XIII-2 was AAA? Could have fooled me.
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Motomu Toriyama hints at a new Final Fantasy XIII in Ultimania Omega
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XIII-2 was AAA? Could have fooled me.
Well you gave it 80% so i'd say that's good enough for an AAA game
I don't think score is really important when it comes to that. Plenty of smaller B-tier games are just as great.
TheJollyCorner
Member
Can't wait for FFXIII-13!
Perfo
Thirteen flew over the cuckoo's nest
Not AAA like XIII, but I think we can still call it an AAA title considering the staff is pretty huge.
But nobody likes FF13-2 story, why should they care? lawl
Well, everything comes before Versus, so not surprised at all XD
Obviously, PS3 / 360, right?
Synless
Member
I thought the reason a lot of the original FFXIII staff wasn't in the credits was because they were shifted to Versus. I swear I read that somewhere, or was that just speculation?
Budget.
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MeisaMcCaffrey
It's related to the game budget and overall production values. I don't think it cost them a lot to make FFXIII-2.
They may put it on the Wii U as well!
Probably. I expect a ton of reused assets once again.
At this point, it's even possible a release for the end of the year, no? Since Square seems so active in destroying the brand, why not release just one year after FFXIII-2? XD
Considering there's no major Square game for that period announced so far...unless a DQVII 3DS remake appears.
Well, if Namco can do it with Tales...
Freyjadour
Member
Count me in this crowd as well. I enjoyed XIII-2 a lot after despising XIII, but let's move on already.
It's always the same execuse with it being a different team. The clear notion is that those from other teams could support the VS team to finish whatever they couldn't in over half a decade.-_- Either the versus team is incapable of doing it right or SE wants to lose more and more money with each passing month.
Sales will be the true indicator here. XIII-2 sold 1.6 million... down quite a bit from FFXIII's sell-through to consumers. About 25% of original buyers returned for the sequel... so how many of those will return for yet another sequel?
I'm all-in for XIII-3 as long as it's not affecting the release timeline for the inevitable XV, which I find a much more exciting concept.
Square-Enix... please release more games. This gen has been ridiculous. Very few games and most of them are of highly questionable quality. Their handheld games are mostly great, but console... totally the opposite. If this continues on into next gen I will be one sad puppy.
Square-Enix... please release more games. This gen has been ridiculous. Very few games and most of them are of highly questionable quality. Their handheld games are mostly great, but console... totally the opposite. If this continues on into next gen I will be one sad puppy.
Perfo
Thirteen flew over the cuckoo's nest
In any case is not that they're planning a XIII-4, it's obviously going to be the last unless they decide for a spin-off on handled later, but that will cost even less (a la Revenant Wings) so it'll not be important how much less it'll sell.
But expect to see this model applied to the future of every Final Fantasy, it's way more profitable to them than continuing other spin-offs series like Crystal Chronicles and Tactics. Fans should also be more satisfied actually.
UberTag
Member
The money question for me isn't whether or not FFXIII-3 will arrive before Versus (clearly it will) but whether FFXIII-4 will arrive before Versus.
Any word on FFXIII-4 fellas? I mean, really, why would Square Enix stop deep dicking us now after the triple assault delivered by XIII-2 (taking a dump on the first game's ending, lying about playable Lightning, CHANGE THE FUTURE... no, wait - TO BE CONTINUED, stripping out most of the first game's difficulty & strategic depth, teasing a conclusion after collecting all of the fragments in XIII-2, teasing a conclusion after purchasing tons of DLC episodes, etc.).
The only reason they won't run annual releases ala Call of Duty is that recycling assets is hard work.
No, XIII will be a trilogy when all is said and done. Or whatever.
UberTag
Member
Is that conclusive or just what Square is publically saying? Do we have a good reason to believe this will merely be a trilogy?
I mean, I would love it if they pull off a Xenosaga Episode 3, but how likely is that really?
sublimit
Banned
They are already working on it to wrap up the unfinished XIII-3 story.
as long as there are people buying this crap they'll keep on making them.
HamPster PamPster
Member
Wait, so FFXIII-3 is basically confirmed? I was still waiting for FFXIII-2 Game of the "Year" :: stifles laughter:: edition with all the stuff included
I wonder if they will go retail or a stand alone downloadable title
I wonder if they will go retail or a stand alone downloadable title
That's what I heard.
BlazingDarkness
Member
I'm excited too, 2 years in between big FF titles? Yes please
DR2K
Banned
If they can finally strt getting some good word of mouth probably more.
Perfo
Thirteen flew over the cuckoo's nest
Yeah probably XIII-3 – if it exists in the intended form – will indeed sell as much as XIII-2 if not just a bit less. I'm just curious to find out what type of release it'll get (an episodic DD model, a full retail one or an expansion pack?), who developed it (Tri-Ace still involved?) and when it'll release (spring 2013 ww? Seems a bit early to me though...).
BlazingDarkness
Member
It'll be a retail release, for sure
I'd say it will be released in between spring-summer worldwide 2013
Then Versus in the winter
Perfo
Thirteen flew over the cuckoo's nest
I'm so curious to find out what the fuck the Versus's team is doing all this time while Toriyama's one released in the same time frame three fucking main Final Fantasy. It's incredible even for a supporter super fanboy as I am.
Versus development started in 2010. 3 years to develop a game isn't unreasonable.
XIII-2 took nearly 2 years and it had the entire engine/most of the game systems in place.
Perfo
Thirteen flew over the cuckoo's nest
Pre-production surely started in 2008 already, if not earlier. Question is what Versus' team then DID between 2006 and 2010.
Anyway, let's not transform this in another topic about Versus. My mistake.
We celebrate Toriyama's masterful mind here!
BlazingDarkness
Member
Versus XIII still hadn't entered into full production as late as last July, time actually spent developing the game is pretty standard for an AAA RPG, it was all the fucking around they did before then that's prolonged the development.
I have no idea what they were doing in the years before now, lol
How much less it sells actually matters, because that determines how much more time and resources they're willing to sink into that particular IP. If they budget less and less for subsequent games, you're not going to get the quality you want or even another game.
Think about it this way: if 13-2 sold 25% of what 13 sold, then to make the same ratio of expenditure to profit they did off 13, they had to have spent only 25% of what they spent on 13. Even then, they sold only 25% of 13; that's not increased profit overall, but much decreased.
They should be making sequels with the expectation that their audience would have expanded from the previous game rather than with just the hope that the sequel will recoup more of the investment in the first game. Franchises with sequels this gen, like Uncharted, Gears, Asscreed, Elder Scrolls, Mass Effecttheir sequels earned more, not less.
The pattern thus far for the XIII series is that the sales of the previous game is a ceiling, not a floor. XIII-3 will most likely sell less.
PedroPanache
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You're all fools. It's obvious what's going on here. This is how Square-Enix selects their next president, by making a procession of sequels to a game nobody cares about, to, ultimately, ever diminishing returns. By the time FFXIII-17 rolls around, only 1 person will be interested in buying it. And that will be the new president of Square-Enix.
Perfo
Thirteen flew over the cuckoo's nest
You're forgetting the DLCs and the fact that building a Final Fantasy from zero now is a no-option for them. I think also it sold more than 25% of the original, unless you're comparing the actual data of XIII-2 with shipping numbers of XIII. Also, as I stated other times, this middle-budget sequels of XIII are replacing what originally were low-budget titles like the Crystal Chronicles and Tactics series, focusing the development on bigger products with higher chances of success being sequels (and in future maybe prequels) of main entries. It's a winning formula.
I don't quite understand this.
I realize that they want to develop games more efficiently. This generation was a disaster for SE's Japanese branch; development of their main games took way too long and other games such as Nier underperformed. So it's all but obvious that they need to change the way they make games drastically.
However, I'm not sure if developing yet another FF13 game is really what they should be doing. Okay, since they can re-use most of the assets it's easy money, but at the same time the name FF13 is simply toxic. Even FF fans dislike FF13 and the general gaming community seems to dislike it strongly -- it doesn't really matter whether or not FF13-2 was a better game or if FF13-3 might yet another step up. People don't care, they want to move on. The sales of FF13-2 already reflected that -- and it doesn't take a genius to see that FF13-3 will probably sell even less.
While making profits is obviously a good thing, SE seems to actively hurt the FF franchise with their behavior. It's becoming more and more of a laughing stock. Clinging to FF13 until the bitter end, FFVersus taking way too long, FFIV bombing so badly that it needed a complete make-over. I'm not sure if SE can bring the franchise on the right path again next-gen.
I realize that they want to develop games more efficiently. This generation was a disaster for SE's Japanese branch; development of their main games took way too long and other games such as Nier underperformed. So it's all but obvious that they need to change the way they make games drastically.
However, I'm not sure if developing yet another FF13 game is really what they should be doing. Okay, since they can re-use most of the assets it's easy money, but at the same time the name FF13 is simply toxic. Even FF fans dislike FF13 and the general gaming community seems to dislike it strongly -- it doesn't really matter whether or not FF13-2 was a better game or if FF13-3 might yet another step up. People don't care, they want to move on. The sales of FF13-2 already reflected that -- and it doesn't take a genius to see that FF13-3 will probably sell even less.
While making profits is obviously a good thing, SE seems to actively hurt the FF franchise with their behavior. It's becoming more and more of a laughing stock. Clinging to FF13 until the bitter end, FFVersus taking way too long, FFIV bombing so badly that it needed a complete make-over. I'm not sure if SE can bring the franchise on the right path again next-gen.
The "pattern" is one game. XIII was so universally despised that XIII-2's sales likely reflected the absolute minimum number of potential buyers. If XIII-3 is well-received critically then it has more potential.
This is also true. It could be game of the century and still get critically panned, just because reviewers will assuredly examine it with a negative attitude. (This is a not a criticism of game reviewers on my part, just an unavoidable fact of the human condition.)
The chances of XIII-3 being critically acclaimed is extremely low imo.
How about no?
The people who despised FFXIII and passed on FFXIII-2 because of it, aren't suddenly going to change their minds about the sub-series when FFXIII-3 is released. Especially because they'll be missing parts of the story... (a story they probably don't care for to begin with).
Perfo
Thirteen flew over the cuckoo's nest
Final Fantasy fans tend to doubt on the quality of the sequels in this series even when they're sequels to chapters beloved worldwide (like Final Fantasy X and its sequel, that sold way less). I think Square Enix will try harder and harder to change this, to change how sequels are perceived by fans. This is just the start in my opinion.
That's great, except that you're discounting the 85% of the world's gaming population that didn't play XIII in the first place. Believe it or not there is a gigantic subset of the population that will play games based on social cues like recommendations or review scores.
Synless
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Unlimited sales potential.