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[HylianTom]

Whats everyone think about $50 vs $60 games on Wii U? Will Nintendo charge $60 for their first party offerings, and if not, what kind of position would that put 3rd parties in?

A part of me wants to think that the big N will still charge $50. Unless this has been proven false already.

I think Nintendo will charge $60. If they don't, third parties will whiiiine and whiiine again, saying things like, "as if Nintendo doesn't have enough of an advantage on their machine.."

 

[Apophis2036]

Of course not. But why is this even an issue? You really think that's all the Wii U is going to be used for?

Also, you're putting way to much stock into how the industry works. Every new generation is a complete reset. There is no carry over. Or, at least, not as much as you seem to think.

The Wii U will be a fresh start on its own, and it's up to Nintendo to use it.

Every generation is a reset... ok how many 'dudebro gamers' will be happy to buy a Nintendo home console let alone a Nintendo home console with Wii in the title, a Nintendo home console with Wii in the title that plays all the same third party games their PS360 does, with an untested Online Network, not many is my bet.

Also i will be happy dropping £350 on a Wii U to play Pikmin 3 and then waiting a few months for one or maybe two exclusives (Starfox / F Zero) and then one big exclusive per year for the rest of the generation (Mario, Zelda, Metroid, Mario Kart, Smash Bros) but will everyone who isn't a mad Nintendo fan ?.

If they are going after the 'core gamers' then making sure the hardware was powerful enough for next gen parity was one of the first things they should have done.

A console with 1.5GB's of usable Ram, a barely more powerful than the 360's CPU and a GPU with 600 - 800 gigaFLOPs of grunt will NOT get that job done.

 

[BlackJace]

Whats everyone think about $50 vs $60 games on Wii U? Will Nintendo charge $60 for their first party offerings, and if not, what kind of position would that put 3rd parties in?

A part of me wants to think that the big N will still charge $50. Unless this has been proven false already.

They have to be $60. Premiere Wii games were $40-50. With the "next generation of games", 60 is a lock, and I fear it may even go up if these "games are becoming expensive as shit to develop" gripes are to be believed.

 

[GameplayWhore]

Whats everyone think about $50 vs $60 games on Wii U? Will Nintendo charge $60 for their first party offerings, and if not, what kind of position would that put 3rd parties in?

A part of me wants to think that the big N will still charge $50. Unless this has been proven false already.

Nobody would buy a $60 game. That's virtually unthinkable.

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I wouldn't, and I weep when I think that people decided the hike in price was worth it to cover for the general flatlining of quality this gen.

Might be a good idea to create accounts already. I'm also brushing-up on my Spanish. (Thank goodness I took 4 semesters in college..)

Pero me gustaria hablar ingles en estes foro español. Soy un troll.

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It's been a while; did that make sense?

 

[HylianTom]

Nobody would buy a $60 game. That's virtually unthinkable.

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I wouldn't, and I weep when I think that people decided the hike in price was worth it to cover for the general flatlining of quality

I will.. but I'll just slow down in my Day 1 purchases. I'll also look for more online deals.

Depressing though. The era of the $50 home console game is over. Soon, $50 will pay for a portable game.

 

[AceBandage]

Every generation is a reset... ok how many dudebro gamers will be happy to buy a Nintendo home console let alone a Nintendo home console with Wii in the title, not many is my bet.

Also i will be happy dropping £350 on a Wii U to play Pikmin 3 and then waiting a few months for one or maybe two exclusives (Starfox / F Zero) and then one big exclusive per year for the rest of the generation (Mario, Zelda, Metroid, Mario Kart, Smash Bros) but will everyone who isn't a mad Nintendo fan ?.

If they are going after the 'core gamers' then making sure the hardware was powerful enough for next gen parity was one of the first things they should have done.

A console with 1.5GB's of usable Ram, a barely more powerful than the 360's CPU and a GPU with 600 - 800 gigaFLOPs of grunt will NOT get that job done.

If it's the place to get the best experiences of games like CoD and GTA, then a lot. It's all up to how Nintendo handles themselves. Simply saying "Oh, it's Nintendo" is a dangerous gamble, one that third parties lost this generation.

And again, why are you assuming that we'll be waiting months for games? Do you really think that the Wii U will just be for Nintendo games and them alone? That all it'll get is third rate ports? If so, then this conversation can end now, because you obviously haven't been paying attention to the last year.

And you have no idea what will "get the job done" here, but I can tell you, what you're describing is a lot more than you give it credit for.

 

[LOCK]

If we could all combine our brain power in this thread, we could develop the singularity.

But we talk in circles instead, we need new news.

 

[jacksrb]

I know that I am a day late - but I think that Bioshock Infinite being delayed and not showing at E3 could really benefit the public's perception of the Wii U's third party support.

I think that it was a shoe-in for multiple GOTY awards, so them missing the year really opens the gates to a lot of games, including Nintendo 1st party efforts.

 

[EatChildren]

I wouldn't mind US$60 games...if the system was region free. Strong AU$ plus weak US$ equals an importers dream.

 

[Anustart]

Nobody would buy a $60 game. That's virtually unthinkable.

Spoiler

I wouldn't, and I weep when I think that people decided the hike in price was worth it to cover for the general flatlining of quality

I'm trying to think if I've bought a $60 game this gen and I'm drawing a blank. Portal 2 was 50 on launch, and thats probably the only game I bought day 1 that wasn't a Wii game.

What disgusts me is that downloading a new game still costs 60, why? You've cut out all packaging and shipping costs yet it is still full price.

 

[BlackJace]

I will.. but I'll just slow down in my Day 1 purchases. I'll also look for more online deals.

Depressing though. The era of the $50 home console game is over. Soon, $50 will pay for a portable game.

Wasnt Uncharted: GA 50 something bucks? I think the era of $50 portables is here

 

[AceBandage]

Wasnt Uncharted: GA 50 something bucks? I think the era of $50 portables is here

I dunno.
They tried $50 on the PSP, too.
Didn't work out too well.

 

[Christberg]

Why is it a lot of people are totally convinced that the Wii U is going to be another Wii power wise next gen? Seems like a bad assumption to me. We have vague, conflicting developer reports, a couple rushed tech demos and a case mockup. The way I figure it that's really nowhere near enough data to decide either way what it's packing.

Of course I think keeping expectations low is a good move just so you don't overhype yourself and wind up super disappointed but still...

 

[Apophis2036]

Actually...this might've been a smart decision.

Imagine it. You're starting the next gen, and you know you've got at least a year head start on the competition. You go all out on tech to try to match where the others will be a year from now. After all, you want it to be a nice long generation and to be able to hold your own.

You launch at $500. Adoption is slow at first, but third parties do put their games on your platform because it's easy and they might as well support every platform if they can.

Then next year the competition comes out around $500 also. You drop your price as low as possible without eating massive losses, something like $375. Congrats, you are now the lowest priced next gen machine with a year's head start on library and tech to last.

Exactly what they should have done if they really are serious about getting 'core gamers'.

A console that will more than likely be 30% more powerful at best than PS360 having current gen games that look identical to the 120 million people that can already run those games without buying a new system is destined to fail imo.

And thats without even mentioning next gen third party games.

 

[Anth0ny]

I disagree with where the "kiddie image" started. The Gamecube did what I believe the Wii U should do: it had a slew of "hardcore" games dudebros would be satisfied with AROUND its goldmine of excellent first party games. Smash Bros Melee at one point, then Resident Evil 4? It would've been hard to label the GC "kiddie" when scenarios like that happened.
You can't say the same for the Wii.

That's what Ninty needs to do with the Wii U. At the end of the day, my point reiterates the tired and true expectation of them delivering third-party support, but this is how I think Ninty can "rebuild their image".

"What the fuck is this purple, barney the dinosaur lunchbox? And why does it have a fisher price controller and little shit discs? And you can't even play GTA or Halo on this kiddy crap."

The kiddie image definitely started with the Gamecube. It's going to be tough to shed that image with Wii U, considering how similar it looks to Wii, the ultimate "kiddie" console.

 

[Anustart]

Why is it a lot of people are totally convinced that the Wii U is going to be another Wii power wise next gen? Seems like a bad assumption to me. We have vague, conflicting developer reports, a couple rushed tech demos and a case mockup. The way I figure it that's really nowhere near enough data to decide either way what it's packing.

Of course I think keeping expectations low is a good move just so you don't overhype yourself and wind up super disappointed but still...

Nintendo is known for releasing highly underpowered systems, hell they've done it once in a row so far, that pattern has to hold.

 

[-Pyromaniac-]

Why is it a lot of people are totally convinced that the Wii U is going to be another Wii power wise next gen? Seems like a bad assumption to me. We have vague, conflicting developer reports, a couple rushed tech demos and a case mockup. The way I figure it that's really nowhere near enough data to decide either way what it's packing.

Of course I think keeping expectations low is a good move just so you don't overhype yourself and wind up super disappointed but still...

ehh I actually think most people here know not to expect that. It'll be better. The gap will be there but it wont be insurmountable. Like its been sad, difference between high and low settings.

 

[HylianTom]

If it's the place to get the best experiences of games like CoD and GTA, then a lot. It's all up to how Nintendo handles themselves. Simply saying "Oh, it's Nintendo" is a dangerous gamble, one that third parties lost this generation.

And again, why are you assuming that we'll be waiting months for games? Do you really think that the Wii U will just be for Nintendo games and them alone? That all it'll get is third rate ports? If so, then this conversation can end now, because you obviously haven't been paying attention to the last year.

And you have no idea what will "get the job done" here, but I can tell you, what you're describing is a lot more than you give it credit for.

Looking at what's coming on the release lists (both rumored and confirmed), that's enough games for my first two years of the console - and that's before Nintendo starts bringing out its heavy hitters.

Funny thing.. if there is a difference is development costs (and this is debatable, although Iwata is pushing a not-everything-has-to-be-AAAA philosophy for this ecosystem) and third parties skip out, it'll be interesting to see how they fare financially.. >

 

[GameplayWhore]

Why is it a lot of people are totally convinced that the Wii U is going to be another Wii power wise next gen? Seems like a bad assumption to me. We have vague, conflicting developer reports, a couple rushed tech demos and a case mockup. The way I figure it that's really nowhere near enough data to decide either way what it's packing.

Of course I think keeping expectations low is a good move just so you don't overhype yourself and wind up super disappointed but still...

Nintendo's image problem is massive in this particular department. It's not just the Wii. There are a shitton of people who heard the PS2's quote of raw polygon rate vs Gamecube's fully textured polygod rate and to this day are entirely certain that the Gamecube was (not counting that Sega thing they don't care about) the slowest console of that gen.

 

[goomba]

"What the fuck is this purple, barney the dinosaur lunchbox? And why does it have a fisher price controller and little shit discs? And you can't even play GTA or Halo on this kiddy crap."

The kiddie image definitely started with the Gamecube. It's going to be tough to shed that image with Wii U, considering how similar it looks to Wii, the ultimate "kiddie" console.

 

[NateDrake]

I dunno.
They tried $50 on the PSP, too.
Didn't work out too well.

I still hope 3DS games go to $35 as the highest price soon. Much more appealing than $40.

 

[GameplayWhore]

Looking at what's coming on the release lists (both rumored and confirmed), that's enough games for my first two years of the console - and that's before Nintendo starts bringing out its heavy hitters.

Funny thing.. if there is a difference is development costs (and this is debatable, although Iwata is pushing a not-everything-has-to-be-AAAA philosophy for this ecosystem) and third parties skip out, it'll be interesting to see how they fare financially.. >

Once Crytek UK pipes up about their development plans, I will know if I'm set for the first two years.

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With great sadness, I suspect not

edit: Also, the Super Nintendo is where Nintendo's kiddy reputation started, first beginning with how Sonic was edgier and for older kids, then going into how fighting games had the blood whited-out (to look like sweat) on popular fighting games.

 

[Hiltz]

Whats everyone think about $50 vs $60 games on Wii U? Will Nintendo charge $60 for their first party offerings, and if not, what kind of position would that put 3rd parties in?

A part of me wants to think that the big N will still charge $50. Unless this has been proven false already.

We're going to have to get used to $60 Wii U games as the standard. While Nintendo has voiced concern at the start of this generation's rising development costs, it's inevitable for Nintendo to have to bite the bullet now that it has entered the HD era - despite being late to the party. Even the 3DS game prices have increased.

 

[bgassassin]

"What the fuck is this purple, barney the dinosaur lunchbox? And why does it have a fisher price controller and little shit discs? And you can't even play GTA or Halo on this kiddy crap."

The kiddie image definitely started with the Gamecube. It's going to be tough to shed that image with Wii U, considering how similar it looks to Wii, the ultimate "kiddie" console.

Nah, it started way sooner than GC. GC was the epitome of that image.

 

[Dorfdad]

this doesnt excatly scream hardcore gaming either..

I don't mind them making the consoles cute for kids as well, but fuck Nintendo please make the system a good chunk better than 360 in terms of graphics and physics. It's about time we had a system that could play more hardcore games and allow us to play Mario as well.. Why not???

 

[ViewtifulJC]

And you saw how that worked out for Sega

 

[Apophis2036]

If it's the place to get the best experiences of games like CoD and GTA, then a lot. It's all up to how Nintendo handles themselves. Simply saying "Oh, it's Nintendo" is a dangerous gamble, one that third parties lost this generation.

And again, why are you assuming that we'll be waiting months for games? Do you really think that the Wii U will just be for Nintendo games and them alone? That all it'll get is third rate ports? If so, then this conversation can end now, because you obviously haven't been paying attention to the last year.

And you have no idea what will "get the job done" here, but I can tell you, what you're describing is a lot more than you give it credit for.

Your not going to get the 'best experience' on Wii U for third party games tho are you, the tablet controller will put a LOT of core gamers off, the games wont look any better and if they are online games then people will not be able to play with friends who dont buy a Wii U and even if they do your dealing with a company who are largely inexperienced with online gaming and Networks so im sure there will be a few teething problems.

Why am i guessing i will be waiting months, infact change that to years for big exclusive games ?, because thats what always happens on Nintendo consoles and as a massive Nintendo fan i have learned to put up with it.

You really think were going to get Metroid Prime 4, Mario Galaxy 3 / Universe, Smash Bros and Zelda in the first year or even 18 months ?, if you are then be prepared to be very disappointed.

When i say 'get the job done' im talking about a console that will be half as powerful as the next PS and Xbox which will in turn lead to shoddy at best next gen third party versions of games, if they even get them at all.

No Crysis 3, Resi 6 and GTA 5 will be the first blows and they are current gen third party games ...

 

[HylianTom]

If gamers collectively make their decisions based on whether they like purple and other colors, etc, I.. just.. wow. Over a decade later, it still blows my mind. Such children.

If their pushing leads to bad consequences (weighing my words carefully here), it becomes very hard to weep for them.

Wow.

 

[Anustart]

They'll go $60 for their big titles. No question.
However, I'm hoping they (and all companies) will adopt a much more loose pricing model. Especially if DLC keeps rising.

Anyone have speculation as to why a looser pricing model isn't already in place? Does it solely have to do with a cheaper game being viewed as inferior?

 

[Anth0ny]

N64 was the equivalent of 360 for its time. Heavy focus on multiplayer, and home to the most popular shooting games at the time. No matter how kiddy Nintendo got with that console, it was always going to have a "hardcore" image thanks to Goldeneye and Perfect Dark. Same way 360 is going down a

Spoiler

casual as fuck

dark path right now, but is still viewed as the dudebro console of choice thanks to Xbox Live, Halo and COD.

 

[AGITΩ]

Whats everyone think about $50 vs $60 games on Wii U? Will Nintendo charge $60 for their first party offerings, and if not, what kind of position would that put 3rd parties in?

A part of me wants to think that the big N will still charge $50. Unless this has been proven false already.

I really hope Nintendo sticks to their $50 Price tag, at least for their First Party offerings. Nintendo's titles are evergreen, they keep a steady flow of sales long term, and its partially due to the fact that they stay at a New Release price tag and rarely go on sale. So most customers ditch trying to bargain hunt and just go for it.

 

[HylianTom]

Anyone have speculation as to why a looser pricing model isn't already in place? Does it solely have to do with a cheaper game being viewed as inferior?

They do, to some extent, already have a looser pricing model. Take Rhythm Heaven Fever, for example: $30, brand new, Day 1. I appreciate that they demonstrate a knowledge of what's appropriate for different kinds of games.

 

[Lenardo]

the wiiu being able to run unreal4 would be huge in my opinion.

think about it all the largest games atm are....Multiplatform ps360, and right now the wii MIGHT get a B team to port it over(granted they the COD wii team does a decent job) or it flat out does not come to the wii.

IF the WiiU can do - with essentially a "save to wiiu format" click, all the major middleware (crysis3/unreal3/4 etc)they will get all the 3rd party multiplatform releases. and all the first party nintendo releases= no need to go multiconsole- now if the online is done right...

 

[HylianTom]

N64 was the equivalent of 360 for its time. Heavy focus on multiplayer, and home to the most popular shooting games at the time. No matter how kiddy Nintendo got with that console, it was always going to have a "hardcore" image thanks to Goldeneye and Perfect Dark. Same way 360 is going down a

Spoiler

casual as fuck

dark path right now, but is still viewed as the dudebro console of choice thanks to Xbox Live, Halo and COD.

My big question is this: will Microsoft have a dudebro set with the 720, or will they continue down this lovely Kinectimals-flavored path?

I'd love to see just how much their dudebro audience would tolerate.

Maybe Nintendo could have a console shell with a big-ass Mountain Dew label on the side? That could appeal, right?

 

[Anustart]

Maybe Nintendo could have a console shell with a big-ass Mountain Dew label on the side? That could appeal, right?

Nah, it needs a spoiler and walmart fart can exhaust.

 

[GameplayWhore]

message to us on post 921

 

[Apophis2036]

the wiiu being able to run unreal4 would be huge in my opinion.

think about it all the largest games atm are....Multiplatform ps360, and right now the wii MIGHT get a B team to port it over(granted they the COD wii team does a decent job) or it flat out does not come to the wii.

IF the WiiU can do - with essentially a "save to wiiu format" click, all the major middleware (crysis3/unreal3/4 etc)they will get all the 3rd party multiplatform releases. and all the first party nintendo releases= no need to go multiconsole- now if the online is done right...

Im sure Wii U will get it's fair share of UE4 multi platform games but why would the average 'core gamer' want to play them on it with a gimmick tablet pad when they can have it running in full HD with all the bells and whistles on PS4 / 720, play with a controller they are used to and keep their profile which contains all of their friends and Achievements / Trophies.

Who ever invented Achievements is due a LOT of money as it will be the main reason people pick what console to get next gen imo.

 

[AGITΩ]

My big question is this: will Microsoft have a dudebro set with the 720, or will they continue down this lovely Kinectimals-flavored path?

I'd love to see just how much their dudebro audience would tolerate.

Maybe Nintendo could have a console shell with a big-ass Mountain Dew label on the side? That could appeal, right?

The Wii Dew? It might give it a shot of having games that compete for the illustrious "Best Game Fueled by Dew" Category on the VGA's.

 

[bgassassin]

message to us on post 921

For a moment I thought you typed that wrong and meant 917.

 

[RedSwirl]

Your not going to get the 'best experience' on Wii U for third party games tho are you, the tablet controller will put a LOT of core gamers off, the games wont look any better and if they are online games then people will not be able to play with friends who dont buy a Wii U and even if they do your dealing with a company who are largely inexperienced with online gaming and Networks so im sure there will be a few teething problems.

Why am i guessing i will be waiting months, infact change that to years for big exclusive games ?, because thats what always happens on Nintendo consoles and as a massive Nintendo fan i have learned to put up with it.

You really think were going to get Metroid Prime 4, Mario Galaxy 3 / Universe, Smash Bros and Zelda in the first year or even 18 months ?, if you are then be prepared to be very disappointed.

When i say 'get the job done' im talking about a console that will be half as powerful as the next PS and Xbox which will in turn lead to shoddy at best next gen third party versions of games, if they even get them at all.

No Crysis 3, Resi 6 and GTA 5 will be the first blows and they are current gen third party games ...

This is exactly the status quo that Nintendo has been trying to end. The reason Wii sales fell off was because of a lack of game releases due to the fact that Nintendo simply can't prop up an entire platform on their own. If this satus quo continues with the Wii U, Nintendo will have failed.

 

[HylianTom]

Nah, it needs a spoiler and walmart fart can exhaust.

Man, what an image!

And maybe the base console case could be an ammunition case?

(I adore your avatar, BTW. That woman is a goddess of comedy!)

 

[Christberg]

Nintendo is known for releasing highly underpowered systems, hell they've done it once in a row so far, that pattern has to hold.

I don't think the 3DS is underpowered at all, given the price gap between it and Vita so for me it's not even "in a row" anymore. It's 1 outlier.

 

[ViewtifulJC]

I suddenly feel the need to break out a TMNT avatar. I see Ralph and Donny already taken, but Leo was always the coolest anyway

 

[Lyude77]

I agree with you 100%.

I really don't know why Nintendo are even bothering going after the 'core' market again, the last time they did the console sold 21 million units and they were abandoned by the third parties yet again.

The big games for these 'core' gamers are Call of Duty, Madden, Fifa, WWE, Assassin's Creed ect which they can already play on their PS3 or 360.

Sure it will be nice for guys that only own a Wii to be able to play these games when Wii U launches (how many gamers actually only own a Wii ?) but do Nintendo really expect people who do own one of those consoles to buy the Wii U version when they can add to their Acheivement / Trophy haul and play the MP with their friends who will most likely laugh at them when they tell them they have bought a Wii U and have statements like 'should of waited for the PS4 / 720 dudebro !!!' thrown at them.

Those 'core' gamers are tied to their consoles through their profiles which include all their friends and Achievements / Trophies.

The Wii U should have been out for last Xmas imho, that would have given it two whole years of a start on the PS4 / 720 and the exclusive games would have looked even more impresive.

I tell you what, unless Nintendo have something truly earth shattering to announce software wise at E3, i could see the Wii U struggling just as bad as the 3DS at launch.

A proper 3D Mario game along with Metroid and Starfox would have been much more of a draw.

Yet another NSMB and a sequel to one of Nintendo least know franchises will just not cut it imo.

A lot of 360 only gamers have bought Kinect for their casual / family / kid fix and upgraded to PS3 for a Blu Ray player and the Sony exclusives they missed.

A Tablet pad and those two first party games will NOT convince the 'core' gamer to part with $300 at the least for a Wii U console and Pikmin 3, esp when MS announces the 720 in Jan and Sony announce PS4 at next years E3 (which if rumoures are to be believed PS4/720 will be at least twice as powerful as Wii U).

When will they learn that the 'core' will never take anything with Nintendo nevermind Wii stamped on it seriously.

They should have stuck to what made the Wii successful, use the gimmick (tablet pad), lots of casual / family / kids games and give us 9 or 10 of their more core exclusive first party IP's just like the Wii, just like the NES, just like the SNES and just like the N64.

By E3 2013 i doubt Wii U will have sold 10 million consoles, we will all have completed Pikmin 3 and will be waiting years for a proper Mario, Metroid, Zelda... as a huge Nintendo fan that saddens me.

Everyone else talked about the other points in this paragraph, so I'll rant about an ignored one.

(On the bold) I have seen this thought several times, and honestly, it irritates me. Has no one noticed that NSMB is basically as popular as Mario Kart? People who say Nintendo desperately needs Mario Kart to sell Wii U at launch because it is the most popular game Nintendo has are missing the NSMB right in front of them. 20+ million sellers are 20+ million sellers for a reason, and if a bland 2D Mario like NSMB DS can make it, I think NSMB Mii can make it with presumably better stages, more fun, and better ideas (just like NSMB Wii did). Just because some people (everyone?) don't like the art style, they act like NSMB is irrelevant. I, and I know there are others, buy Nintendo consoles for 2D Mario, even NSMB, and I hope Nintendo realizes this fact.

That said, I still want to see a new art style.

 

[-Pyromaniac-]

I don't think the 3DS is underpowered at all, given the price gap between it and Vita so for me it's not even "in a row" anymore. It's 1 outlier.

I think he was making a sarcastic joke

 

[Gahiggidy]

I am about 90% certain we will see only X360 level graphics from Wii U at E3, including Nintendo first party games. It is what I fully expect at this time.

I will leave the country if Wii U is not better than Xbox 360.

 

[Apophis2036]

This is exactly the status quo that Nintendo has been trying to end. The reason Wii sales fell off was because of a lack of game releases due to the fact that Nintendo simply can't prop up an entire platform on their own. If this satus quo continues with the Wii U, Nintendo will have failed.

If they are to change (which i don't want them to) then one of two things would happen.

1) We would end up with a Halo type of situation for first party games, for instance by the end of 2012, 6 Halo games will have been released for the 360, in ONE generation.

2) They hire a lot more staff to make all of these sequels or other first party IP's and the quality of their games drops by a large margin.

My past few posts sound like im down on Wii U, i can assure you i am not in the slightest and i can't wait not only for E3 but for the consoles launch.

I am more putting forward the point that Nintendo should not bank on getting core gamers to buy Wii U just because Arkham City, Assassin's Creed 3 and Darksiders 2 will be available for it.

If they were serious then the Wii U would be twice as powerful as it will turn out to be, have classic core controls with gimmick controls as an option and at least one major third party IP should have been bought as an exclusive.

For me i will be happy with first party Wii U games looking like the Zelda tech demo, i just feel sorry for people that will only have Wii U for the whole of next gen as they will at first get poor versions of third party games and then none at all, just like Wii.

I hope im wrong.

 

[Anustart]

I will leave the country if Wii U is not better than Xbox 360.

I'm with you buddy, but only if you pack up that sweet gaming set up of yours and bring it with ya.

 

[AceBandage]

I will leave the country if Wii U is not better than Xbox 360.

Hey, at least it's a step up from his previous "Worse than 360" comments.
Maybe by E3 he'll finally step it to above par!

 

[HylianTom]

My main hope for Nintendo's first-party output is that it's spaced-out a bit better this time around. I mean, I understand that many of them are evergreen and sell well and that more time on the shelf=more sales for Nintendo, but spacing them out would've gone a longer way towards killing complaints about dry periods of game releases.

Another part of this wish? Kick-up the output a notch or two. Revive old IPs, don't allow so many to stay dormant, create a few new ones.. if Nintendo is able to expand development notably, they become less and less dependant on third parties. I'm the eternal pessimist on third parties' decision-making processes, but I'm optimistic that Nintendo can counteract this long-term trend with their own internal measures. It may well be their future.. their destiny!