU think. That OLED screen is going to beckon.
BlueTsunami
there is joy in sucking dick
I'm sorry but this argument is hilarious considering most devices that utilize memory cards come with a free 16GB sdhc card (not to mention some amount of usable internal storage). Saying to "live with" a 4GB memory card in 2012 is mind boggling considering how heavily a media device the Vita should be. But sure we aren't owed anything from Sony especially this memory card bum rush. Being apologetic towards this just blows my mind.
jeremy1456
Junior Member
I have my pre-order in and have $50 down. At first I wasn't interested, but I have since changed with a few key games announced. The memory card fiasco is certainly a set back though.
Yes convenience is superficial. We should all not even get the Vita, or 3DS, because having a handheld is all about convenience. It's so superficial. You are crazy sir.
With the way the system has been advertised there's an emphasis on digital downloads. Having overpriced memory cards with no internal storage and no way to boot certain games without the cards sucks. Did you weep tears of joy over how 'inconvenient' this is because now you can 'live with it?'
Sheesh, give me a break. Maybe Sony should give you a raise.
What I don't understand is, if Vita isn't region locked why not have one PSN account that can access content from all regions? I mean, if people want content that is in Japanese, but they're in the US let'em have it. Same with Japanese gamers who want games in English. Having 3 different stores with different content doesn't make sense. Have one account that can buy any of the content.
What devices would that be? I've bought a few portable systems, a camera, GPS etc. and don't remember any of that being bundled with a card.
Well, you have to consider how you'll actually be using it. It'd be insane to go with 4GB on something to record videos, and possibly on a music player that isn't really small, but if you plan to mainly buy physical games then sticking with a 4GB card really shouldn't matter. If you're planning on seriously watching movies on it or buying a lot of digital games (or using those you already own) then you're right "living with" a 4GB card isn't practical at all.
I'm guessing two reasons: publishers, if not Sony themselves, want some semblance of regional control and this is a compromise between full lockout (Nintendo) and being wide open (Android?), and possibly to avoid consumer confusion when they hear of some neat game only to discover it is not in their own language. Or they pick the wrong market, whichever, not to mention the different payment options, though it'd be kind of ridiculous to block cards based on where they were issued if you have the market wide open anyway.
BlueTsunami
there is joy in sucking dick
Smartphones mainly, lots of offers that include large memory cards. My Samsung Galaxy S 4G came with a 16GB card. Hell my Canon Rebel XT I bought 4 years ago came with a 512MB card.
It's a way to enforce region pricing.
Assuming the right exchange rate, why would anyone in the UK buy the digital version of a title when they could buy the US version for cheaper?
At least with retail there's the barrier of importing, so they don't care as much.
Admittedly we have Steam showing how that can be done (market's open to anyone, but prices are determined by your region). Actually, I kind of get the impression the industry in Japan in general is much tighter on regional control than in North America or Europe, note how many NA games for 360 are region free whereas Japanese ones usually aren't, despite the fact the inverse would probably make more sense given the price of games in Japan. Not to mention Nintendo's response to implanting a market and ratings control was a complete lockout.
Ah. Well, iPhone 4 is my first smartphone and it doesn't even have a slot, and the previous ones I bought had the slot but you had to buy the card by yourself so I'll just believe you.
Still, it doesn't seem like most of the devices which utilize memory cards to me...
jeremy1456
Junior Member
He exaggerated slightly, but my smartphone came with a 16GB card as well.
As I've always said, the Vita memory cards are definitely very expensive, but I really don't think it's such a deal breaker to buy a smaller-sized card first. I'll wait until the prices come down before buying a bigger capacity card.
If it is such a big deal to you then it's best that you continue playing games on your smartphones then since you can buy the memory card at the price you want to pay.
Only slightly?
Either your memory is terrible or you're intentionally trying to rewrite history.
Nintendo 3DS Region Code confirmed by Nintendo JP Support has 15 pages and you posted in it.
Nintendo on 3DS region locking has 9 pages.
These threads are full of people who are completely upset by the news, despite the blow being softened by the DSi being partially region locked so people were expecting the terrible news. Many people, including myself, continued to be bitter about it in every game announcement thread.
bigtroyjon
Member
This is probably the exact thought that will go through most consumers heads. It's up to Sony to change people's minds and the more user unfriendly features that get announced, the harder it will be for them to do that.
Those memory prices will drop. Most consumers won't get a gaming device at $250 anyways. Plus the casual consumers aren't the ones throwing indignant tantrums like the ones I've seen here.
jeremy1456
Junior Member
They also aren't 'living with it' and tend to be a little 'spoiled.'
demosthenes
Member
I have no problem with this, Vita is 100% region free. If you want to get JP/EU stuff get an extra memory card. It does suck a bit but we still have 100% region free.
If there are hundreds of factories churning out SD cards, of course it's cheaper.
These new memory cards probably only have 1 or 2 factories making them. Safety is a huge reason for this.
On the PS3 I can buy a game on the PSN US Store, activate on my PS3 and play the game on my European account and collect trophies on that.
On the Vita I can buy a game on the PSN US Store and I have to play on the account I bought it from. No trophies for that game for me.
I wonder whether I can play US Retail games with a European account.
GodfatherX
Member
Safety?
what safety? are SHDC cards now being used as some type of device to assault people?
demosthenes
Member
It's not perfect, but it's much better than what people thought. I would prefer the PS3s system but we can't always get what we want
GodfatherX
Member
It's not perfect, but it's much better than what people thought. I would prefer the PS3s system but we can't always get what we want
why though? what legitimate reasons are there that prevent Sony from doing it? the open region never caused any issues with the PS3. It wasn't used as an exploit of any kind to pirate software. I am all ears for anyone to explain why this must be the case for a reason other then Sony wants to put the restriction there.
demosthenes
Member
In other threads I said I hoped some legitimate new sources would ask them and figure out why they basically killed digital region free, I hope they do for this too. At the end of the day I can still have a memory card for JP stuff if I ever want it, it's still better than resets.
charlequin
Banned
But the entire value proposition of the Vita (much like the PSP before it) is that it's as full-featured as a console (and nearly as powerful and full-featured as a console) but it's portable and designed around mobile use. When the system is full of features where Sony have upgraded the experience to match their console offering, why should I be held back by a few areas where the features are a step backwards -- when that step back has no technical reason underlying it? It's disingenuous for Sony to sell a product by touting its console-like functionality and then fall back on "well, what did you expect? it's a handheld!" when they want to cut out a feature.
This is the same problem. "We made these cool features that make our system awesome! ....Except you can't use them if you don't follow our exact rules for how you should use your device -- rules that aren't there on your other device!"
On PSP, accounts didn't matter because there were no account-based features. Nowadays it's different: we have trophies that we want to keep distinct (because Sony's invested in making trophies a desirable feature to use); we have unique friends lists (which the Vita's online-focused design will make it easier to keep up and/or play with); we have separate save games (a feature we can live without, but which is nonetheless a beneficial quality-of-life improvement.) We got used to these things, and gave ourselves nice marketing-friendly unique accounts with separate logins, because the console makers wanted us to do that. Now all I'm asking is that their latest device actually work with those features that I've been made accustomed to on the products I already own.
I am a handheld-primary gamer and a huge handheld fanboy. For like a year my avatar was just a picture of a DS and PSP with "Play Handheld Games" written over it. There are a number of must-play franchises on both previous handhelds that guarantee I will eventually own both a 3DS and Vita -- which is more than I can say for the next batch of three consoles. (I wasn't going to buy one at launch, but I've never bought any system at launch. With handhelds it's at least usually within the first eighteen months, though.)
My frustration comes from the fact that both of this new generation's handhelds are downgrades in many real, meaningful ways over their predecessors: badly priced, filled with arbitrary content restrictions or horribly designed online systems, features left out, games or accessories price hiked, etc. while at the same time both systems are passing over obvious improvements to their predecessors. I'm going to wind up buying both of them but neither is going to be as good a system as it's predecessor, and that irritates me greatly.
iceatcs
Junior Member
It is quite obviously that Sony don't want Vita to be readable. That's why it can be transfer from PS3 or app for PC like ipod touch with itunes. Hence they use proprietary memory stick and weird format because it make difficult to read in other devices to prevent from hack.
Also, of course bloody hell Sony need money. Who thought they don't need it?!?
Shit happen, but PSP scene was quite bad.
Bit early to say that about the Vita. It's not like the PSP didn't have its own set of problems and issues, including very expensive memory cards at launch and for years afterwards.
DCharlie
And even i am moderately surprised
i'm shifting more to being primarily a portable player (no time when at home) and i'm quite happy with the mobile choices.
The 3DS has surprised me, outstripping what i expected of it already. The Vita is once again the 'power' angle and adds somethings that hamstrung the PSP experience, and the iphone is largely for quicker smaller games (addicted to W.E.L.D.E.R. right now)
Biggest pain is battery life coupled with no removable battery, but i can see why that's the case especially with the Vita! lol.
LiquidSolid
Member
No, it's not a reason to act in business. You know what is? A lot of the negative reactions found in this thread and I'm adding my voice to the chorus. Until they fix this, I'm not buying a Vita.
And because the defence force people insist on continually bringing up the 3DS, I'll go ahead and say that I won't be buying one until a) It has a decent library and b) It's hacked, so I can make it region free.
Here means New Zealand and it wasn't released in Australia or here yesterday because XSEED don't want to shell up the cash to get their games classified in Australia (NZ uses Aus' classifications up until the M rating, when we use our own ratings). This despite the fact that small UK publishers like Rising Star Games and Ghostlight manage to release their games here. Same thing happened with all the Ys games.
I'd bet there's only one reason, SCEI. They give the 3 divisions WAY too much freedom and that results in a lot of redundancy between them all (each have their own QA, PS Store, websites and even the bloody twitter handles). If they had any brains they'd try to merge things together to create the impression that there's some semblance of unity but that'd require co-ordination, something SCE has lacked since the division was created.
You're technically right, but it's hard to be as optimistic given how smartphones and tablets have at the least drawn away some of the more casual audience and a good number of developers (and seem to be the only place for reliable western support), plus the power increase will probably force out some of the games that managed to crop up on PSP/3DS.
Of course, if both are much more resistant to being hacked wide open it may actually end up viable enough for games, assuming enough pirates actually turn to being consumers given a lot of them may just not care if it can't be a free ride again.
Yeah, they should probably do that. If they were on the ball there from the start we'd probably have fewer instances of games being OK for one region but not the others (beyond absolutely necessary stuff like legal or contractual concerns), inconsistencies with how the PSN store is run (update times, pictures/videos being shown), and even crap like switching X/O around that could've been easily nipped in the bud rather than allowed to be a minor nuisance in localization or multiplatform games. Then again, who knows, maybe stuff like that is why we got PS2 games at all?
Infinite Justice
Member
Thanks man.
'Sense of entitlement' is an exaggeration. We multilingual people are happy to pay whatever the prices might be for the software we want. What we insist on is that we refuse to be denied service.
Pie and Beans said:
We need access to multiple markets because these publishers insist on splitting their product into three closed-off markets. It's not about 'regions'; it's about languages.
You'll still get trophies on the US Vita game. Just on your US PSN account which you don't care about
you *should* be able to play US retail games (physical cards) while signed into a European PSN account.
Definitely. Some games seem to never come out in Europe or seem to be stuck in QA. Sony's way of handling DD content is just horrible. Even if the US department says This content is good to go, Sony Europe feels the need to check everything again. Games get delayed all the time.
The situation is even worse when it comes to Avatars and other smaller stuff. They have to be submitted to the EU again Microsoft seems to have one submission process which makes everything way easier.
I know that some PSOne games cannot come out (in a timely manner) but there's absolutely no excuse for screwing up original content over and over and over again. Sony has had many years to fix their broken way of doing things but they didn't.
This also seems to entirely block game sharing, which seems over-strict.
Eg I buy a PS Vita game on my PSN account and put it on my Vita. If my son/daughter has their own vita, they'll have their own PSN account. But won't that mean they can't now transfer that game to their PSN account? Or does it just factor in the region of the account? i.e we both have UK accounts, so I can transfer a UK Vita game to both of them?
Eg I buy a PS Vita game on my PSN account and put it on my Vita. If my son/daughter has their own vita, they'll have their own PSN account. But won't that mean they can't now transfer that game to their PSN account? Or does it just factor in the region of the account? i.e we both have UK accounts, so I can transfer a UK Vita game to both of them?
To Far Away Times
Member
Okay, this is kinda lame but passable I guess. At least I'll be able to get the inevitable Cave DLCs and various Japan only PSN games.
Its a small issue for a small percent of an already small user base. I dont get the problem, the way the system is setup from the ground up this is more or less the only way they could do it, people were up in arms that they couldnt do it now they can they are up in arms still. Your a tiny percent of a percent who even care about this, im getting one launch day consider myself a hardcore gamer have about three different region psn accounts and even i dont care about this.
It's 2004 again.
Only a fraction of users has multiple accounts that they use regularly. I doubt this was a consideration Sony made.
Captain Smoker
Member
This reads even worse.
Is this basically the next one in your line of posts that started with claiming, with complete authority, that there never will be PS2 software emulation of any form on PS3? Because I don't know how you would know that, and it doesn't make any technical sense at all. Sony expects you to play retail games from these cards, and class 6 (and even 10) read speeds likely won't cut it for that.
Since it looks like you can back up saves to the PS3 then being smart about it may help. Especially if they let you do that on PC too, or allow PSN+ Cloud Saves to extend to the Vita. If saves are completely locked for forever then... fuck, fix that ASAP, that's just going too far.
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
welcome to the Nuclear Muffin experience. He likes to post only in absolutes about stuff he has no knowledge of. The best bit is when he calls people 'idiots' for believing the counterpoint, eg. There will NEVER be a second analog add on for the 3DS , that would be stupid and you are an idiot for believing this rumour etc.
Oh I understand, no doubt I'll be wanting an EU and US account for the stuff that often doesnt come over or takes an extra year. But that theres a solution to it is fine by me, even if its at cost. People just have varying levels of what kind of capitalism theyre willing to support. For me I balk at the idea of paying for p2p Xbox Live gaming and getting access to 'apps' that are free on the PS3, while for others the idea of paying to access different regional content is unfathomable.
I get the concerns, really I do. But too many posters are using this as the classic pre-launch hype strangulation process where they dogpile on over the most obscure of issues in true GAF stylee.