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Motomu Toriyama hints at a new Final Fantasy XIII in Ultimania Omega

That's great, except that you're discounting the 85% of the world's gaming population that didn't play XIII in the first place. Believe it or not there is a gigantic subset of the population that will play games based on social cues like recommendations or review scores.

The reviews for XIII-3 won't even that good so....
 
Well, I enjoyed Final Fantasy XIII-2 more than XIII so I guess they're kind of on the right track? FFXIII-2's ending was pretty hilarious. I don't know if I want to play a game with the paradigm shift system again - not because I don't like it, just because it'd be the third go 'round.

Oh Square, you so crazy.
 

laika09

Member
The reviews for XIII-3 won't even that good so....

The point is that XIII-3's potential is no more inherently limited by XIII's failure than XIII-2's was. If somebody bought XIII-2, then with 95% probability they will buy XIII-3. 1.5 million happens to be the baseline magic number of people in the world who will buy a AAA console Final Fantasy game no matter what. And if it gets good reviews then all the better.
 

Kagari

Crystal Bearer
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Hero

Member
FF9 and FF12 situation all over again.

Yeah, writing was on the wall it seems. Do FF fans really even want a XIII-3?

Anyone have a count on how many different Final Fantasy titles have been announced and released since Versus was shown off?
 
The point is that XIII-3's potential is no more inherently limited by XIII's failure than XIII-2's was. If somebody bought XIII-2, then with 95% probability they will buy XIII-3. 1.5 million happens to be the baseline magic number of people in the world who will buy a AAA console Final Fantasy game no matter what. And if it gets good reviews then all the better.

This is assuming that the people who bought 13-2 were people who were willing to give it a 2nd go and will definitely return for this. After how bad 13-2 sold in Japan and by the time this comes out the next gen consoles will probably be out in America I could easily see it doing less than a million WW.
 

laika09

Member
Yeah, writing was on the wall it seems. Do FF fans really even want a XIII-3?

Anyone have a count on how many different Final Fantasy titles have been announced and released since Versus was shown off?

FFXIII, FFXIII-2, FFXIV, Type-0, Dissidia, Dissidia 012, Theatrhythm, FFIVCC, FFIVDS, FFI PSP, FFII PSP, FFIII PSP, FFT: War of the Lions, Crisis Core, FF12 Revenant Wings, FFTA2, FF12IZJS, FFCC: Ring of Fates, FFCC: Echoes of Time, Chocobo's Dungeon... think that's it.

Oh, forgot 4 Warriors of Light. And Bravely Default since that's basically a 4WOL sequel.
 
Just go for it, SE. Kill the last bit of momentum the franchise had. May as well rename Versus to XIII-4 to make sure nobody buys that either.
 

Kagari

Crystal Bearer
Yeah, writing was on the wall it seems. Do FF fans really even want a XIII-3?

Anyone have a count on how many different Final Fantasy titles have been announced and released since Versus was shown off?

I don't. I want them to be done with the characters and world because they're just not that interesting. Move onto something new already - we've seen Lightning and co. for 6 years now and that's enough really.
 
Yeah, writing was on the wall it seems. Do FF fans really even want a XIII-3?

Anyone have a count on how many different Final Fantasy titles have been announced and released since Versus was shown off?

I do want an FFXIII-3, yeah

I'll probably never complete FFXIII, it's just that bad, but I thought XIII-2 was great and completed it in under a week, it was a pretty amazing feat considering it was essentially born from the crater that FFXIII created

I'm pretty optimistic for a third game, I'm one of the few people who do think SE has learnt from their mistakes this generation, and I think XIII-2 and XIV.20 appear to be the first proof of their redemption

It would be lovely to see a whole new world with new characters and a new story though, I look forward to whenever that happens. I think a part of me believes when they finally reveal Versus XIII again it will be substantially different to what we've seen of it prior to that time, and it will almost feel like a new FF in itself
 

DJIzana

Member
It's a lie... they're setting up XIV 2.0 as a new FF! :p

In all seriousness though I doubt I'll be getting XIII-3 if there is one. I hoped XIII-2 would've ended with DLC but hard to say at this point. What I'm really waiting for is another, darker, Final Fantasy. (Versus XIII.)
 

laika09

Member
This is assuming that the people who bought 13-2 were people who were willing to give it a 2nd go and will definitely return for this. After how bad 13-2 sold in Japan and by the time this comes out the next gen consoles will probably be out in America I could easily see it doing less than a million WW.

Yes that is my assumption. I really doubt that the number of people who liked XIII enough to buy its sequel but disliked XIII-2 enough not to buy its sequel is at all significant. I'll eat my gysahl greens if XIII-3 does less than, say, 85% of XIII-2, at absolute worst.

The only factor I didn't really consider was whether it gets released close enough to the PS4 launch to have its fate sealed.
 

LiK

Member
I don't. I want them to be done with the characters and world because they're just not that interesting. Move onto something new already - we've seen Lightning and co. for 6 years now and that's enough really.

they should just release the ending as a movie and move on and finish Versus.
 

Foffy

Banned
I expect the DLC to be much worse in XIII-3. Guess I'll hold back on even buying the game until all of its out, considering the massive holes they left in the original game pre-DLC.
 
I'm surprised so many people wouldn't want a XIII-3 following the ending of XIII-2, unless of course you're like Kagari and just don't care for the whole XIII world anymore.


After the WTF twist at the end, for me, the biggest injustice would be to wrap it up in some naff DLC, I'd rather have a new game
 

Perfo

Thirteen flew over the cuckoo's nest
Move onto something new already - we've seen Lightning and co. for 6 years now and that's enough really.

It seems you're assuming the development of XIII-2 and XIII-3 delayed Versus or XV, but that's probably not the case so I don't see the problem with them releasing more titles while the other teams work on the future of Final Fantasy.
 

laika09

Member
I expect the DLC to be much worse in XIII-3. Guess I'll hold back on even buying the game until all of its out, considering the massive holes they left in the original game pre-DLC.

What massive holes? XIII-2's DLC was the embodiment of fluff.
 

Toth

Member
I would love a FF13-3 to finish the series BUT I want to see more of the Fal Cie, the mythology, and the new Cocoon society. Maybe the War of Transgression. 13-2 did some expanding of the world of FF13 but left me wanting more.
 
I'm surprised so many people wouldn't want a XIII-3 following the ending of XIII-2, unless of course you're like Kagari and just don't care for the whole XIII world anymore.


After the WTF twist at the end, for me, the biggest injustice would be to wrap it up in some naff DLC, I'd rather have a new game

The story was over in the first game.
 

kayos90

Tragic victim of fan death
Yeah, writing was on the wall it seems. Do FF fans really even want a XIII-3?

Anyone have a count on how many different Final Fantasy titles have been announced and released since Versus was shown off?

Uh... no. I was done after the craptastic and convoluted junk that was XIII-2. Retconned all of freaking XIII and had the nerve to give us crap DLC practices and a horrible ending. So... yeah. I'm done with the XIII series. Just move on.
 
I wonder if Square is genuinely unaware that the continuation of Final Fantasy XIII is hurting their branding, or they are totally aware and think people will get over it by the time Versus and future games come out so they'll milk it all they want.
 

Kagari

Crystal Bearer
It seems you're assuming the development of XIII-2 and XIII-3 delayed Versus or XV, but that's probably not the case so I don't see the problem with them releasing more titles while the other teams work on the future of Final Fantasy.

That's not what I'm assuming at all.
 

Foffy

Banned
What massive holes? XIII-2's DLC was the embodiment of fluff.

I meant the fact you literally only enter the barren Colosseum for one minor fucking thing and the Historia Crux has three areas you can't even access without downloading the three DLC chapters. What made me lose my shit was when I wanted to learn the rules behind one of the casino games, and the game simply told me it was DLC. I actually got pretty mad. :<

I did like the game otherwise, cliffhanger notwithstanding.
 
I would love a FF13-3 to finish the series BUT I want to see more of the Fal Cie, the mythology, and the new Cocoon society. Maybe the War of Transgression. 13-2 did some expanding of the world of FF13 but left me wanting more.

I'd say the last third of XIII-2 starts to move more towards the mythology and whatnot, maybe it's a good indication of what to expect in the third game. It would be a good way to mix up the formula for sure
 
The worlds in FF13 has to be the least interesting setting in a FF game since the NES game. I would be happy if they finally ditched that nonsense without wrapping up whatever convoluted ending they have planned.
 

laika09

Member
I meant the fact you literally only enter the barren Colosseum for one minor fucking thing and the Historia Crux has three areas you can't even access without downloading the three DLC chapters. What made me lose my shit was when I wanted to learn the rules behind one of the casino games, and the game simply told me it was DLC. I actually got pretty mad. :<

I did like the game otherwise, cliffhanger notwithstanding.

Oh, I assumed you meant plot-wise.

It was kind of weird to require you to go to the Colosseum when you couldn't actually fight anything there, and same with including the blackjack tables. It's just inviting complaints. But out of the box it was definitely a complete game with $60 worth of content.
 
Well if you had, you would know it had an ending that left no room for a sequel at all.

I know the ending to XIII, yeah, and I know they pretty much butchered it to create the whole premise of the sequel, but I don't mind as I was never attached to the story/characters in the original game - maybe if I was I'd feel the same
If anything the sequel made me appreciate the original vision a little more, but I still enjoy the cruel ending they gave to everyone with XIII-2 :lol Maybe I'm just evil

KILL THEM ALL IN THE THIRD GAME :D
 
Oh, I assumed you meant plot-wise.

It was kind of weird to require you to go to the Colosseum when you couldn't actually fight anything there, and same with including the blackjack tables. It's just inviting complaints. But out of the box it was definitely a complete game with $60 worth of content.

$60 dollar worth of content is arguable.
 
Even when we get 8 hour action games these days? FF 13-2 had tons of sidequests, optional bosses and the different endings, plus the main game that takes at least 20 hours. Gameplay content was definitely worth 60$.

I reiterate, this is arguable.

You can get the same with 15 dollar games.
 

kayos90

Tragic victim of fan death
Even when we get 8 hour action games these days? FF 13-2 had tons of sidequests, optional bosses and the different endings, plus the main game that takes at least 20 hours. Gameplay content was definitely worth 60$.

So... quantity over quality? At least that's how it was in my eyes.
 
Yeah the game had plenty of content

The DLC fluff was pretty dumb, but I'm not confident SE really 'gets' DLC yet, I wasn't expecting anything special from it, and I'm kinda glad they didn't try and wrap up the plot by forcing us to buy the DLC
 

Hero

Member
It seems you're assuming the development of XIII-2 and XIII-3 delayed Versus or XV, but that's probably not the case so I don't see the problem with them releasing more titles while the other teams work on the future of Final Fantasy.

Pretty sure any effort, however minimal it might be to make FFXIII-3 would probably be better used elsewhere, whether it's a new Final Fantasy numbered game or a sequel to an older FF title that people actually care about.
 
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