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Castlevania: Lords of Shadow - Mirror of Faith (3DS)
- Thread starter Sadist
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You: "it's in 2D..."
Me: "It's in 2D oh shi--"
You: "it's made by Mercury Steam."
Me: "Abandon ship. *cancels order*"
Really? I just don't think this can be considered "awful," no matter what we're comparing it to:
Opinions, I guess. I'd love it if they brought back Kojima and Yamane, though.
I'm talking artwork mainly. The art direction in the game is bipolar. The best part of the game in terms of artistic direction is easily the vampire arc. The arc right after it is perhaps the most blanded in the whole franchise.
Vulcano's assistant
Banned
Maybe if we judge the art of the games by looking at the covers and artworks instead of what is in the game. LOS really uses its art so much better than any previous 3D attemp.
Spieler Eins
Member
Well fuck, is IGA the next Team Silent now? I wonder if this will even be Metroidvania even if it's 2D. Goddamn Konami, where's my next Sorrow game? :[
I also can't say that I'm a fan of the Lords of Shadow art style. It just didn't feel like Castlevania to me at all.
I also can't say that I'm a fan of the Lords of Shadow art style. It just didn't feel like Castlevania to me at all.
Yes i played it.... it's like five order of magnitude worse than anything Ayami Kojima ever created.
brandonh83
Banned
I never looked at the concept art, so I can't speak about that. I was talking about the art direction of the actual in-game assets.
If you look at my edited post (which I changed before I saw yours), it seems we probably agree on this more than it would seem. The third act is definitely a big letdown.
If you'll agree that the epilogue has incredible art, we can squash this once and for all
It's more of Konami simply transferring their franchises to external companies. Every single one of their franchises has now been handed to external developers in some way.
EDIT: Yes, it does...well, inside the 'cathedral', at least. The city wasn't.
nonsense hyperbole, I have no idea how to respond substantively.
Who is even making games anymore at Konami aside from Kojima's team?
Nocturnowl
Member
Environmental artwork in LoS was pretty great, the enemy designs not so much with a few exceptions.
Relaxed Muscle
Member
PES team, but at this rate PES will die in a few years.
Good enough for me! At the risk of being a self-promotional flack, I think you might at least have something to say about (and would hopefully like) the art direction of my game:
http://www.funkmasonry.com/
PES, I think....and I think that's honestly it.
EDIT: Trippy cathedrals? Hmmmmm..how Technoeuropean.
I said that because I have more faith in WayForward than MercurySteam to produce a great 2D action game. It wasn't meant to be taken quite so literally, but at least I'm not just as impartial toward WayForward as a developer with nothing to show.
Portugeezer
Member
3DS
THREE DEE ESS ^_^
Cool.
But seeing as how the rumor says WF isn't making it, I'm going to go ahead and see what MercurySteam produces instead of playing in the land of make believe.
Crazy. Also pretty crazy that Kojima isn't even making the latest MGS. Konami is in bad shape.
Vulcano's assistant
Banned
You know you can't take a comment like this seriously when they focus in qualifying something as worse rather than praising the other. You could just say that anything Ayami Kojima created is five orders of magnitude better. But you clearly only care to point out the defects of the other.
Cool.
But seeing as how the rumor says WF isn't making it, I'm going to go ahead and see what MercurySteam produces instead of playing in the land of make believe.
Crazy. Also pretty crazy that Kojima isn't even making the latest MGS. Konami is in bad shape.
Well, by latest do you mean Rising? I would have grandly preferred (and maybe some here will concur) that Platinum Games should be using the engine and gameflow of Rising for a Shinobi game, and not a Metal Gear title. Seems more fitting there.
g.r.e.
Member
I don't know how Mercury Steam will pull off a 2D Castlevania, but since their work is usually great, I'm not too worried about it.
I still remember people bitching about IGA and the staleness of the "Sotn" formula. Why do people want him back now? :lol
Not at all, the gothic style of Kojima became an icon of the series to the point where when you think Castlevania you think of something like this
now once you have this in your mind and at one point you can only find something that at best looks like this
you can easily comprehend how the art of LoS is shitty compared to the one of Ayami Kojima
Oh, I agree. MGS Rising is in much better hands and looks more interesting because of Platinum games.
Yep, that's what says the domain registration.
If they're bringing a Castlevania for 3DS at E3, they better bring Lords of Shadow sequel too.
I felt bad for him when he came on stage at last year's e3 (I think, anyway). He looked like a broken man.
If they're aiming for 2013 for Lords 2, I'm sure we're going to see it soon.
Don't worry. You'll get to see both at E3.
Magicpaint
Member
Vulcano's assistant
Banned
That's not a good example of LOS art, LOS art is rendered in-game when you play. Even games with amazing in-game art like Psychonauts, or Metroid Prime doesn't have half decent artworks like those of Kojima. Those are pretty much paintings about the games, but the game does not look like that.
I seriously, seriously hope they get a composer other than Araujo. I mean shit, even Pachinko games are getting amazing tracks, and outside of a few standouts, all we had in Lords was generic background music. For Castlevania, this is disgraceful.
But we very likely will get Araujo again. Maybe the music isn't his fault, as Konami wants to get rid of the 'feminine' style of pre-LoS games.
But we very likely will get Araujo again. Maybe the music isn't his fault, as Konami wants to get rid of the 'feminine' style of pre-LoS games.
CrunchinJelly
formerly cjelly
Agreed there for sure, LOS's soundtrack was dreck.
I don't know how Mercury Steam will pull off a 2D Castlevania, but since their work is usually great, I'm not too worried about it.
I still remember people bitching about IGA and the staleness of the "Sotn" formula. Why do people want him back now? :lol
Same reason people are complaining about the new Bond films since a lot of the gadgets were taken out.
Too bad that the ingame stuff is worse than the artwork i chose for LoS that's why i bolded "at best"... the previous artwork is sure more appealing than this
also Kojima's style is well transported in the games within the possibilities of the genre (2d sidescroller)
No. Look at the unlockable art gallerys LoS has. The art is much better than anything else from the series.
Some is, but not most, and certainly not all. The Dracula artwork is indeed one of the best depictions on him in the whole franchise.
Holy hell, incredible Spanish guitar remix of Wandering Ghosts:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZCIiBSQgjM&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZCIiBSQgjM&feature=related
They can, they just need to bring in a few more elements from classic games. Remixes of well known themes, classic enemies reappearing in some fashion, etc.
Well I'm pro Mercury Steam. Iga hasnt done much to improve/evolve the series that much. The Sprite work was mostly poor until order of Ecclesia which looked pretty. Gameplay was fine and all but it was mostly the same thing over and over with 1 or 2 gimmicks to make the difference. As much as I liked the Metroidvania I rather have something more along the lines of Classic Castlevania games. I believe deeply that Mercury Steam can make something 2.5D play more like the Classics stage based which gives me IMO more visual variety compared to the ones after Symphony of the Night.
Kojima and Yamane I will miss them but the new music and visuals aint bad either. Fanboys will hate on the art direction of Lord of Shadow but the artistic direction is wonderful even if its a departure for what you are used to. At least it aint anime like that DS game I dont even try to remember the name.
Hopefully they make it a good one with less errors than Lords of Shadows. I expected to be more polished now.
Kojima and Yamane I will miss them but the new music and visuals aint bad either. Fanboys will hate on the art direction of Lord of Shadow but the artistic direction is wonderful even if its a departure for what you are used to. At least it aint anime like that DS game I dont even try to remember the name.
Hopefully they make it a good one with less errors than Lords of Shadows. I expected to be more polished now.
I think Lords of Shadow is a pretty good action/adventure title, but a bad Castlevania game. The only part that hits that note well is the Vampire arc, and that's only one-third of the experience. It abandons many tropes the franchise had going for it that it only infuriates me, and in fact introduced things David Cox said the game would never try to do. Why are checkpoints and QTEs for bosses in my Castlevania? How do I turn them off? Those seem heavily against the aesthetic and approach to the core experience that has made Castlevania what it was, and that's just in direct gameplay. If you analyze it deeply, they changed too much over and under the hood to make it even seem closer to Super Castlevania IV, the "bible" Cox used for the game. There's barely any of that in the game.