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When did this obssession with hardware begin? This gen?
I'm pretty sure no one gave a Damn about the specs of something last gen.
I'm pretty sure you must have forgot
When did this obssession with hardware begin? This gen?
I'm pretty sure no one gave a Damn about the specs of something last gen.
I'm pretty sure you must have forgot
When did this obssession with hardware begin? This gen?
I'm pretty sure no one gave a Damn about the specs of something last gen.
Not necessarily. Keeping the same type of budgets we have in this cycle, there's a lot of stuff more capable hardware will allow to greatly improve the visuals. Budget excuse is not always applicable.Yeah well I expect the PS4/XB3 to look 2X to 3X betters but what exactly does that look like? When does budgets get high enough to not look any better... Think of MS, they announced an AAAA title is in the works, I am fairly sure this is for XB3, and you know what will be AAAA about the title? The budget.
Since Atari, Coleco days? Amiga, Spectrum? Genesis, SNES? The "hardware obsession" is far from a new trend in the world of videogames.When did this obssession with hardware begin? This gen?
I'm pretty sure no one gave a Damn about the specs of something last gen.
You obviously missed the GameCube 12 million polygons per second debacle (not to mention similar stupid arguments going back every generation).
And all it costs you is being an annoying downer for the next three weeks!I'm trying to keep my expectations in check, if the system is a lot more powerful than what I and other devs are letting on, then that makes me a happy camper.
I'd just like to go ahead and suggest that E3 will come and go and we will still all basically know nothing. No clue about the firmware, no real idea about overarching things like the Nintendo Network, games shown that don't give any clear idea about system power, etc. We will see the final form factor, if it even changes at all, some video/demos of some new games and how they use certain system features, and that will be it.
It wouldn't be Nintendo any other way.
That's my impression, and why I don't stress too much over it.Yeah, I'm open to being wrong and maybe the first UE4 footage will have me eating crow, but I don't expect any next-gen console title to look like a full generational leap over the best of current-gen. If even Samaritan doesn't, to my eyes...
Since Atari, Coleco days? Amiga, Spectrum? Genesis, SNES? The "hardware obsession" is far from a new trend in the world of videogames.
See, this is how you moderate expectations. The glass is half full, not half empty.Lets be realistic here though. The Wii U comes out before the end of 2012, likely before the holidays. You have at LEAST a year to not feel bad because other consoles aren't even out yet. Then when they do come out which will be before the holidays of 2013 most likely, a lot of games won't look MUCH better, so I'd say you have almost 2 years before this system becomes outdated. But 2 years into the lifecycle is when we'll start getting Zelda and Metroid and shit so by then you won't care.
Fin.
IMO the API the core architecture was originally designed from is somewhat pointless since these GPUs can be tweaked and altered in various ways with each component reaching a certain level of performance or efficiency.
I'm curious, what was it at E3 that leads you to believe you'll be playing games with that level of fidelity?
Edit:
You're setting yourself up for disappointment.
Excellent fits like a glove. Goes to show how people tend to become trapped in self reality bubbles It's an ever repeating cycle.
See, this is how you moderate expectations. The glass is half full, not half empty.
And all it costs you is being an annoying downer for the next three weeks!
You're not keeping your expectations in check; you're just being pessimistic. You're expecting to be disappointed, not trying to avoid disappointment. As a result, if it doesn't blow you away, you're going to be disappointed.
Since when is Ideaman not-impressed by the hardware? He didn't give that impression before.
IdeaMan, in general, how have developers who you have had contact with or have heard about felt about the kits they have right now???
Really happy???
Satisfied???
Disappointed???
You probably haven't asked them such a question.
For the very latest dev kits ?
The increase is slight as i said. And a new tidbit: it appears that even if there was a delay of 1 month+ in their delivery, the improvement is still slight, and comparable to the one related in february on those threads. In other words, my sources didn't witnessed such a boost that their projects gained 20 fps, it's less than 10.
Now, as explained before, even mere 5 additional frame per seconds between two GPU doesn't exclude the possibility that one has more features, is more modern, more efficient, etc. So maybe this tiny enhancement hide more important final & late changes in regard to the components.
Nah, I just meant their overall impression of the hardware.
If this is the final stage of it, I would think they would have a general take on what they are working with whether very positive, positive or disappointed.
hardware capabilities wise, not impressed i must confess, but not disappointed either.
the very comforting point is their enthusiasm about the asymmetrical setting of the system, the new gameplay possibilities allowed by the control schemes, the additional screen, etc. A real toy, a creative framework for them, a space to explore new gamedesigns, etc.
Let's hope this interest, this curiosity, their apparent intent to take advantage of all these new features, will come to fruition as real & fun games available at launch.
Ideaman, he said that the developers he knows working with the wii u kits were "not impressed" with them.
No no no.. in this case, I think he's speaking of his sources' "not impressed, not depressed" feelings on the hardware - not his own feelings.
Once again, Nintendo GAF takes innocent comments and completely blows the negative side completely out of proportion...
Wasn't on GAF then. Didn't really check gaming media that much either. That must've been why I was so oblivious. I was in heaven with the games.
The difference is that I have calculated expectations, rather than just setting the bar a step below the lowest it can go.You're one to talk.
And in 2014, my prediction is that it will be much more of a chore for advertisers to find screenshots for such an ad. Will they be able to find such screenshots? Sure, I suppose. But the ad will look silly. And the viewer will have to search/examine the images in detail in order to determine their preference.
When did this obssession with hardware begin? This gen?
I'm pretty sure no one gave a Damn about the specs of something last gen.
What's this talk about fixed function shaders? Has there been anything actually hinting at that and does AMD even have any such tech? I know Nintendo likes stable, predictable results and it made a lot of sense for the 3DS and even more so for the gamecube but would it really have any beneficial value in a 2012 home console?
Wasn't on GAF then. Didn't really check gaming media that much either. That must've been why I was so oblivious. I was in heaven with the games.
Nintendo will be adding a Wii U cloud storage feature for the new console sometime in 2013, according to a source. Following the trend of cloud storage, Nintendo is said to be working on a cloud storage solution for the Wii U via the new Nintendo Network. The new cloud storage option would give 512 MB of online storage to each gamer, tied to his Nintendo Network profile. The cloud storage system is said to be exclusively for save games and player profile data.
The Wii U cloud is currently in development but will launch sometime in 2013 in Japan, followed by a worldwide roll-out. Nintendo is reportedly working with Seattle, WA-based Mozy, Inc., which has been offering cloud and backup storage for consumers since 2005. A source from within Mozy tells Wii U Daily that the company was approached by Nintendo in 2010, but that work on the service began in late 2011. The Wii U cloud will be seamlessly integrated into the Wii U channels and will be tied to the specific Wii U user account.
Nintendos main competitors, Sony and Microsoft, both offer cloud storage for save games and user files, the latter offering 512 MB free via Xbox Live.
One question to z0m3le:
Why do you think that only nintendo will have fixed functions?
I'm not implying nothing with this question, is only that z0m3le amazes me when he speaks about the tech in wii u hehe.
Yeah well I expect the PS4/XB3 to look 2X to 3X betters but what exactly does that look like? When does budgets get high enough to not look any better... Think of MS, they announced an AAAA title is in the works, I am fairly sure this is for XB3, and you know what will be AAAA about the title? The budget.
as u guys know when we enter in 3d graphics race back in ps1/n64 era, companies use number of polygons displayed as benchmarks for capabilities. and then same when we enter into Ps2/GC/xbox generation, it was polygons (20million or so) with the nicer textures and lighting stuff.
and once we have entered into current Gen, then all we see is shaders and basically more polygons stuff. Now when we look at next gen what can we expect??? more shaders more effects more polygons??
secondly, if all the next gen systems will be based on similar type of API specs with some extra whistles (fix functionality eg. lighting) I do not see much of the difference. ok some may be running on 1080p and some may b lower. but other than resolution/fps will there be any other difference??
trends seems to be like
nes (2d) to snes(enhance 2d)
PS1/N64(3d) to gc/ps2/xbox (enhanced 3d)
xbox360/ps3 (3d with shaders) to WiiU/ps4/sbox720 (3d with enhance shaders)
I don't amaze you?One question to z0m3le:
Why do you think that only nintendo will have fixed functions?
I'm not implying nothing with this question, is only that z0m3le amazes me when he speaks about the tech in wii u hehe.
I don't amaze you?
Wait... That must mean I'm on the right track! All of you who called me stupid can suck it! :lol
note: nobody called me stupid
Any talk of 2x or 3x anything is useless without context. How do you gauge something is 3x better looking?
And 10% of participants involved told us "Get off my lawn!" Yes, you heard it here first, folks. "Get off my lawn!" is more popular than Atari.
As e3 gets closer Gaf gets more and more pessimistic.
I agree with what you are saying... "Looking" is completely subjective, and opinionated... but I base it on the guestimated measurements purely of the GFLOPs available from those cards... For instance, if the 360 can produce 240GFLOPs, than I am expecting the Wii U's GPU to produce about 720GFLOPs (this is just a guess based on talks with BG, that may or may not of included long walks on the beach And if that is the case with Wii U, and we know that PS4 set out for 1800GFLOPs, and Xbox3 to have 2100GFLOPs... well, that leaves them somewhere around ~3X greater than Wii U.
That's for the cloud, not.the console.It also mentions 2013 Japan release, which we know isn't true, as we have holiday 2012 confirmation.
guys is there any gpu technology which produces >=1.8teraflops without getting extreme cooling accessories and lower power consumption??
That's for the cloud, not.the console.
It is reasonable to assume that the PS4 and Xb³ can reach those goals without taking substantial losses per console and without going higher in price than, say, what the Xbox 360 started at? I would think that they'd be a big gun shy on repeating that facet of the last generation, given how much the former is still in the red and how long it took the latter to get out of it.
Fair enough, I do feel od looking at that ad. I mean, it was a chunk of my early childhood. And who didn't like George Plimpton back then?And 10% of participants involved told us "Get off my lawn!" Yes, you heard it here first, folks. "Get off my lawn!" is more popular than Atari.
Nintendo patent shows slight redesign of 3DS Circle Pad?
3DS lite Hype! and could be change for Wii U if they are for 3DS
Nintendo patent shows slight redesign of 3DS Circle Pad?
3DS lite Hype! and could be change for Wii U if they are for 3DS
No prob' it was just for the fun, anticipating haters reactions. I don't stress too much about the Wii U's spec', I'm sure it will be fine for what it needs to do (Nintendo strategy and port friendly). My concerns are more about lineup, features and Upad (1 or 2?)...
New thread?Nintendo patent shows slight redesign of 3DS Circle Pad?
3DS lite Hype! and could be change for Wii U if they are for 3DS
What Nintendo need is to have GTA V and Valve on board.
It would be amazing if they had a 5 months GTA V exclusive and DOTA 2/Steam.
Someone please make a threat for that patent. The meltdowns will be glorious.
Nintendo patent shows slight redesign of 3DS Circle Pad?
3DS lite Hype! and could be change for Wii U if they are for 3DS
Nintendo has just been granted a US patent, lasting 14 years, for the 'ornament design for an operating knob for portable electronic computer'