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[Ceebs]

Both will make a huge amount of money opening weekend, but I think Batman has to be a good movie to come even close to repeating what The Dark Knight did. Expectations are bound to be higher for a sequel where almost everyone loved the previous one.

Avengers can be pure shit and will still cruise to 300 million. It will play to the same Marvel audience that has been going to see the rest of the their stuff for years + the Transformers type crowd who will go see shit blowing up.

 

[RBelong2Us]

Nolan's Batman is an established series, what is The Avengers? A cumulation of characters in movies that made about 150m each in the states (except Iron Man, but many were disappointed in the last film)

This Ledger dying argument for why DK made so much is crazy, how many people actually know individuals who went soley because of his death?

DK sold almost 17m units on DVD in the states, Avatar made more money yet sold about 11m in comparison. Is Ledger's death the reason behind that too?

 

[cutmeamango]

Both will best Avatar thus creating a better world.

 

[CosmicGroinPull]

Those are Avengers fans too, all 12 of them

'My parents are DEAD!'

 

[artist]

Both will best Avatar thus creating a better world.

Fuck the stealth troll, right?

 

[The Elite]

Nolan's Batman is an established series, what is The Avengers? A cumulation of characters in movies that made about 150m each in the states (except Iron Man, but many were disappointed in the last film)

This Ledger dying argument for why DK made so much is crazy, how many people actually know individuals who went soley because of his death?

DK sold almost 17m units on DVD in the states, Avatar made more money yet sold about 11m in comparison. Is Ledger's death the reason behind that too?

That has to do with TDK being a far better film than Avatar. More people wanted to own it on video and show it to their friends. Avatar just wasn't that good in the end.

I'm not saying that the butts who filled seats because of Ledger didn't enjoy the film I'm just saying that a lot of the talk and publicity around the film at that time had to do with Ledger's death and piqued the curiosity of moviegoers. It made a difference.

 

[RBelong2Us]

Yeah, the majority enjoyed DK, that's the thing. So, there's really no reason that those people won't see Rises. It should have no problem making as much or more than DK, considering inflation as well.

 

[MrPink93485]

That has to do with TDK being a far better film than Avatar. More people wanted to own it on video and show it to their friends. Avatar just wasn't that good in the end.

I'm not saying that the butts who filled seats because of Ledger didn't enjoy the film I'm just saying that a lot of the talk and publicity around the film at that time had to do with Ledger's death and piqued the curiosity of moviegoers. It made a difference.

I can assume that was probably a factor in terms of getting people into the seats for the Dark Knight, but, walking out of the theater, I assume that many would be willing to see a 3rd one. No need necessarily for a Joker to get em' in the seats this time if they already have the goodwill from the quality of the 2nd film. I don't expect TDKR to outgross TDK domestically, but the international market has grown far too much since 2008 for this to not get somewhere within the range of 1 billion. Especially with the number of additional IMAX theaters there are, the number of screens, and some additional markets that TDKR will be releasing in.

 

[The Elite]

I can assume that was probably a factor in terms of getting people into the seats for the Dark Knight, but, walking out of the theater, I assume that many would be willing to see a 3rd one. No need necessarily for a Joker to get em' in the seats this time if they already have the goodwill from the quality of the 2nd film. I don't expect TDKR to outgross TDK domestically, but the international market has grown far too much since 2008 for this to not get somewhere within the range of 1 billion. Especially with the number of additional IMAX theaters there are, the number of screens, and some additional markets that TDKR will be releasing in.

I think the lack of a remotely compelling villain may hurt it's box office. I'm not sure how many people are actually going for Bale's Batman. I thought he was the most disappointing part of TDK. If he was surrounded by compelling characters the film would have been a train wreck.

I expect Nolan to deliver a great story but I think the lack of a "perfect storm" media blitz will hurt its chances of reaching $1 billion again.

Then again, Nolan fans are a dedicated bunch. They go see a Nolan flick 2-3 times so I could be wrong.

I'm still saying $800 - $900 mil. It won't do more than TDK like some are speculating.

 

[MrPink93485]

I think the lack of a remotely compelling villain may hurt it's box office. I'm not sure how many people are actually going for Bale's Batman. I thought he was the most disappointing part of TDK. If he was surrounded by compelling characters the film would have been a train wreck.

I expect Nolan to deliver a great story but I think the lack of a "perfect storm" media blitz will hurt its chances of reaching $1 billion again.

Then again, Nolan fans are a dedicated bunch. They go see a Nolan flick 2-3 times so I could be wrong.

I'm still saying $800 - $900 mil. It won't do more than TDK like some are speculating.

I think it's far too early to assume Bane won't be a compelling villain in his own right. Of course, he's not the Joker, but if Bane is a great villain in the movie, then the audience will flock eventually.

I expect it to outgross TDK unless the movie is a major disappointment. Though that didn't stop Spider-Man 3 from being the highest grossing film in the series worldwide curiously enough

 

[The Elite]

I think it's far too early to assume Bane won't be a compelling villain in his own right. Of course, he's not the Joker, but if Bane is a great villain in the movie, then the audience will flock eventually.

I expect it to outgross TDK unless the movie is a major disappointment. Though that didn't stop Spider-Man 3 from being the highest grossing film in the series worldwide curiously enough

I think the problem with selling Bane as compelling right now is that he isn't Joker. Joker had a rich history and is one of those super villains who has relevance outside geek/comic book circles.

Bane just doesn't have that, not at all. The one glimpse the public was given of him didn't do the production any wonders either. I expect Nolan to remedy that though.

We will see, I'm still looking forward to the film I simply don't trust the TDK numbers enough to say they will be repeated with TDKR. Ledger's death played a factor in them and I wouldn't be quick to assume that the box office will be repeated.

If I'm wrong, no worries. A super hero film being successful is in all of our best interests here. We eat this stuff up.

 

[MrPink93485]

I think the problem with selling Bane as compelling right now is that he isn't Joker. Joker had a rich history and is one of those super villains who has relevance outside geek/comic book circles.

Bane just doesn't have that, not at all. The one glimpse the public was given of him didn't do the production any wonders either. I expect Nolan to remedy that though.

We will see, I'm still looking forward to the film I simply don't trust the TDK numbers enough to say they will be repeated with TDKR. Ledger's death played a factor in them and I wouldn't be quick to assume that the box office will be repeated.

Fair enough.

 

[richiek]

I'm surprised at people automatically assuming DKR is gonna beat Avengers in the BO. Some of the sneak peeks we've seen have not exactly been positive. For example, Bane's mumbling muffled speech, the football field blowing up behind an oblivious Hines Ward, and Catwoman's silly costume. Now I'm not saying DKR is gonna be Spider Man 3 bad, but history has shown it's very hard to maintain quality throughout a film series.

 

[Messypandas]

I think the problem with selling Bane as compelling right now is that he isn't Joker. Joker had a rich history and is one of those super villains who has relevance outside geek/comic book circles.

Bane just doesn't have that, not at all. The one glimpse the public was given of him didn't do the production any wonders either. I expect Nolan to remedy that though.

We will see, I'm still looking forward to the film I simply don't trust the TDK numbers enough to say they will be repeated with TDKR. Ledger's death played a factor in them and I wouldn't be quick to assume that the box office will be repeated.

And this is why they've shoehorned Catwoman in the movie. Because if one character has as much revelance outside geek circles as Joker it's Catwoman. She'll be plastered on everything

 

[The Elite]

And this is why they've shoehorned Catwoman in the movie. Because if one character has as much revelance outside geek circles as Joker it's Catwoman. She'll be plastered on everything

You're absolutely right. I'm surprised we haven't seen or heard more about her character at this point.

 

[Angry Fork]

People seem to really be underestimating the effect TDK had on people and the response it got, or they've forgotten. It's not just about Heath Ledger/Joker stuff. Many average movie goers felt like this movie was a real movie-going experience and you got your money's worth. Every single person who saw TDK and liked it will go and see Rises, and most of them liked it. Even those who didn't will probably go again just because it's going to be such a huge event. Then you have people who didn't see TDK but saw it later on and have heard about the 3rd and final in the trilogy.

TDKR box office will be monstrous, bigger than TDK and I wouldn't be shocked if it gets to 1.5 billion. I don't think Avengers will get past 600 mil to be honest, I'm expecting 500 million. Thor was terrible, Captain America was alright, and Iron Man 2 wreaked of meh. I feel nothing for Avengers and I say that as a comic fan, imagine people who don't give a shit about these characters because the movies for them were so weak. Those movies were made as advertisements for Avengers and they're going to fail at that job because making great movies featuring those characters is the proper way to advertise for Avengers. Not just shoe-horning in shield characters.

The only thing Avengers has going for it for me at least is Hulk who will probably only show up for 1 fight unfortunately. It'll be a great date movie but it's not going to be an explosive event like TDKR will be and Avatar was.

 

[Sho_Nuff82]

I think the problem with selling Bane as compelling right now is that he isn't Joker. Joker had a rich history and is one of those super villains who has relevance outside geek/comic book circles.

Bane just doesn't have that, not at all. The one glimpse the public was given of him didn't do the production any wonders either. I expect Nolan to remedy that though.

We will see, I'm still looking forward to the film I simply don't trust the TDK numbers enough to say they will be repeated with TDKR. Ledger's death played a factor in them and I wouldn't be quick to assume that the box office will be repeated.

If I'm wrong, no worries. A super hero film being successful is in all of our best interests here. We eat this stuff up.

Bane has now been in Batman: TAS, one of the straight-to-DVD movies based on that series (Batman: Mystery of the Batwoman), two of DCs newer animated standalone movies (Superman/Batman: Public Enemies & Justice League: Doom), The Batman, Batman Beyond, Young Justice, Batman & Robin (lol), Batman: Arkham Asylum & Arkham City, Lego Batman, and probably the most famous Bat-comic of the last 20 years, Knightfall.

He's hardly a big unknown. I'd wager he's more popular than Ra's Al Ghul, Scarecrow, or Zsasz. He's definitely become a regular in Batman's rogues gallery.

 

[06nbarnhill]

I am predicting an Avengers domba so............ DKR.

 

[Jokergrin]

People will go to see the Avengers for Renner

 

[The Elite]

Bane has now been in Batman: TAS, one of the straight-to-DVD movies based on that series (Batman: Mystery of the Batwoman), two of DCs newer animated standalone movies (Superman/Batman: Public Enemies & Justice League: Doom), The Batman, Batman Beyond, Young Justice, Batman & Robin (lol), Batman: Arkham Asylum & Arkham City, and probably the most famous Bat-comic of the last 20 years, Knightfall.

He's hardly a big unknown. I'd wager he's more popular than Ra's Al Ghul, Scarecrow, or Zsasz. He's definitely become a regular in Batman's rogues gallery.

He's not Joker. You can talk to most people on the street and they know who Joker is. You could have talked to them on the street before the Keaton film and they would have known who the Joker was.

You ask most people who Bane is and they are going to look at you funny. Some may remember a news story about him breaking Batman's back.

Everything you mentioned above exists in a certain geek bubble. I hate saying that, but it's true. Joker has mass market appeal while Bane doesn't. Nolan hasn't done much to sell him to audiences yet either.

Like someone above mentioned, that's why the film has Catwoman. She's another marketable character.

 

[TheKaeptain]

People will go to see the Avengers for Renner

Yes people will go watch a movie for some guy that the mainstream hardly knows.

 

[artist]

I'm surprised at people automatically assuming DKR is gonna beat Avengers in the BO. Some of the sneak peeks we've seen have not exactly been positive. For example, Bane's mumbling muffled speech, the football field blowing up behind an oblivious Hines Ward, and Catwoman's silly costume. Now I'm not saying DKR is gonna be Spider Man 3 bad, but history has shown it's very hard to maintain quality throughout a film series.

In your head? Cause in reality, I havent read anything even remotely close to that.

 

[Messypandas]

People will go to see the Avengers for Renner

Renner looks like a testicle

 

[The Elite]

Yes people will go watch a movie for some guy that the mainstream hardly knows.

Mainstreamers don't even seem to like him. He's hardly a draw. The most recognizable character for mainstream audiences on the Avengers character is Hulk. Marvel has done a great job of pushing Iron Man over the years but he's still second.

In your head? Cause in reality, I havent read anything even remotely close to that.

We've only had the one. The Bane shit was terrible but I thought the set piece (plane scene) was fantastic. Gives me faith in Nolan's ability to direct an action sequence this time around.

 

[Phoenician_Viking]

TDKR will stomp the Avengers in WW BO.

Super hero movies gross this summer will be like this

TDKR
Spiderman


Avengers. Avengers will be lucky if it makes 600 million.

 

[Recon]

I'm surprised at people automatically assuming DKR is gonna beat Avengers in the BO. Some of the sneak peeks we've seen have not exactly been positive. For example, Bane's mumbling muffled speech, the football field blowing up behind an oblivious Hines Ward, and Catwoman's silly costume. Now I'm not saying DKR is gonna be Spider Man 3 bad, but history has shown it's very hard to maintain quality throughout a film series.

What sneak peaks?

 

[Messofanego]

DKR will be boring and overwrought like TDK but perfectly executed and make a shit ton of money.
Avengers will be bright and colorful and awesome probably lots of fun but not has as wide appeal and make less.

huh? All the trailers and clips have shown Avengers has that mass appeal with all the humor and explosions and hot chicks. Dark Knight Rises is the less widely appealing with the doom and gloom "shit hitting the fan" tone seen in the trailers.

 

[NH Apache]

I think Catwoman is the big pull for people who aren't too familiar with Batman mythos. Eartha Kitt, Julie Newmar, Michelle Pfieffer, people know these roles. The villain isnt going to draw these casuals because nobody outside of comics knows who Bane is.

Mind blown.

Eartha Kitt was cat woman? Whaaaa

 

[The Elite]

TDKR will stomp the Avengers in WW BO.

Super hero movies gross this summer will be like this

TDKR
Spiderman


Avengers. Avengers will be lucky if it makes 600 million.

Iron Man made more than 600 mill worldwide. I think this will do more than that. I'm saying around 750 mill.

 

[apana]

Dark Knight Rises will be the better movie obviously unless you are a fan of Marvel stuff and box office is not even a question. I'm sure they are aiming for somewhere between 1-1.5 billion dollars.

 

[richiek]

In your head? Cause in reality, I havent read anything even remotely close to that.

Then you haven't been paying close attention. There's been tons of articles on Bane's unintelligible speech as well lots of GAF posters commenting about how silly the football scene was.

 

[Messypandas]

I think theres one reason Avengers will beat TDK on B.O

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kIienFpPzk

KIDS are going to lap this stuff up. It'll definitely do over a billion

 

[cutmeamango]

Fuck the stealth troll, right?

Iron Man 2 made 620 millions worldwide.
Thor made 445 millions.
Captain America 370 millions.
Hulk 260 millions.

If you add it all up that's 1.6 billion.
Add Hawkeye, Nick Fury and Black Widow, and you have a little more than 2 billions.

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As for Batman:

The Dark Knight made 1 billion worldwide.
Batman and Robin (had Bane) made 230 millions.
Batman Returns (Catwoman) made 260 millions.
Inception (same cast) made 825 millions.

That's 2.3 billions!!!

They'll be pretty close, but will pass Avatar.

 

[TheKaeptain]

He's not Joker. You can talk to most people on the street and they know who Joker is. You could have talked to them on the street before the Keaton film and they would have known who the Joker was.

You ask most people who Bane is and they are going to look at you funny. Some may remember a news story about him breaking Batman's back.

Everything you mentioned above exists in a certain geek bubble. I hate saying that, but it's true. Joker has mass market appeal while Bane doesn't. Nolan hasn't done much to sell him to audiences yet either.

Like someone above mentioned, that's why the film has Catwoman. She's another marketable character.

You're underestimating Bane. He's known as the character THAT BROKE THE BAT. He may not be Joker but people know who he is. He's been in every series related to Batman since the 90's. People know him. His' probably in the Top 5 of Batman villians.

Joker
Catwoman
The Riddler
Two-Face
Bane

Mainstreamers don't even seem to like him. He's hardly a draw. The most recognizable character for mainstream audiences on the Avengers character is Hulk. Marvel has done a great job of pushing Iron Man over the years but he's still second.

I would say Iron Man is known because of the man playing him though. The Hulk has a long history of being in the eye of the public.

 

[The Elite]

Dark Knight Rises will be the better movie obviously unless you are a fan of Marvel stuff and box office is not even a question. I'm sure they are aiming for somewhere between 1-1.5 billion dollars.

Obviously?

 

[Sho_Nuff82]

Mainstreamers don't even seem to like him. He's hardly a draw. The most recognizable character for mainstream audiences on the Avengers character is Hulk. Marvel has done a great job of pushing Iron Man over the years but he's still second.


We've only had the one. The Bane shit was terrible but I thought the set piece (plane scene) was fantastic. Gives me faith in Nolan's ability to direct an action sequence this time around.

But Iron Man 2 outgrossed The Incredible Hulk 2.5:1. Based on the shit sales of comic books and comic book games (aside from the team-up games like Marvel Ultimate Alliance and Marvel vs), you could easily use the box office gross to point out that Iron Man >>>> Hulk in popularity.

Obviously?

Obviously.

And geek bubble? Arkham City sold nearly 5 million copies in a week.

 

[apana]

I think the lack of a remotely compelling villain may hurt it's box office. I'm not sure how many people are actually going for Bale's Batman. I thought he was the most disappointing part of TDK. If he was surrounded by compelling characters the film would have been a train wreck.

I expect Nolan to deliver a great story but I think the lack of a "perfect storm" media blitz will hurt its chances of reaching $1 billion again.

Then again, Nolan fans are a dedicated bunch. They go see a Nolan flick 2-3 times so I could be wrong.

I'm still saying $800 - $900 mil. It won't do more than TDK like some are speculating.

Even Inception did 800 million and this is Batman we are talking about. I think at least a billion is realistic.

 

[The Elite]

You're underestimating Bane. He's known as the character THAT BROKE THE BAT. He may not be Joker but people know who he is. He's been in every series related to Batman since the 90's. People know him. His' probably in the Top 5 of Batman villians.

Joker
Catwoman
The Riddler
Ice Man
Bane



I would say Iron Man is known because of the man playing him though. The Hulk has a long history of being in the eye of the public.

I wholeheartedly disagree that he's in the top five Batman villains and I don't think he's all that known in mainstream circles.

Joker
Catwoman
Riddler
Penguin
Scarecrew
Mr. Freeze
Two Face

And then maybe Bane.

Hulk has more mainstream popularity than Iron Man. You guys forget which one had a long running, yet campy, TV series and several TV movies. The box office for Incredible Hulk was hurt due to poor word of mouth and that boring film from a few years earlier.

With that said, I think they've done a great job of positioning Iron Man as one of the premiere heroes in comics. A lot of that has to do with RDJ.

 

[TheKaeptain]

I wholeheartedly disagree that he's in the top five Batman villains and I don't think he's all that known in mainstream circles.

Joker
Catwoman
Riddler
Penguin
Scarecrew
Mr. Freeze
Two Face

And then maybe Bane.

I changed it. Took out Freeze because I forgot about Two-Face.

 

[Anth0ny]

Dark Knight Rises will come out on top. It's more hyped than Avengers.

Probably won't reach Dark Knight numbers, though.

I think Spiderman will probably come out on top of Avengers too. Batman and Spiderman are way bigger names than Avengers.

 

[richiek]

You're underestimating Bane. He's known as the character THAT BROKE THE BAT. He may not be Joker but people know who he is. He's been in every series related to Batman since the 90's. People know him. His' probably in the Top 5 of Batman villians.

You're mistaking the general public for comic book nerds. Most people don't know about a character who crippled Batman almost 20 years ago.

 

[Messypandas]

You're underestimating Bane. He's known as the character THAT BROKE THE BAT. He may not be Joker but people know who he is. He's been in every series related to Batman since the 90's. People know him. His' probably in the Top 5 of Batman villians.

Joker
Catwoman
The Riddler
Two-Face
Bane

Bullshit. Ask your mother who Bane is. Most of the known characters come form the 60's live action TV show, Two-Face is an execption. Top 5 looks like this

Joker
Catwoman
Penguin
Riddler
Egghead (lol) Two-Face

 

[RBelong2Us]

Iron Man 2 made 620 millions worldwide.
Thor made 445 millions.
Captain America 370 millions.
Hulk 260 millions.

If you add it all up that's 1.6 billion.
Add Hawkeye, Nick Fury and Black Widow, and you have a little more than 2 billions.

.

Is this a joke post or something? You cant just add it all up. More than likely, the same exact people who would go see Thor saw Captain America and so on.

 

[06nbarnhill]

You're underestimating Bane. He's known as the character THAT BROKE THE BAT. He may not be Joker but people know who he is. He's been in every series related to Batman since the 90's. People know him. His' probably in the Top 5 of Batman villians.

Joker
Catwoman
The Riddler
Two-Face
Bane

Maybe to the hardcore Batman fans (you know...5% or so of the audience).

Most of the audience has never even heard of Bane. I had totally forgotten about him until reading this thread. Especially those who grew up with the cartoons would probably barely consider him significant at all.

Just my opinion.

 

[The Elite]

The real question,

Which movie will make more money in merchandise?

Avengers has a lot more merchandise to sell.

 

[Count Dookkake]

It would be awesome if a Batman movie had a pre-credit sequence with King Tut.

I'd also like to see some Clayface.

 

[The Elite]

It would be awesome if a Batman movie had a pre-credit sequence with King Tut.

I'd also like to see some Clayface.

I don't think you will ever see King Tut or Killer Croc in a Nolan Batman film.

Clayface might be doable.

 

[Recon]

Then you haven't been paying close attention. There's been tons of articles on Bane's unintelligible speech as well lots of GAF posters commenting about how silly the football scene was.

The Bane voice was/is an issue, but people will bitch about anything. I have a feeling it will be fine in the movie.The football field scene was only in the trailer that everyone has seen and is out of context. Who knows if the CG is final, but I would guess not. Hardly anything has been seen from this film.

 

[Strike]

Although I will see and probably enjoy both movies, I think it's no contest between the two. It's TDKR's game to lose.

 

[XiaNaphryz]

I think theres one reason Avengers will beat TDK on B.O

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kIienFpPzk

KIDS are going to lap this stuff up. It'll definitely do over a billion

This is the only factor IMO that even gives Avengers a chance to outperform a lot of people's expectations. The cartoon's going to be in full swing into the new season when the movie hits, there's adverts all over the place at Disney parks, merchandise programs will be in full swing.

That said, even with all that I don't think it'll be enough to best TDKR.