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Steve, the dog with no powers that we let hang out with us all for some reason
I like Danger Club and Invincible.
I like your style.
I like Danger Club and Invincible.
Read issues 1-5 of Scalped and really enjoyed it. The art took some getting used to but halfway through the 2nd issue I was fine with it.
Hey guys, just in regards to Comixology's 'Father's Day' sale, as someone who has read next to nothing of Superman/Action Comics, are Superman: Last Son and Superman: Brainiac recommended? I have really enjoyed Geoff Johns' run on Green Lantern but I don't know if that's enough to gauge enjoyment of his other work.
X-23: Innocence Lost by Kyle/Yost (origin tale)
X-23: Target X by Kyle/Yost (follow-up to origin)
New X-Men: Childhood's End v.1-5 by Kyle/Yost (which is out of print and becoming harder to find)
X-Force v.3 by Kyle/Yost (excellent series)
X-23 ongoing by Marjorie Liu (ended earlier this year after 21 issues)
Avengers Academy by Christos Gage (joins the class in #23)
I've left out some stuff like NYX (her first appearance in comics) and Uncanny X-Men (the Claremont and Fraction runs), and her guest appearances in team-ups and "event" books. NYX only introduced her and established her checkered past as a prostitute in New York City, and the rest either offered bad characterizations (Claremont) or little in the way of character development (the rest).
Paolo Rivera is leaving Marvel/Daredevil
So why am I leaving? The short answer: ownership. With the exception of just a few published pieces of art (which belong to other companies), Marvel owns the copyrights to my entire professional portfolio. And why shouldn't they? I was, of course, compensated fairly for it, and for that Im grateful but the sum total of that work is not enough to support me in the distant future. My page rate is essentially the same as when I started at 21, so I've decided to invest in myself. What I create in the next decade needs to pay dividends when my vision gets blurry and my hands start to shake (and who knows what else). Now is the time to make that choice, while Im still young, possess "great power," but have few responsibilities.
Good for him. Don't want to end up like Gene Colan, drawing hundreds of DD/Tomb of Dracula pages and not shit to show for it when his skills started to erode, and you gotta ask for hand-outs from your fans while Marvel kinda twiddles it's thumbs until you pass away.
Still, sucks about Daredevil. That book launched with Marcos Martin and Paolo Rivera, and they're both gone in under a year. Chris Samnee is great, sure, but he can't replace those guys, and you just know they're gonna put some shitty Khoi Pham fill-ins to replace him.
Paolo Rivera is leaving Marvel/Daredevil
So why am I leaving? The short answer: ownership. With the exception of just a few published pieces of art (which belong to other companies), Marvel owns the copyrights to my entire professional portfolio. And why shouldn't they? I was, of course, compensated fairly for it, and for that Im grateful but the sum total of that work is not enough to support me in the distant future. My page rate is essentially the same as when I started at 21, so I've decided to invest in myself. What I create in the next decade needs to pay dividends when my vision gets blurry and my hands start to shake (and who knows what else). Now is the time to make that choice, while Im still young, possess "great power," but have few responsibilities.
Good for him. Don't want to end up like Gene Colan, drawing hundreds of DD/Tomb of Dracula pages and not shit to show for it when his skills started to erode, and you gotta ask for hand-outs from your fans while Marvel kinda twiddles it's thumbs until you pass away.
Still, sucks about Daredevil. That book launched with Marcos Martin and Paolo Rivera, and they're both gone in under a year. Chris Samnee is great, sure, but he can't replace those guys, and you just know they're gonna put some shitty Khoi Pham fill-ins to replace him.
Paolo Rivera is leaving Marvel/Daredevil
So why am I leaving? The short answer: ownership. With the exception of just a few published pieces of art (which belong to other companies), Marvel owns the copyrights to my entire professional portfolio. And why shouldn't they? I was, of course, compensated fairly for it, and for that Im grateful but the sum total of that work is not enough to support me in the distant future. My page rate is essentially the same as when I started at 21, so I've decided to invest in myself. What I create in the next decade needs to pay dividends when my vision gets blurry and my hands start to shake (and who knows what else). Now is the time to make that choice, while Im still young, possess "great power," but have few responsibilities.
Good for him. Don't want to end up like Gene Colan, drawing hundreds of DD/Tomb of Dracula pages and not shit to show for it when his skills started to erode, and you gotta ask for hand-outs from your fans while Marvel kinda twiddles it's thumbs until you pass away.
Still, sucks about Daredevil. That book launched with Marcos Martin and Paolo Rivera, and they're both gone in under a year. Chris Samnee is great, sure, but he can't replace those guys, and you just know they're gonna put some shitty Khoi Pham fill-ins to replace him.
Is he still on an arc for later this year ?
It is hard to be a comic artist. That's for sure. I can't imagine going into that profession without having a great understanding of investment or having something else to fall back on. It's just not something you can retire on.
Nope. He's gone. Chris Samnee is doing that later story arc as well.
Kinda puts into perspective how recent this decision was. Rivera was very excited about doing Daredevil for a good, long run, and now he's done a 180 on that.
Hack/Slash omnibus brahs or 100 Bullets Deluxe Edition? Is Hack/Slash mostly comedy or does it have suspense? Wish DMZ had some deluxe editions.
Haven't read 100 Bullets yet but I don't really recommend Hack/Slash. It's one of those comics I really wanted to like but found it stale. It's mostly comedy horror; hard to really be suspenseful since it's in the horror movie genre and you know the main characters are in the ongoing series.Hack/Slash omnibus brahs or 100 Bullets Deluxe Edition? Is Hack/Slash mostly comedy or does it have suspense? Wish DMZ had some deluxe editions.
100 bulllets brah. It's actually good
EDIT: Actually brah, order the first volume of Fear Agent
http://www.amazon.com/dp/1616550058/?tag=neogaf0e-20
Hack/Slash omnibus brahs or 100 Bullets Deluxe Edition? Is Hack/Slash mostly comedy or does it have suspense? Wish DMZ had some deluxe editions.
Also, Fear Agent OHC vol 1 is $24.99 at dcbs if you pre-order. Yay half off!
I am so excited for this. I read the first trade a few months ago, then stopped because the second one was out of print. As it turns out, that was a blessing in disguise.
I NEED THE REST OF THIS SAGA IN MY HANDS NOW
Sorry.
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Atomic Robo comixology sale, ends tmw. Which one out of there is a must have? I'm definitely buying something.
I like Danger Club and Invincible.
No chance, they're not going to start referencing pre-Flashpoint continuity like that. Wasn't that character killed off in Batman & Robin vol. 1 anyway?
No chance, they're not going to start referencing pre-Flashpoint continuity like that. Wasn't that character killed off in Batman & Robin vol. 1 anyway?
I reread that story and no he was not killed, he was sent to STAR Labs.
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Haven't read Danger Club but I'm willing to give the bro-est bro-hug of all the internets ;D
Rivera is easily one of my favorite artists, whatever he puts out, I'll buy.
Seems like a few comic creators are leaving the big 2 to focus on their own properties or work.
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Atomic Robo comixology sale, ends tmw. Which one out of there is a must have? I'm definitely buying something.
I may have to indulge. Comixology is gaining my favor with these sales, though I'm still not 100% hooked.
Source: Bleeding Cool...Rob Black, director of the recently announced Birds Of Prey XXX, looks like he may be dipping his toe into the water. Inspired by recent headlines, he will feature a gay Green Lantern in the upcoming Justice League XXX 3D production, played by gay porn star Adam Killian (picture at link).
And he is planning a scene with Green Lantern and Nightwing getting down and dirty with each other.
Creator owned is pretty hit or miss from what I have seen. Some strike it big like Kirkman or Millar, while others barely make enough to scrape by and end up going back to the big 2. Seems like even less of a sure thing if you are only the artist. Perhaps Rivera wants to try his hand at writing.
That's also one of the reasons listed why page counts have fallen, and why so few artists now appear capable of maintaining a monthly schedule.It's pretty tricky for sure. Dude could make a living becoming a cover artist and doing commissions though. Selling original art also makes artists tons of money. That page rate they get isn't how comics artists, especially the bigger ones, really get their money.
That's also one of the reasons listed why page counts have fallen, and why so few artists now appear capable of maintaining a monthly schedule.
I might have asked this before but does Mark Waid's Daredevil run spoil the previous volume? (The legendary Smith/Bendis/Brubaker/Diggle run) or does it kind of do its own thing.
I might have asked this before but does Mark Waid's Daredevil run spoil the previous volume? (The legendary Smith/Bendis/Brubaker/Diggle run) or does it kind of do its own thing.
"Random food blog"? No clue.Was it you who linked to the random food blog that had Cb Cebulski talking about that very thing?
"Random food blog"? No clue.
"Random food blog"? No clue.
CEBULSKI
Yep. And thats the thing. We try to schedule two-issue arcs or three issue arcs and sometimes it works out and sometimes it doesnt. But there just really arent guys who can do monthly comics anymore.
AGG
Why is that?
CEBULSKI
They spend so much more time drawing. For them and also another part of it is, when Kirby or Trimpe or these guys were doing it, there wasnt a big original art sales market. And they werent really selling their originals for much. But now the artists know, theyre getting their monthly page rate, which in some cases is quite substantial.
AGG
Like a page rate, literally each page ?
CEBULSKI
Yeah. Like starting page rate at Marvel
MINTZ
And also they can now sell their art unlike the old days when they threw it out or Marvel sold it and didnt give them the money.
CEBULSKI
Yeah. So I was just talking to a guy the other day. I know that the rates are for some of these guys. Say a middle of the range artist, more popular, they get $300 to draw one page. So if they do a page a day theyre making $300 a day, which isnt a bad living. But these guys, because of the art market, the more detail they put in, the more they can sell it for, theyre going to take two days on a page or three days. To make it look like a piece of art that someone wants to hang in their house. The more detail they put into it, the more money they can sell it for.
MINTZ
I know it varies between artists, but what might the current market be?
CEBULSKI
This guy I was just talking to, and hes more of an exception, but he spends about three days on a cover piece. And I dont know what his page rate is, but say it was $300. For a cover image you get plus 50%. So hell make $450 off that cover. He spends three days on it. So thats $150 a day. But he turned around and sold that cover for $5000. So the time he put into it more than made up for the money he was losing by spending the time on it. And so some of these big guys like David Finch, Steve McNiven, any page that they produce, they can sell for easily over $1000.
BUTCHER
For every single page.
MINTZ
But meanwhile it makes them less employable.
CEBULSKI
But those guys achieved status by being the best artists because they put in so much detail, but you see less of their art in the market.
JEAN
They dont have a staff working with them?
CEBULSKI
Some do. But most of the guys dont. Theres also the other side of what we do. Sometimes the artist thinks if they produce less, it makes them more in demand. Then theyre going to sell more, their arts going to be worth more. And youve got some artists who put out monthly books, who put out fourteen issues a year, who are slaving over stuff. But they dont get as much respect as these guys because, Oh, we know what to expect from these guys. The books always going to be on the stands.
AGG
Thats really thinking about it like commerce, when youre thinking, Im going to limit what I produce to seem more mysterious and in demand.
JEAN
But artists are making more money by themselves than with you?
CEBULSKI
They are. Some of the bigger names make much more in private sales. A lot of the guys we work with have guys, everything is presold. It doesnt matter what they do. They have a collect who says, whatever you do next, Im gonna buy it.
JEAN
So that guy, he doesnt need you.
AGG
But they do need him.
BUTCHER
He does, for an air of authenticity. If it didnt get published, then its not real.
JEAN
You right.
CEBULSKI
Because when they frame it, theyll frame the cover of the comic of the page next to the original.
JEAN
Yes.
AGG
Really?
JEAN
Yes. Because its all about that.
CEBULSKI
Theres a new guy, a collector from Indonesia, some billionaire real estate guy. Hes just buying up everything. Like Lee Bermejos Noel
BUTCHER
He bought the whole book?
CEBULSKI
He bought the whole book, from start to finish. 96-page graphic novel. Batman. I have no idea. He probably paid $100,000 for it at least.
Had no idea about the blog, but the article you posted is pretty much what I was talking about. An artist isn't going to spend a whole lot of time churning out an excess of pages each month for per-page rates when he can put more effort into fewer pages and sell them as "high art" to private collectors. You didn't have that option two decades ago, one decade even, so the only recourse for an artist to make money was to meet those deadlines and turn in more pages, which resulted in higher page counts.Must of been TToB than. But i found it after some digging into google
http://porkosity.blogspot.com/2012/03/fed-122-comic-scout-cb-cebulski.html
Here the part that mentions that