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[japtor]

Yes, the cpu is PPC based, i think this is no surprise, right?

But how many cores and threads?!

3 cores, 2 threads per core from what I recall reading.

lherre has first or second hand knowledge and might actually know rather than guessing based on rumors. (like a bunch of rumors pointing at a newer faster Xenos with OoOE and stuff, I've seen some saying 3 cores while others said 4).

 

[shadyspace]

If it had more of a stealth element to it, I'd be more enthused immediately.

For example, if there were ghost hunters in the game, I'd have to ensure that my character remains hidden so that my existence is not threatened.

And one more thing: seeing how this is set on an oceanliner and all, I fully expect a comedic scripted sequence to take place with Cole Porter's "Anything Goes" playing in the background. Anything less would be quite disappointing.

lol weird, I just found out who Cole Porter was because I watched Midnight in Paris a couple days ago.

 

[Rösti]

Well, if it (Acid Ghost) is being developed by one of Kuju Entertainment's teams, it'll be either Headstrong Games (developed Battalion Wars 2 for example), Vatra (Silent Hill Downpour) or Zoë Mode (does mostly music related games). As for the rumored theme of the game I'd say Vatra is a good candidate. Silent Hill: Downpour, while better than Homecoming, wasn't anything special I think though, so if this rumor turns out to be true I'm less interested, especially as this concerns an entirely new system and not PlayStation 3 or Xbox 360. The learning curve can't be too flat can it?

Ah well, not many days left now until E3 and perhaps before the show begins we will get a bunch of crate photos, just like last year, to discuss. Not that it provides much information but it builds good hype, the amount of crates should anyway be greater than in 2011, I imagine Nintendo wants to fill the booth with many Wii U demo kiosks.

 

[UncleSporky]

Remember James Cameron at Ubisoft's 2009 Conferences. I died a little on the inside that year.

It felt like an hour at the time but it was literally only around 12-14 minutes. Looked it up later and couldn't believe it.

 

[-Pyromaniac-]

Exactly. My bingo card is going to have a spot with Gabe Newell on it to signify the appearance of "gaming celebrities." Honestly, it wouldn't surprise me one bit if Nintendo partnered with one or more to get a bit of street cred with the cores they're supposedly pursuing.

It's like David Letterman saying, "I'm hip - I know what the kids like!"

to be fair, the "hip" crowd actually do like eminem. Anyway I doubt that rumour too. I doubt everything pretty much.

 

[shadyspace]

Yeah. Eminem is pretty big again.

 

[Father_Brain]

So this is the name or codename of Retro's new FPS. Hmm. Edit: Kuju? Well that certainly came out of nowhere.

Do you know something about Retro developing a Wii U FPS?

 

[-Pyromaniac-]

Do you know something about Retro developing a Wii U FPS?

that was some rumour a while back

 

[StevieP]

Do you know something about Retro developing a Wii U FPS?

I know nothing - see my tag trollface.jpg
(hint: take a look at who they've been hiring. "PS3/360 demographic" is the current buzzword of the day at Retro)

 

[DCKing]

I'm beginning to think that the Wii U CPU is a modified Waternoose (Xenon/Cell's PPE) with OoOE. Obviously with more/assymetrical cache as well. Actually no I thought that since the last thread... lol. Lhhere, you still around? =P

Yeah, it seems most likely to me as well. The 360 was originally intended to be OoOE, I think it's quite likely they built on that.

 

[Forsaken82]

So its looking like only 2 unannounced games left from the Ubi 7 launch lineup.

Casual:

• The Avengers (confirmed)
• Rayman Legends (confirmed)
• Just Dance (confirmed)
• Rabbids Game?
  [*]Killer Freaks From Outer Space?

Core:

• Ghost Recon Online (confirmed)
• Assassins Creed III (confirmed)

Are you referring to confirmed for E3? Because I am not sure how Killer Freaks is unconfirmed seeing as it was the first new IP revealed for the Wii U...

 

[Linkhero1]

I know nothing - see my tag trollface.jpg
(hint: take a look at who they've been hiring)

That doesn't necessarily mean it has to be a FPS title. So what DO you know?

 

[TheGreatMightyPoo]

That Fansite just posted more supposed details about Acid Ghost:

Well, Acid Ghost being real had a good run...

 

[Dascu]

That Fansite just posted more supposed details about Acid Ghost:



Sounds interesting if true, but it ain't gonna sell many systems. Hopefully, Nintendo would have more up its sleeve than that aimed at older audiences.

Eh. Who would want this when you can have Dreadline for all your monster mania needs?

 

[MDX]

That Fansite just posted more supposed details about Acid Ghost:

use the Wii U controller to pick up random objects, grab people's body parts, draw on the walls with blood, turn on and off lights in rooms, mess with passengers tv's, radio's, and laptops, and mess with their food when they aren't looking

They must have been inspired by that Zelda video.

But, what we have here, if this rumor is true, is another example of a 360 game
being moved up as a WiiU title. Thats bodes well in my book.
Means its easy to port games from the 360- as was suggested before.
And, that the tablet controller is inspiring developers.

 

[Father_Brain]

I know nothing - see my tag trollface.jpg
(hint: take a look at who they've been hiring. "PS3/360 demographic" is the current buzzword of the day at Retro)

Do you have a source other than that one Beyond3D member? And do you know "nothing" about it being a new IP?

 

[ViewtifulJC]

That Fansite just posted more supposed details about Acid Ghost:

What in THEE fuck

 

[StevieP]

Yeah, it seems most likely to me as well. The 360 was originally intended to be OoOE, I think it's quite likely they built on that.

Iwata: "OK, take the CPU in the 360 and make it less shit, plz & thx"

That doesn't necessarily mean it has to be a FPS title. So what DO you know?

Seriously, I know nothing!
It's not necessarily an FPS that they're doing, but they're working on something that requires some of the recent talent they brought in. What does that mean? It's certainly targeting the type of gamers who love their Gears/Halos/etc. As for it being a new IP - seriously I don't know any specifics. But if I were a guessing man I'd probably guess that it is. Certainly not Zelda, DK, Metroid, etc. Speaking of that Beyond3D poster, they also said something along the lines of "PS3/360 gamers" <--- what does that demographic entail to you?

 

[crankypants]

Definitely not by me:

 

[Smiles and Cries]

so Ubisoft is running out of leaks?

 

[Linkhero1]

Seriously, I know nothing! lmao
It's not necessarily an FPS that they're doing, but they're working on something that requires some of the recent talent they brought in. What does that mean? It ain't DK - it's certainly targeting the type of gamers who love their Gears/Halos/etc.

I believe bg said a poster on Beyond3D who's in the "know" said it's not going to be Metroid, Zelda, or a DK title so I ruled them out a while ago.

I have a feeling it will be a FPS or TPS as well. I'd rather have a TPS than FPS though.

so Ubisoft is running out of leaks?

I guess so. They announced Just Dance for the Wii U I think.

 

[DCKing]

Iwata: "OK, take the CPU in the 360 and make it less shit, plz & thx"

If Iwata spoke 1337, probably.

Xenon is pretty good for a gaming CPU in that it's a good number cruncher and gives a lot of power for a rather small chip. Its inflexibilities (in-order is among them) and low cache make it a pain however. So if Nintendo improved upon that, it would work out pretty well I think. I think MS will do the same for the next Xbox.

Whatever the case, I still think the CPU is pretty irrelevant anyway.

 

[Father_Brain]

It's not necessarily an FPS that they're doing, but they're working on something that requires some of the recent talent they brought in. What does that mean? It ain't DK - it's certainly targeting the type of gamers who love their Gears/Halos/etc.

Good, good. I can only hope that their idea of targeting that audience isn't yet another Metroid Prime. (I love the series, don't get me wrong - but the idea of another would-be AAA console entry needs to rest another few years, after the memory of Other M has faded and after Wii U is hopefully better established with the HD core market. Particularly on Wii U, Nintendo really needs to wean its core output off reliance on Mario, Zelda, and Metroid.)

 

[Discomurf]

Are you referring to confirmed for E3? Because I am not sure how Killer Freaks is unconfirmed seeing as it was the first new IP revealed for the Wii U...

Confirmed games shipping this year

 

[Rösti]

I believe bg said a poster on Beyond3D who's in the "know" said it's not going to be Metroid, Zelda, or a DK title so I ruled them out a while ago.

I have a feeling it will be a FPS or TPS as well. I'd rather have a TPS than FPS though.



I guess so. They announced Just Dance for the Wii U I think.

I wouldn't call that an announcement. They basically stated their goal is to grow the brand through geographical expansion and new platforms like Wii U. Most likely will the series come to Wii U, but I wouldn't call this confirming something. I'll add it to the game list though.

 

[Linkhero1]

I wouldn't call that an announcement. They basically stated their goal is to grow the brand through geographical expansion and new platforms like Wii U. Most likely will the series come to Wii U, but I wouldn't call this confirming something. I'll add it to the game list though.

My apologies. I didn't click on the link and assumed it was announced based off the title of the link

 

[Smiles and Cries]

can we have a WiiU pad screen size comparison? not resolution but physical size

 

[Sadist]

Ha, that Acid Ghost sounds pretty terrible

 

[GameplayWhore]

can we have a WiiU pad screen size comparison? not resolution but physical size

*quick math* The screen is 6.2", so it'd be about 3" high by 5.4" wide, I think.

Edit: So it's a little wider than a standard index card.

 

[Refreshment.01]

First, What my point was, is that Nintendo is in a better position to catch up to Sony and Microsoft now, then Sony was to catch up to Microsoft 6 years ago, which they did 3 or 4 years ago in the most important ways, so online is actually sounding pretty good for Nintendo, maybe in fall they will still be behind, but within the next two years, they should clearly surpass them, and that tablet is going to be nice to surf with.

The person was asking about the probability on reaching parity with the other online services. My answer was that it is an unrealistic expectation. Given the amount of resources, time and money already invested by the others when Nintendo was neglecting that area. To match something like Live given MS strong experience, position and resources is a chimeric dream. Your example was a bit tangential and i don't understand what offered to that discussion.

Second, we are comparing 360's storage options to USB 2.0, so lets just look at a benchmark... http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/xbox-360-storage-update-the-flash-factor-article?page=3

No at all. We were talking about USB 2.0 being more slow than other options. Not about the specific case of 360 transfer speeds. The PS3 and 360 were mentioned in relation of how both Sony and MS handled their storage strategies. Not in regards to drive throughput data.

Then you put up the maximal theoricals of the USB 2.0 connection and made an incorrect statement saying it performs similar to a Hard Drive attached to eSATA. That's not correct.

In relation to the article you cherry picked a page. Page 4 demonstrates the opposite case. Anyway, the article is irrelevant because of some issues in how the 360 manages the internal bandwidth and interfaces. And in other cases the connections are limited by the transfer speed of the optical drive. I mean in those test they got an SSD performing almost equally to an average mechanical drive on both a SATA and USB connection, that's insane.

in the last graph there, we can see that stage loading from USB 2.0 is actually faster than installs on the hard drive, this is in part thanks to flash, but proves that bandwidth isn't the only factor... hard drives are just sort of FAR behind in tech.

That is not the right conclusion. On normal circumstances a mechanical drive under an eSATA connection will operate faster than the very same drive interfacing through USB 2.0

That has been already pointed out to you by several people in this thread.

I agree that I wish they had USB 3.0, I don't really want Sata because I already have an external USB 3.0 2TB drive, but if they offered Sata, they would still have USB 2.0, so that is fine I guess, though it makes no difference to me.

So you agree with me but then put up an irrelevant article to prove a point?

Anyway, USB 3.0 is not happening due to cost issues. eSATA is a cheap port with a lot better throughput than usb 2.0. Both options could be offered for cheap.

Basically I think you work for Microsoft and your job is to complain about the Wii U, you're doing a good job so far.

Hahaha... X¬)
Because i work for them it makes sense that i defend them. No reason to get defensive in favor of X company when you are not getting benefits out of it.

 

[Skiesofwonder]

That Fansite just posted more supposed details about Acid Ghost:



Sounds interesting if true, but it ain't gonna sell many systems. Hopefully, Nintendo would have more up its sleeve than that aimed at older audiences.

Actually it sounds pretty awesome. I Loved the premise of Geist, so I would welcome a return to such a game.

I still have a hard time believing it though, especially the whole Eminem part..

 

[StevieP]

If Iwata spoke 1337, probably.

Xenon is pretty good for a gaming CPU in that it's a good number cruncher and gives a lot of power for a rather small chip. Its inflexibilities (in-order is among them) and low cache make it a pain however. So if Nintendo improved upon that, it would work out pretty well I think. I think MS will do the same for the next Xbox.

Whatever the case, I still think the CPU is pretty irrelevant anyway.

IPC is still pretty shit on it, though. Waternoose is a design that I'd like to see go away in favour of shorter-pipelined out-of-order cores. Fortunately I think Microsoft may agree with me here, unlike Nintendo. An OoO PPE (if it's even feasible to do so) would be much larger than the relatively small in-order PPE in Cell/Xenon at 45nm.

 

[z0m3le]

The person was asking about the probability on reaching parity with the other online services. My answer was that it is an unrealistic expectation. Given the amount of resources, time and money already invested by the others when Nintendo was neglecting that area. To match something like Live given MS strong experience, position and resources is a chimeric dream. Your example was a bit tangential and i don't understand what offered to that discussion.

No at all. We were talking about USB 2.0 being more slow than other options. Not about the specific case of 360 transfer speeds. The PS3 and 360 were mentioned in relation of how both Sony and MS handled their storage strategies. Not in regards to drive throughput data.

Then you put up the maximal theoricals of the USB 2.0 connection and made an incorrect statement saying it performs similar to a Hard Drive attached to eSATA. That's not correct.

In relation to the article you cherry picked a page. Page 4 demonstrates the opposite case. Anyway, the article is irrelevant because of some issues in how the 360 manages the internal bandwidth and interfaces. And in other cases the connections are limited by the transfer speed of the optical drive. I mean in those test they got an SSD performing almost equally to an average mechanical drive on both a SATA and USB connection, that's insane.


That is not the right conclusion. On normal circumstances a mechanical drive under an eSATA connection will operate faster than the very same drive interfacing through USB 2.0

That has been already pointed out to you by several people in this thread.

So you agree with me but then put up an irrelevant article to prove a point?

Anyway, USB 3.0 is not happening due to cost issues. eSATA is a cheap port with a lot better throughput than usb 2.0. Both options could be offered for cheap.

Hahaha... X¬)
Because i work for them it makes sense that i defend them. No reason to get defensive in favor of X company when you are not getting benefits out of it.

You are completely ignoring the propose of my replies, I am not saying that Sata and USB 3.0 aren't faster, my point is that USB 2.0 is adequate... and you are wrong, I didn't cherry pick that, the 4th page still shows the 16GB drive on USB 2.0 to be faster loading the orange box levels too... what you said was just wrong.

And the point about Sony catching up to Microsoft was that if they could do it, there is no reason Nintendo cannot. It's not unrealistic to expect since Sony and Microsoft are offering standard stuff: Voice chat, friends lists, accounts and game matching. 3DS already does most of this, we will see how Wii U improves upon it, but they will improve and with that tablet controller they can even surpass Live fairly easily with stuff like Social networking and web access being there while in game.

 

[HylianTom]

I wonder if we're going to get a leak every day or so at this point. It'd certainly make the wait a bit easier. 20 days..

 

[DCKing]

IPC is still pretty shit on it, though. Waternoose is a design that I'd like to see go away in favour of shorter-pipelined out-of-order cores. Fortunately I think Microsoft may agree with me here, unlike Nintendo. An OoO PPE (if it's even feasible to do so) would be much larger than the relatively small in-order PPE in Cell/Xenon at 45nm.

Well yeah. But is IPC really that important for games?

By the way, I'm not saying it's a straight up copy job. Just suggesting some improvements that would make a big difference if based on the old Xenon architecture. The fact that it has split L2 cache alone already means that it is pretty different from Xenon.

Also, how much does the OoOE mean for the die size? Xenon's die size was pretty heavily cut down, but on 45nm Nintendo has much more headroom.

 

[Mr. MondayNight]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAuo8IOFNuE

I still want this song to be used to show off Eternal Darkness 2.

 

[Sadist]

I wonder if we're going to get a leak every day or so at this point. It'd certainly make the wait a bit easier. 20 days..

Hold on man. Hold on

 

[Fantastical]

That Fansite just posted more supposed details about Acid Ghost:



Sounds interesting if true, but it ain't gonna sell many systems. Hopefully, Nintendo would have more up its sleeve than that aimed at older audiences.

Lol, why the hell would Eminem be associated with this?

 

[lwilliams3]

But how many cores and threads?!

lherre has first or second hand knowledge and might actually know rather than guessing based on rumors. (like a bunch of rumors pointing at a newer faster Xenos with OoOE and stuff, I've seen some saying 3 cores while others said 4).

Lherre was the one of the first ones to state that the cpu is 3 cores and 2 threads per core. He also said that L2 cache was way less than 16MB and that it was split asymmetrically among the cores.

 

[Sadist]

Lol, why the hell would Eminem be associated with this?

Apparently they shot a promo video (for E3) with Eminem and this title

 

[brochiller]

Ah well, not many days left now until E3 and perhaps before the show begins we will get a bunch of crate photos, just like last year, to discuss. Not that it provides much information but it builds good hype, the amount of crates should anyway be greater than in 2011, I imagine Nintendo wants to fill the booth with many Wii U demo kiosks.

Ok so you just got me excited to see the pictures of crates again.

Yeah, I'm hyped to see pictures of wooden crates. This is what I've come to.

 

[Fantastical]

Apparently they shot a promo video (for E3) with Eminem and this title

I know but... why would they ask him to do that? The game is supposedly about a ghost who messes with people on a cruise ship.

 

[BurntPork]

Iwata: "OK, take the CPU in the 360 and make it less shit, plz & thx"



Seriously, I know nothing!
It's not necessarily an FPS that they're doing, but they're working on something that requires some of the recent talent they brought in. What does that mean? It's certainly targeting the type of gamers who love their Gears/Halos/etc. As for it being a new IP - seriously I don't know any specifics. But if I were a guessing man I'd probably guess that it is. Certainly not Zelda, DK, Metroid, etc. Speaking of that Beyond3D poster, they also said something along the lines of "PS3/360 gamers" <--- what does that demographic entail to you?

Yeah, in terms of CPU, Wii U is another Wii. (improved last-gen CPU) It's really a shame. Though, it is funny how the Wattson thing turned out to be such a godly level of BS. Lol

 

[GDGF]

Lol, why the hell would Eminem be associated with this?

Maybe the Kuju team developing it is Zoë Mode and it's a music/rhythm game as well? I dunno.

 

[AceBandage]

Apparently they shot a promo video (for E3) with Eminem and this title

I think he meant: Why would Eminem put his name in with this game.

 

[brochiller]

I know but... why would they ask him to do that? The game is supposedly about a ghost who messes with people on a cruise ship.

A ghost who messes with people on a cruise ship to rap music.

 

[AceBandage]

A ghost who messes with people on a cruise ship to rap music.

Make it black white and red, have Greg Proops and John DiMaggio commentate on the action and you have my new favorite game.

 

[Oddduck]

I know but... why would they ask him to do that? The game is supposedly about a ghost who messes with people on a cruise ship.

Well just a few interesting things to mention. This isn't the first time Eminem has been involved with horror or creative projects.

http://music.yahoo.com/blogs/hip-ho...em-working-on-shady-talez-3d-horror-film.html

Eminem takes his horror films seriously. The Detroit rapper is slated to star in and co-producea 3D horror film "Shady Talez," reports ScreenDaily.com.

Described as "The Twilight Zone" meets "Creepshow," "ShadyTalez" will be co-produced by D.J. Classicz/Davis Entertainment.

"Shady Talez" will debut in 2010 as a four-issue Marvel Icons comic book series.

"Underworld" story creator Kevin Grevious and producer Dallas Jackson, who are writing the screenplay, are also collaborating on thecomic book series.

Eminem is a longtime fan of the horror genre, displaying dark themes in early music works, including his 1997 "The Slim Shady EP."

In May, he portrayed a serial killer in the video for his song "3 AM." The bloody, 5 minute clip featured Eminem's character escaping from a fictional rehabilitation clinic and brutally murdering those who triedto stop him.

Eminem made his theatrical debut in 2002 in the film "8Mile." He received the Academy Award for Best Original Song for his track,"Loose Yourself."

This never turned into anything. But it was a horror project he wanted to do.

He also worked with Marvel on a Punisher comic book.

 

[Spieler Eins]

Acid Ghost rumors just keep getting more ridiculous. It's a silly name to begin with and sounds like shovelware if anything lol. Also, Eminem what? okay...

 

[GDGF]

Also, Eminem what? okay...

That would be Lil Jon