ViewtifulJC
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I'm pretty sure you must have forgot
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I'm pretty sure you must have forgot
You obviously missed the GameCube 12 million polygons per second debacle (not to mention similar stupid arguments going back every generation).
Refreshment.01
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Not necessarily. Keeping the same type of budgets we have in this cycle, there's a lot of stuff more capable hardware will allow to greatly improve the visuals. Budget excuse is not always applicable.
Since Atari, Coleco days? Amiga, Spectrum? Genesis, SNES? The "hardware obsession" is far from a new trend in the world of videogames.
What's this talk about fixed function shaders? Has there been anything actually hinting at that and does AMD even have any such tech? I know Nintendo likes stable, predictable results and it made a lot of sense for the 3DS and even more so for the gamecube but would it really have any beneficial value in a 2012 home console?
Wasn't on GAF then. Didn't really check gaming media that much either. That must've been why I was so oblivious. I was in heaven with the games.
And all it costs you is being an annoying downer for the next three weeks!
You're not keeping your expectations in check; you're just being pessimistic. You're expecting to be disappointed, not trying to avoid disappointment. As a result, if it doesn't blow you away, you're going to be disappointed.
Probably.
That's my impression, and why I don't stress too much over it.
Father_Brain
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See, this is how you moderate expectations. The glass is half full, not half empty.
actually i m curios to know what you didn't see?here whatever we are discussing for past year or so is based on history of Nintendo, Microsoft and Sony which gives us the trend to think. From nintendo history, whatever they show for demos are always lesser than the game itself.. And what we should expect from customized power7 with customized dx10 ~ 11 level gpu with embedded ram and closed system to produce; which type of results??
Refreshment.01
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Excellent fits like a glove. Goes to show how people tend to become trapped in self reality bubbles
It's an ever repeating cycle.Fantastical
Death Prophet
I would be, if I wasn't expecting certain Nintendo games to sear away my retinas with their beauty. This will happen.
Since when is Ideaman not-impressed by the hardware? He didn't give that impression before.
This thread has a tendency to re-write the history, put other words in other people mouth, transform what someone say, etc, it's exhausting.
TheGreatMightyPoo asked me this:
I answered this:
The he answered this:
Then i finally answered this:
Then Gahiggidy said:
Then a few people forgot all this previous conversation with Poo, took this Gahiggidy sentence and conclude that my sources were disappointed by the dev kits, without even checking my messages
Nowhere, i wrote i was disappointed by the hardware, nor my sources. But they aren't impressed either by the latest dev kits. It's not even "meh", it's "ok, it's an increase, but slight". (I'm not specifically answering to you but in general
)thanks
Yeah this one was impressive, when i first opened the browser and went to the thread, i was like "
"time to catch-up
SolidSnakex
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I'm surprised that you managed to avoid system power debates for that long. I think a lot of gamers got a taste of that during the 16 bit days.
The difference is that I have calculated expectations, rather than just setting the bar a step below the lowest it can go.You're one to talk.
And in 2014, my prediction is that it will be much more of a chore for advertisers to find screenshots for such an ad. Will they be able to find such screenshots? Sure, I suppose. But the ad will look silly. And the viewer will have to search/examine the images in detail in order to determine their preference.
GameplayWhore
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Lighting, basically. The logic is that good lighting is good lighting and every game needs it, so if you can design a unit to perform common lighting functions efficiently, then you can get more real-world performance out of your transistors at the expense of theoretical performance. That said, if such functionality does exist (and bgassassin is fairly confident that it does, so I'll trust him on it), we still have almost no idea how it's actually implemented.
I wasn't on GAF at the time, but comparing bullshit polygon counts was basically an Internet pass-time back in those days, like a precursor to the bullshit XBox360 multipliers of today.
Because of Nintendo's own GPU team based on the old ArtX employees, they definitely had a hand in the kit, and because Sony and Microsoft went to AMD and asked for a GPU, they don't have a team like that at AMD, so I figure that it would be pretty weird for them to do something like this... But for Nintendo it makes sense... Also it could probably help with Wii Backwards compatibility, just thinking back to Zelda OOT and Majora's Mask here, but if they had bugs in every game like the versions for Gamecube, it would be a pretty big headache.
Any talk of 2x or 3x anything is useless without context. How do you gauge something is 3x better looking?
Keeping budgets under control will be a big focus next gen so there's likely to be a big focus on optimizing tools and pipelines to improve efficiency. I can see much of the improvements with UE4 surrounding their tools being one of the major focal points.
The importance of polygons has taken a back seat since the introduction of normal mapping which can create the illusion of high poly models wrapped around a lower poly mesh. This isn't to say that polygon counts haven't improved and won't improve next gen though.
Next gen will be about having more effects, at higher precision, rendered more efficiently.
jump_button
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I don't amaze you?
Wait... That must mean I'm on the right track! All of you who called me stupid can suck it! :lol
note: nobody called me stupid
I don't amaze you?
Wait... That must mean I'm on the right track! All of you who called me stupid can suck it! :lol
note: nobody called me stupid
hey burntpork..l m smelling smoke
I agree with what you are saying... "Looking" is completely subjective, and opinionated... but I base it on the guestimated measurements purely of the GFLOPs available from those cards... For instance, if the 360 can produce 240GFLOPs, than I am expecting the Wii U's GPU to produce about 720GFLOPs (this is just a guess based on talks with BG, that may or may not of included long walks on the beach
And if that is the case with Wii U, and we know that PS4 set out for 1800GFLOPs, and Xbox3 to have 2100GFLOPs... well, that leaves them somewhere around ~3X greater than Wii U.A stop gap is what I'm expecting the Wii U to look like, and I'm fine with that, just give me amazing Asymmetric Gameplay, a Wiimote+ in the box, a handheld that allows me to take my Wii U games to my bed, and games that look better than Uncharted 3 with some Tessellation and better lighting... I mean I'm always buying the console from the house that Mario built, and I own a PC that will produce graphics not only better than Wii U, but better than PS4/XB3, so what do I care if the Wii U's graphics will be outdated, that isn't the reason PC gamers buy consoles.
It also mentions 2013 Japan release, which we know isn't true, as we have holiday 2012 confirmation.
I like this.
Shadow Hog
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And 10% of participants involved told us "Get off my lawn!" Yes, you heard it here first, folks. "Get off my lawn!" is more popular than Atari.
This collection of WUS threads is one of the greatest, most interesting social experiments in the history of the Internet.
GameplayWhore
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I agree with what you are saying... "Looking" is completely subjective, and opinionated... but I base it on the guestimated measurements purely of the GFLOPs available from those cards... For instance, if the 360 can produce 240GFLOPs, than I am expecting the Wii U's GPU to produce about 720GFLOPs (this is just a guess based on talks with BG, that may or may not of included long walks on the beach
It is reasonable to assume that the PS4 and Xb³ can reach those goals without taking substantial losses per console and without going higher in price than, say, what the Xbox 360 started at? I would think that they'd be a big gun shy on repeating that facet of the last generation, given how much the former is still in the red and how long it took the latter to get out of it.
That's for the cloud, not.the console.
GameplayWhore
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compar...g_units#Southern_Islands_.28HD_7xxx.29_series
Depends on what you consider "lower power consumption".
In the "Southern Islands" (that's the "GCN" that people have been talking about here and there), just under 1.8 GFLOPS has a max TDP of 130W. 2.1 GFLOPS would probably take around 150W. This line has been out for months, so in a year, maybe they'll eke the power draw down a bit.
edit: They can take away features to slim it down as well, mind.
Nintendo is a bit iffy when "after the fact" features are involved. I worry that they'll make minimal use of cloud storage if it's introduced many months after the console itself comes out.
I find it hard to believe, but it's the target specs that have been thrown around in here for a while... I firmly think from a logical business side, they should not try to push that high and instead keep the prices down, but I guess they are afraid of Nintendo being relevant to the core gamer, that they have to focus on power, but history will tell you that PS2 beat the Xbox with a much bigger difference than just performance (it's GPU features simply couldn't match what was in the Xbox)
So we will see how things work out, but I am going to let the "facts" be "facts" and just calculate it all in, if those consoles don't have that sort of power, and choose to compete with games, well then... There might be hope for the future of Playstation and Xbox yet.
Fair enough, I do feel od looking at that ad. I mean, it was a chunk of my early childhood. And who didn't like George Plimpton back then?
And I just realized: I was in the Atari camp. So apparently I started early in life with the whole "being able to enjoy weaker hardware so long as the games kept comin' " thing. Funny, that..
jump_button
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Nintendo patent shows slight redesign of 3DS Circle Pad?
3DS lite Hype! and could be change for Wii U if they are for 3DS
3DS lite Hype! and could be change for Wii U if they are for 3DS
GameplayWhore
Member
"an operating knob"?
They're not saying that you can rotate it in addition to sliding it, are they?
edit: Slightly more on topic, it has in the past struck me that the Wii U slidey things do look more like knobs, being upraised and all. I'm looking forward to an etch-a-sketch app with proper controls, Nintendo!
GameplayWhore
Member
Didn't Microsoft have to pay something like fifty million dollars for exclusivity on some useless GTA IV DD add-on? I shudder to think how much they'd demand to have their game absent on consoles with a combined >120 million user base already prepped for the title via a prequel release during a holiday season. I don't think Nintendo can foot a quarter billion dollars or more for bragging rights.
If you insist.
"Hey, Nintendo! You guys had better give me that patent or there'll be trouble!" *shakes fist*
Agent Unknown
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Been busy getting exercise by talking lots of walks in the beautiful summer weather (yeah, crazy huh?), playing EarthBound and arguing with people about Other M (anagram for Mother...coincidence?!) so have I missed anything since the Cloud rumour?
lol Patent language is always awkward but this one is especially funny.
lol Patent language is always awkward but this one is especially funny.
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