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Just an update on Orc Stain brahs but Amazon will have the first trade back in about a week or so. What was up with the paper type in this week's Invincible?
 

Setre

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Read issues 1-5 of Scalped and really enjoyed it. The art took some getting used to but halfway through the 2nd issue I was fine with it.
 
Read issues 1-5 of Scalped and really enjoyed it. The art took some getting used to but halfway through the 2nd issue I was fine with it.

Dunno why, but I've had an irrational distaste for scalped and I've refused to read it, but now that it's wrapping up, I can see myself getting the first couple of trades
 
Hey guys, just in regards to Comixology's 'Father's Day' sale, as someone who has read next to nothing of Superman/Action Comics, are Superman: Last Son and Superman: Brainiac recommended? I have really enjoyed Geoff Johns' run on Green Lantern but I don't know if that's enough to gauge enjoyment of his other work.
 
Hey guys, just in regards to Comixology's 'Father's Day' sale, as someone who has read next to nothing of Superman/Action Comics, are Superman: Last Son and Superman: Brainiac recommended? I have really enjoyed Geoff Johns' run on Green Lantern but I don't know if that's enough to gauge enjoyment of his other work.

I highly recommend Superman: Brainiac, the Gary Frank art is amazing. I haven't read Last Son. Too bad the legion of super-heroes arc isn't up.
 

Jintor

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X-23: Innocence Lost by Kyle/Yost (origin tale)
X-23: Target X by Kyle/Yost (follow-up to origin)
New X-Men: Childhood's End v.1-5 by Kyle/Yost (which is out of print and becoming harder to find)
X-Force v.3 by Kyle/Yost (excellent series)
X-23 ongoing by Marjorie Liu (ended earlier this year after 21 issues)
Avengers Academy by Christos Gage (joins the class in #23)

I've left out some stuff like NYX (her first appearance in comics) and Uncanny X-Men (the Claremont and Fraction runs), and her guest appearances in team-ups and "event" books. NYX only introduced her and established her checkered past as a prostitute in New York City, and the rest either offered bad characterizations (Claremont) or little in the way of character development (the rest).

Thanks man.
 
Paolo Rivera is leaving Marvel/Daredevil

So why am I leaving? The short answer: ownership. With the exception of just a few published pieces of art (which belong to other companies), Marvel owns the copyrights to my entire professional portfolio. And why shouldn't they? I was, of course, compensated fairly for it, and for that I’m grateful — but the sum total of that work is not enough to support me in the distant future. My page rate is essentially the same as when I started at 21, so I've decided to invest in myself. What I create in the next decade needs to pay dividends when my vision gets blurry and my hands start to shake (and who knows what else). Now is the time to make that choice, while I’m still young, possess "great power," but have few responsibilities.

Good for him. Don't want to end up like Gene Colan, drawing hundreds of DD/Tomb of Dracula pages and not shit to show for it when his skills started to erode, and you gotta ask for hand-outs from your fans while Marvel kinda twiddles it's thumbs until you pass away.

Still, sucks about Daredevil. That book launched with Marcos Martin and Paolo Rivera, and they're both gone in under a year. Chris Samnee is great, sure, but he can't replace those guys, and you just know they're gonna put some shitty Khoi Pham fill-ins to replace him.
 

Thai

Bane was better.
Paolo Rivera is leaving Marvel/Daredevil

So why am I leaving? The short answer: ownership. With the exception of just a few published pieces of art (which belong to other companies), Marvel owns the copyrights to my entire professional portfolio. And why shouldn't they? I was, of course, compensated fairly for it, and for that I’m grateful — but the sum total of that work is not enough to support me in the distant future. My page rate is essentially the same as when I started at 21, so I've decided to invest in myself. What I create in the next decade needs to pay dividends when my vision gets blurry and my hands start to shake (and who knows what else). Now is the time to make that choice, while I’m still young, possess "great power," but have few responsibilities.

Good for him. Don't want to end up like Gene Colan, drawing hundreds of DD/Tomb of Dracula pages and not shit to show for it when his skills started to erode, and you gotta ask for hand-outs from your fans while Marvel kinda twiddles it's thumbs until you pass away.

Still, sucks about Daredevil. That book launched with Marcos Martin and Paolo Rivera, and they're both gone in under a year. Chris Samnee is great, sure, but he can't replace those guys, and you just know they're gonna put some shitty Khoi Pham fill-ins to replace him.


AWESOME. His work on Daredevil has been revelatory! The character and story really lent themselves to him coming up with some incredibly novel visual tricks. I'm really looking forward to seeing what he can do on his own.
 
Paolo Rivera is leaving Marvel/Daredevil

So why am I leaving? The short answer: ownership. With the exception of just a few published pieces of art (which belong to other companies), Marvel owns the copyrights to my entire professional portfolio. And why shouldn't they? I was, of course, compensated fairly for it, and for that I’m grateful — but the sum total of that work is not enough to support me in the distant future. My page rate is essentially the same as when I started at 21, so I've decided to invest in myself. What I create in the next decade needs to pay dividends when my vision gets blurry and my hands start to shake (and who knows what else). Now is the time to make that choice, while I’m still young, possess "great power," but have few responsibilities.

Good for him. Don't want to end up like Gene Colan, drawing hundreds of DD/Tomb of Dracula pages and not shit to show for it when his skills started to erode, and you gotta ask for hand-outs from your fans while Marvel kinda twiddles it's thumbs until you pass away.

Still, sucks about Daredevil. That book launched with Marcos Martin and Paolo Rivera, and they're both gone in under a year. Chris Samnee is great, sure, but he can't replace those guys, and you just know they're gonna put some shitty Khoi Pham fill-ins to replace him.

It is hard to be a comic artist. That's for sure. I can't imagine going into that profession without having a great understanding of investment or having something else to fall back on. It's just not something you can retire on.
 
Comic book creators either end up with nothing, or millions of dollars at the end of the career. Crazy how there isn't a whole lot of in-between.
 
I need to contact that brah on working with my comics.

Koi Pham is not a good artist, I dropped Scarlet Spider as soon as he was solicited as an artist. Marvel, I want to buy 3 dollar books from you, why you gotta mess it up?
 

Nesotenso

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Paolo Rivera is leaving Marvel/Daredevil

So why am I leaving? The short answer: ownership. With the exception of just a few published pieces of art (which belong to other companies), Marvel owns the copyrights to my entire professional portfolio. And why shouldn't they? I was, of course, compensated fairly for it, and for that I’m grateful — but the sum total of that work is not enough to support me in the distant future. My page rate is essentially the same as when I started at 21, so I've decided to invest in myself. What I create in the next decade needs to pay dividends when my vision gets blurry and my hands start to shake (and who knows what else). Now is the time to make that choice, while I’m still young, possess "great power," but have few responsibilities.

Good for him. Don't want to end up like Gene Colan, drawing hundreds of DD/Tomb of Dracula pages and not shit to show for it when his skills started to erode, and you gotta ask for hand-outs from your fans while Marvel kinda twiddles it's thumbs until you pass away.

Still, sucks about Daredevil. That book launched with Marcos Martin and Paolo Rivera, and they're both gone in under a year. Chris Samnee is great, sure, but he can't replace those guys, and you just know they're gonna put some shitty Khoi Pham fill-ins to replace him.

Is he still on an arc for later this year ?
 

Lombaszko

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I got Joe Hill's The Cape for Father's Day. I really don't like the dialog or main character, but the artwork and story are fantastic.
I didn't see
the main character being the villain, so that was a nice twist, even tough there have been a lot of books where that happens. He's such a piece of shit though, I didn't care about him at all. I wish they would have expanded on his father a bit more or where his Cape powers came from but oh well.
I'd recommend it if you can find it on sale.
 
Is he still on an arc for later this year ?

Nope. He's gone. Chris Samnee is doing that later story arc as well.

Kinda puts into perspective how recent this decision was. Rivera was very excited about doing Daredevil for a good, long run, and now he's done a 180 on that.
 

tm24

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It is hard to be a comic artist. That's for sure. I can't imagine going into that profession without having a great understanding of investment or having something else to fall back on. It's just not something you can retire on.

Its why i cant blame Tony Daniels for moving to writing. Sure, he sucks at it, but theres a reason for it.

At least Francis Manapul is good at both!
 
I was looking on marvel.com for captain marvel subscription but it wasn't up. I have a subscription to uncanny xforce from them. Anybody already subscribed somewhere else?
 

Nesotenso

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Nope. He's gone. Chris Samnee is doing that later story arc as well.

Kinda puts into perspective how recent this decision was. Rivera was very excited about doing Daredevil for a good, long run, and now he's done a 180 on that.

yeah I knew he was leaving but I thought it would be in another year or two. Samnee seems to be crazy fast though.
 
Hack/Slash omnibus brahs or 100 Bullets Deluxe Edition? Is Hack/Slash mostly comedy or does it have suspense? Wish DMZ had some deluxe editions.
 
Hack/Slash omnibus brahs or 100 Bullets Deluxe Edition? Is Hack/Slash mostly comedy or does it have suspense? Wish DMZ had some deluxe editions.
Haven't read 100 Bullets yet but I don't really recommend Hack/Slash. It's one of those comics I really wanted to like but found it stale. It's mostly comedy horror; hard to really be suspenseful since it's in the horror movie genre and you know the main characters are in the ongoing series.
 
Rivera is easily one of my favorite artists, whatever he puts out, I'll buy.

Seems like a few comic creators are leaving the big 2 to focus on their own properties or work.
 
Also, Fear Agent OHC vol 1 is $24.99 at dcbs if you pre-order. Yay half off!

I am so excited for this. I read the first trade a few months ago, then stopped because the second one was out of print. As it turns out, that was a blessing in disguise.

I NEED THE REST OF THIS SAGA IN MY HANDS NOW

Sorry.
 

tm24

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I am so excited for this. I read the first trade a few months ago, then stopped because the second one was out of print. As it turns out, that was a blessing in disguise.

I NEED THE REST OF THIS SAGA IN MY HANDS NOW

Sorry.

Nah man, its cool. I need to spread the Fear Agent love around
 

Owzers

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i finally got Android on my touchpad thanks to a really easy to follow guide and it's like a whole new tablet ( or like the Acer Iconia tablet i had for a week and returned). The black task bar at the bottom of the screen even hides the speck of dust that looks like a black dot, ocd-ness saved! First thing i downloaded...Comixology!
 

Owzers

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AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH


Atomic Robo comixology sale, ends tmw. Which one out of there is a must have? I'm definitely buying something.
 

Tizoc

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AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH


Atomic Robo comixology sale, ends tmw. Which one out of there is a must have? I'm definitely buying something.

GET EVERYTHING!
GET EVERYTHING!
GET EVERYTHING!

...and subscribe to this twitter-
http://twitter.com/#!/Dr_Dinosaur

I like Danger Club and Invincible.

come+at+me+anteater.jpg

Haven't read Danger Club but I'm willing to give the bro-est bro-hug of all the internets ;D

No chance, they're not going to start referencing pre-Flashpoint continuity like that. Wasn't that character killed off in Batman & Robin vol. 1 anyway?

I reread that story and no he was not killed, he was sent to STAR Labs.
 

Jedeye Sniv

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No chance, they're not going to start referencing pre-Flashpoint continuity like that. Wasn't that character killed off in Batman & Robin vol. 1 anyway?

Not quite, he was buried in a coffin by Joker. But you don't see a body, and he is technically immortal, so who knows? He could still be buried in the Wayne Manor gardens!

I reread that story and no he was not killed, he was sent to STAR Labs.

Where'd you get STARLabs from?
 

Owzers

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GET EVERYTHING!
GET EVERYTHING!
GET EVERYTHING!

...and subscribe to this twitter-
http://twitter.com/#!/Dr_Dinosaur



Haven't read Danger Club but I'm willing to give the bro-est bro-hug of all the internets ;D

First issue of vol 1 was free, really liked it. Only read two other random issues before, one being last years FCBD and that dinosaur was amazing. I am debating between digital sale, buying used trades when i find them, and waiting for an OHC. Digital seems like the best bet, then OHC since i don't know if that will even get made, then used trades since i would feel slightly bad buying this used when it's special.

ended up buying them through dcbs' comixology link to try to get 5% back on my next dcbs order. first time trying this, apparently there is a day delay between when you can link the purchase.....we'll see!
 

kswiston

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Rivera is easily one of my favorite artists, whatever he puts out, I'll buy.

Seems like a few comic creators are leaving the big 2 to focus on their own properties or work.

Creator owned is pretty hit or miss from what I have seen. Some strike it big like Kirkman or Millar, while others barely make enough to scrape by and end up going back to the big 2. Seems like even less of a sure thing if you are only the artist. Perhaps Rivera wants to try his hand at writing.
 

Owzers

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I may have to indulge. Comixology is gaining my favor with these sales, though I'm still not 100% hooked.

i'm only sold on things that are really cheap AND hard to find in print. I jumped on that Seaguy Slaves of Mickey Eye sale since they didn't even put that series into a trade, and Atomic Robo is well-priced and that vol 3 tpb is out of print and it's probably not getting an oversized hardcover in the near future. I still prefer print/trades/used trades over strictly digital though, or l Marvel including digital codes with 3.99 print books.
 
Yeah, while I love having print trades to enjoy & lend to friends, digital really appeases my desire for cheaper comics and less clutter around my house.
 
Welp, that didn't take long:

...Rob Black, director of the recently announced Birds Of Prey XXX, looks like he may be dipping his toe into the water. Inspired by recent headlines, he will feature a gay Green Lantern in the upcoming Justice League XXX 3D production, played by gay porn star Adam Killian (picture at link).

And he is planning a scene with Green Lantern and Nightwing getting down and dirty with each other.
Source: Bleeding Cool

Who wants to bet it'll still be Hal Jordan and not Alan Scott?
 
Creator owned is pretty hit or miss from what I have seen. Some strike it big like Kirkman or Millar, while others barely make enough to scrape by and end up going back to the big 2. Seems like even less of a sure thing if you are only the artist. Perhaps Rivera wants to try his hand at writing.

It's pretty tricky for sure. Dude could make a living becoming a cover artist and doing commissions though. Selling original art also makes artists tons of money. That page rate they get isn't how comics artists, especially the bigger ones, really get their money.
 
It's pretty tricky for sure. Dude could make a living becoming a cover artist and doing commissions though. Selling original art also makes artists tons of money. That page rate they get isn't how comics artists, especially the bigger ones, really get their money.
That's also one of the reasons listed why page counts have fallen, and why so few artists now appear capable of maintaining a monthly schedule.
 
I might have asked this before but does Mark Waid's Daredevil run spoil the previous volume? (The legendary Smith/Bendis/Brubaker/Diggle run) or does it kind of do its own thing.
 

Owzers

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I might have asked this before but does Mark Waid's Daredevil run spoil the previous volume? (The legendary Smith/Bendis/Brubaker/Diggle run) or does it kind of do its own thing.

I've read all of Brubaker's run and the first 9 issues of Waid's run, but i haven't gotten around to reading my bendis ultimate tpbs yet.....Brubaker's continued off of Bendis' ending i think, then Waid's run started off with " forget that crap, let's roll" and went in a new direction. Unless it's massively spoilery and i am not remembering right :p
 

tm24

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I might have asked this before but does Mark Waid's Daredevil run spoil the previous volume? (The legendary Smith/Bendis/Brubaker/Diggle run) or does it kind of do its own thing.

Outside of the ongoing theme of "Is Matt DD?" There is nothing carried over. Ill go reread Waid's run to see if there is, but i dont remember a single thing
 

tm24

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"Random food blog"? No clue.

Must of been TToB than. But i found it after some digging into google

http://porkosity.blogspot.com/2012/03/fed-122-comic-scout-cb-cebulski.html

Here the part that mentions that

CEBULSKI
Yep. And that’s the thing. We try to schedule two-issue arcs or three issue arcs and sometimes it works out and sometimes it doesn’t. But there just really aren’t guys who can do monthly comics anymore.

AGG
Why is that?

CEBULSKI
They spend so much more time drawing. For them … and also another part of it is, when Kirby or Trimpe or these guys were doing it, there wasn’t a big original art sales market. And they weren’t really selling their originals for much. But now the artists know, they’re getting their monthly page rate, which in some cases is quite substantial.

AGG
Like a page rate, literally each page … ?

CEBULSKI
Yeah. Like starting page rate at Marvel …

MINTZ
And also they can now sell their art unlike the old days when they threw it out or Marvel sold it and didn’t give them the money.



CEBULSKI
Yeah. So I was just talking to a guy the other day. I know that the rates are for some of these guys. Say a middle of the range artist, more popular, they get $300 to draw one page. So if they do a page a day they’re making $300 a day, which isn’t a bad living. But these guys, because of the art market, the more detail they put in, the more they can sell it for, they’re going to take two days on a page or three days. To make it look like a piece of art that someone wants to hang in their house. The more detail they put into it, the more money they can sell it for.

MINTZ
I know it varies between artists, but what might the current market be?

CEBULSKI
This guy I was just talking to, and he’s more of an exception, but he spends about three days on a cover piece. And I don’t know what his page rate is, but say it was $300. For a cover image you get plus 50%. So he’ll make $450 off that cover. He spends three days on it. So that’s $150 a day. But he turned around and sold that cover for $5000. So the time he put into it more than made up for the money he was losing by spending the time on it. And so some of these big guys like David Finch, Steve McNiven, any page that they produce, they can sell for easily over $1000.

BUTCHER
For every single page.

MINTZ
But meanwhile it makes them less employable.



CEBULSKI
But those guys achieved status by being the best artists because they put in so much detail, but you see less of their art in the market.

JEAN
They don’t have a staff working with them?

CEBULSKI
Some do. But most of the guys don’t. There’s also the other side of what we do. Sometimes the artist thinks if they produce less, it makes them more in demand. Then they’re going to sell more, their art’s going to be worth more. And you’ve got some artists who put out monthly books, who put out fourteen issues a year, who are slaving over stuff. But they don’t get as much respect as these guys because, ‘Oh, we know what to expect from these guys. The book’s always going to be on the stands.’

AGG
That’s really thinking about it like commerce, when you’re thinking, I’m going to limit what I produce to seem more mysterious and in demand.

JEAN
But artists are making more money by themselves than with you?

CEBULSKI
They are. Some of the bigger names make much more in private sales. A lot of the guys we work with have guys, everything is presold. It doesn’t matter what they do. They have a collect who says, whatever you do next, I’m gonna buy it.

JEAN
So that guy, he doesn’t need you.

AGG
But they do need him.

BUTCHER
He does, for an air of authenticity. If it didn’t get published, then it’s not real.

JEAN
You right.

CEBULSKI
Because when they frame it, they’ll frame the cover of the comic of the page next to the original.

JEAN
Yes.

AGG
Really?

JEAN
Yes. Because it’s all about that.

CEBULSKI
There’s a new guy, a collector from Indonesia, some billionaire real estate guy. He’s just buying up everything. Like Lee Bermejo’s Noel …

BUTCHER
He bought the whole book?

CEBULSKI
He bought the whole book, from start to finish. 96-page graphic novel. Batman. I have no idea. He probably paid $100,000 for it at least.
 
Must of been TToB than. But i found it after some digging into google

http://porkosity.blogspot.com/2012/03/fed-122-comic-scout-cb-cebulski.html

Here the part that mentions that
Had no idea about the blog, but the article you posted is pretty much what I was talking about. An artist isn't going to spend a whole lot of time churning out an excess of pages each month for per-page rates when he can put more effort into fewer pages and sell them as "high art" to private collectors. You didn't have that option two decades ago, one decade even, so the only recourse for an artist to make money was to meet those deadlines and turn in more pages, which resulted in higher page counts.
 
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