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[GraveRobberX]

I'm not understanding why it's such a big deal if it crosses the avengers or not....?

Just the DC vs Marvel stuff or Super Hero/Comic Book Movie vs Super-Hero/Comic Book Movie

Same goes for COD vs BF
Coke vs Pepsi
etc.

Your choice vs My Choice, let's do this!

It just fun to rub it in the other camp

Now everyone will go quiet for awhile and it will come roaring back for Skyfall and The Hobbit

Not very hard to imagine why

 

[ViewtifulJC]

Total Recall looks like another slick-but-soulless Hollywood remake. The best thing about it's release is that it inspired the studios to give the original Total Recall a proper Blu-Ray transfer.

 

[Tobor]

Just the DC vs Marvel stuff or Super Hero/Comic Book Movie vs Super-Hero/Comic Book Movie

Same goes for COD vs BF
Coke vs Pepsi
etc.

Your choice vs My Choice, let's do this!

It just fun to rub it in the other camp

Now everyone will go quiet for awhile and it will come roaring back for Skyfall and The Hobbit

Not very hard to imagine why

Are those competing fan-camps? I'm interested in both.

 

[Tron 2.0]

Is that way nearly all outlets have different numbers ranging from 160-175?

Legitimate outlets, like The New York Times and (gulp) Deadline, are all reporting the same numbers.

"But the money at stake was too big for moviedom to ignore, and studio officials with access to box-office numbers provided them to The New York Times."

 

[Razgriz-Specter]

Coke vs Pepsi

Now thats not even a fight.

 

[schuelma]

Legitimate outlets, like The New York Times and (gulp) Deadline are all reporting the same numbers.

Yeah the only real disparity I've seen is a matter of 1-2 million at most. From 160-163 million seems to be the consensus.

 

[Good Job Bob]

Just the DC vs Marvel stuff or Super Hero/Comic Book Movie vs Super-Hero/Comic Book Movie

Same goes for COD vs BF
Coke vs Pepsi
etc.

Your choice vs My Choice, let's do this!

It just fun to rub it in the other camp

Now everyone will go quiet for awhile and it will come roaring back for Skyfall and The Hobbit

Not very hard to imagine why

Skyfall and The Hobbit? Why would their be a fanboy war between those two films?

One is about a short hairy old man going on a magical adventure in a fantasy land, and the other's The Hobbit.

 

[ViewtifulJC]

The only time I remember LotR fanbase competing with anybody was Harry Potter back in 2001.

It's almost funny to think a lot of people thought a Christopher Columbus' picture might box-out FotR for geeky Oscar contention. Oh, those were the days.

 

[Hero_of_the_Day]

I'm kind of curious if Rises will have less of a drop off next weekend as more people who were too freaked to go this weekend will get back to normal and go out and see it. I'm out of town, but my wife and her friend were going to see it today and they were both pretty freaked about it all and thinking about not going.

Not that I think it stood a chance of having the legs of Dark Knight to begin with since it seems the word of mouth is worse (but not bad).

Now thats not even a fight.

Damn right. Pepsi is the shit.

 

[Tobor]

Skyfall and The Hobbit? Why would their be a fanboy war between those two films?

One is about a short hairy old man going on a magical adventure in a fantasy land, and the other's The Hobbit.

Haha, good one, Bob.

 

[BobTheFork]

I'm not understanding why it's such a big deal if it crosses the avengers or not....?

Because it makes whomever supposed each movie 'right' in their internet arguments.

 

[TheAtomicPile]

To all those saying that the shooting didn't matter much and that $190 million was unrealistic: is it common for a movie like this to have a $30 million drop from Friday to Saturday?

(This is partly a jab, but also a legitimate question, because I have no idea how midnight release movies usually break down as far as daily gross.)

 

[GraveRobberX]

Are those competing fan-camps? I'm interested in both.

No, please read next comment, right below

Skyfall and The Hobbit? Why would their be a fanboy war between those two films?

One is about a short hairy old man going on a magical adventure in a fantasy land, and the others The Hobbit.

I'm saying the threads will pick up steam like how The Avengers and TDKR picked up

I'm not saying Skyfall vs The Hobbit, I'm saying the hype will come roaring back for these movies when they come and they will get matched up to their counter parts of yesteryear or with-in their genre

I should have worded it more better, sorry

When Skyfall over/under performs the Casino/QOS talk, and other stuff will be brought up, and from their talk can go anyway

 

[xaosslug]

Talking about numbers is fine. I just think that it matters very little considering whats happened this weekend.

did BO numbers talk ever matter, really, considering what happens in the world every day? Not really. But it's familiar, and it's something to do, and it's comforting.

hmmmm numbers are guesstimates pulled out of analysts ass , not by studios, I think we on GAF should have ALSO refrained from making this thread before Monday

err, weekend box office threads are ALWAYS built on 'guesstimates pulled out of analysts ass'. It's just now the firm that officially makes the asstimates, so to speak, will not be releasing any this week. The thread will be updated Monday, as real numbers come in.

 

[planar1280]

Just an FYI on international numbers

TDKR opened higher than TDK did. tracking to do 600+ million OS at the end of its run

did BO numbers talk ever matter, really, considering what happens in the world every day? Not really. But it's familiar, and it's something to do, and it's comforting.



err, weekend box office threads are ALWAYS built on 'guesstimates pulled out of analysts ass'. It's just now the firm that officially makes the asstimates, so to speak, will not be releasing any this week. The thread will be updated Monday, as real numbers come in.

Exhibitor Relations ‏@ERCboxoffice
There will be no official box office estimates today...

NEW YORK (AP) — Hollywood studios aligned in a rare show of solidarity to give their weekend box-office reporting a rest because of the shootings in Colorado at a screening of "The Dark Knight Rises."
Sony, Fox, Disney, Universal, Fox and Lionsgate said Saturday that they are joining "Dark Knight Rises" distributor Warner Bros. in withholding their box-office numbers for the weekend.
Warner Bros. announced Friday that it would forgo the usual revenue reports until Monday out of respect for the victims and their families in the shooting that killed 12 and wounded 58 at the midnight show earlier in the day.
The other studios said they also would not be reporting numbers until Monday. Paramount didn't immediately say whether they were joining. Box-office tracking service Rentrak said it would not report figures this weekend.

 

[Hero_of_the_Day]

To all those saying that the shooting didn't matter much and that $190 million was unrealistic: is it common for a movie like this to have a $30 million drop from Friday to Saturday?

(This is partly a jab, but also a legitimate question, because I have no idea how midnight release movies usually break down as far as daily gross.)

Anyone thinking it didn't have an effect are just wrong. I doubt it was that big, but people were fucking freaked (I already shared my anecdotal evidence of wife and friend not wanting to go see it). Plus, they pulled all adds from TV. That's a pretty huge thing to have a movie just go dark like that. Curious if they'll start showing them again this week or next.

 

[xaosslug]

Exhibitor Relations ‏@ERCboxoffice
There will be no official box office estimates today...

yeah, I just posted that in reply to you. And again: it's ALL estimation until Monday. Tho, some are more official than others. ;-)

 

[Tron 2.0]

Just an FYI on international numbers

TDKR opened higher than TDK did. tracking to do 600+ million OS at the end of its run

Wait, so *now* you believe the numbers?

Exhibitor Relations ‏@ERCboxoffice
There will be no official box office estimates today...

Ugh, I give up.

 

[planar1280]

Wait, so *now* you believe the numbers?

Ugh, I give up.

OS numbers are provided internationally..lol...OS stands for Overseas.

 

[Tron 2.0]

OS numbers are provided internationally..lol...OS stands for Overseas.

Who do you think provides those numbers? Rentrak. The same company you say is not reporting estimates.

 

[planar1280]

Who do you think provides those numbers? Rentrak. The same company you say is not reporting estimates.

Rentrack is domestic.

 

[Wilsongt]

My question was answered right above me.

 

[Tron 2.0]

Rentrack is domestic.

http://rentrak.com/section/media/box_office/index.html

http://www.deadline.com/2012/07/rentrak-wont-release-worldwide-grosses-this-weekend/

I'm begging you to please stop talking like an authority on things you don't know enough about.

 

[G-Fex]

Way to drag the thread down Bob. Why don't you chill out a bit?

 

[XiaNaphryz]

Rentrack is domestic.

They do both:

Today, Rentrak serves every major studio, mini-major and prominent independent film distributor in the industry and firmly stands as the trusted global standard for worldwide box office reporting.

Rentrak International Box Office Essentials is the theatrical industry's single source for comprehensive worldwide box office intelligence. Boasting a footprint that covers 90% of the global theatrical market, Rentrak, through our International Box Office service, is able to provide our clients with box office grosses in 30 countries across five continents, streamlined through one unique system, to which all data providers across the globe can adhere.

 

[xaosslug]

planar1280 and Good Job Bob I just think it's REALLY classy the way you both are using the shooting massacre to push your obvious Batgendas.

 

[Solo]

This movie will not have the legs that TDK and Avengers had.

It will have HUGE legs. A ton of people didn't go see it this weekend. They still want to. Second weekend will be MASSIVE.

BTW this "small" OW is still third biggest ever :lol

$162M would have easily been $190M-$200M had the shooting not happened. The shooting happened, and it is incredibly tragic. But eventually all those people who planned to see this movie this weekend and didn't will.

 

[metalslimer]

Is Skyfall vs The Hobbit even a legit fight? How much did the last Bond movie earn?

 

[MechDX]

Never saw the Avengers myself, but I imagine that more than a few posters secretly hoped for the Avengers to beat TDKR simply because how Wheadon and his movie was genereally mocked around here back in April, and because of how TDKR was hyped to be the second comming, both in terms of gross and critical acclaim.

Nailed it! Bob trolled the hell out of ANY thread that had "Avengers" in the title. He stopped for a while when a mod warned him that he was being too obvious.

 

[TheKaeptain]

Can we talk about how those numbers are really good for a non-3d movie?



Also, GJB if you're going to troll you have to stop getting so worked up when people dispute what you say.

 

[G-Fex]

planar1280 and Good Job Bob I just think it's REALLY classy the way you both are using the shooting massacre to push your obvious Batgendas.

In a way I sorta knew some people wouldnt be ready for BO discussion this week.

 

[Tron 2.0]

Is Skyfall vs The Hobbit even a legit fight? How much did the last Bond movie earn?

It's not really. Not in North America, anyway.

No Bond film has ever passed $200 million domestically, but they do extremely well internationally.

 

[gimmmick]

To all those saying that the shooting didn't matter much and that $190 million was unrealistic: is it common for a movie like this to have a $30 million drop from Friday to Saturday?

(This is partly a jab, but also a legitimate question, because I have no idea how midnight release movies usually break down as far as daily gross.)

It will have HUGE legs. A ton of people didn't go see it this weekend. They still want to. Second weekend will be MASSIVE.

BTW this "small" OW is still third biggest ever :lol

$162M would have easily been $190M-$200M had the shooting not happened. The shooting happened, and it is incredibly tragic. But eventually all those people who planned to see this movie this weekend and didn't will.

The fact of the matter is, 200 million was never going to happen, even if the shooting never happened. Everyone will play the "what if" card, but the fact of the matter tis, the movie just wasn't as good as the second, and surely wasn't as good as the avengers imo.

I remember reading the BO thread when avengers came out, I think majority of the people said "Just wait for TDKR to release".

 

[Messofanego]

BOX OFFICE threads are serious business.

 

[GraveRobberX]

Can we talk about how those numbers are really good for a non-3d movie?

They are really good

If no 3D, The Avengers and The Dark Knight Rises would be so close, so so close
Harry Potter DHII 3D added a nice bump to it, and we can see how it did for The Avengers

TDKR will do really well, the word of mouth will make those who procrastinated to go

 

[3N16MA]

I'm not getting into the Marvel vs. DC thing as I enjoyed the Avengers (saw it twice) and will watch TDKR tomorrow (my most anticipated film of 2012). However if these numbers hold up for TDKR or even if it goes up slightly, it is clear that the Aurora tragedy played a factor in the OW gross. When the numbers come in at the low end of the studios estimate then you know something is up. All tracking heading into the weekend had it hitting $180M and possibly $190M+. It was always going to be difficult to top the Avengers OW gross but not too difficult to sell more tickets.

This is a MIB2 to MIB3 level increase. There is no way TDKR was going to only grow 3-4% from TDK on OW.

 

[bill0527]

Never saw the Avengers myself, but I imagine that more than a few posters secretly hoped for the Avengers to beat TDKR simply because how Wheadon and his movie was genereally mocked around here back in April, and because of how TDKR was hyped to be the second comming, both in terms of gross and critical acclaim.

There was nothing secret about it.

Blood was spilled on these forums during the run-up to The Avengers release, and even more so during its amazing opening and continued amazing run.

 

[Solo]

The fact of the matter is, 200 million was never going to happen, even if the shooting never happened. Everyone will play the "what if" card, but the fact of the matter tis, the movie just wasn't as good as the second, and surely wasn't as good as the avengers imo.

The fact of the matter is that OW gross is driven almost entirely off of hype from the previous film. TDK was a MASSIVE hit (which is glaringly obvious from the fact that TDKR just beat its OW despite a massive drop in overall attendance this weekend) and under normal circumstances, TDKR would have made many more millions than it did.

The studio was tracking it at $170M, and studios ALWAYS lowball. $200M was in play.

 

[Reiko]

To all those saying that the shooting didn't matter much and that $190 million was unrealistic: is it common for a movie like this to have a $30 million drop from Friday to Saturday?

(This is partly a jab, but also a legitimate question, because I have no idea how midnight release movies usually break down as far as daily gross.)

Word of mouth will bring more people back in the theater.

 

[schuelma]

I think the shootings impacted the really casual crowd most of all- the type that might not have a huge interest in the movie but wanted to be part of an event. That excitement was shattered Friday morning.

 

[GraveRobberX]

The fact of the matter is that OW gross is driven almost entirely off of hype from the previous film. TDK was a MASSIVE hit (which is glaringly obvious from the fact that TDKR just beat its OW despite a massive drop in overall attendance this weekend) and under normal circumstances, TDKR would have made many more millions than it did.

The marketing push the last week before release was INSANE!

The HYPE was off the charts, the tragedy hampered that hella' quick

It was almost like Friday to Saturday, like 50% drop off, usually that doesn't happen

TDKR will reach 1 billion, WOM and repeat viewings will

Nothing can really knock out TDKR that much

Total Recall might push it off #1, but there are legs to this movie

 

[3N16MA]

I think the shootings impacted the really casual crowd most of all- the type that might not have a huge interest in the movie but wanted to be part of an event. That excitement was shattered Friday morning.

Did not help that CNN ran headlines stating "Batman movie massacre."

 

[schuelma]

Did not help that CNN ran headlines stating "Batman movie massacre."

Right. The casual connotation with the movie was not positive at all. Add the pulling of ads and there was absolutely a significant impact.

 

[Solo]

I think the shootings impacted the really casual crowd most of all- the type that might not have a huge interest in the movie but wanted to be part of an event. That excitement was shattered Friday morning.

According to reports, the shooting didn't stop the biggest demo, 20-40 males, from going, but it did stop families from going. Understandably so.

 

[bill0527]

I think the shootings impacted the really casual crowd most of all- the type that might not have a huge interest in the movie but wanted to be part of an event. That excitement was shattered Friday morning.

Good observation.

I went ahead and saw it Friday afternoon and took my kids with me, but I certainly wasn't in a movie-going mood. I enjoyed the movie, but with all of it hanging in my mind, I don't think I enjoyed it as much as I would have, plus I spent most of the movie trying to keep one eye on the screen and one eye watching the exits and anyone who got up and moved around or walked out during the film.

 

[jakncoke]

you're doing exactly the same just the other way around, which is disgusting.

bob so salty avengers didnt get surpassed. cant wait to see weeks 2 till its out and see his anger on it not passing avengers. i contributed to tdkr on sat, 1015 show, wasnt that many in there. about 25 in a 120 or theater

 

[~Kinggi~]

planar1280 and Good Job Bob I just think it's REALLY classy the way you both are using the shooting massacre to push your obvious Batgendas.

I dont know about agendas but its a fact the shooting had a negative effect on attendance. How much would be the question, but given the tragic nature of it many arent going to be fighting that fight. Still, I personally know someone who wasn't going to go because they said they just weren't feeling the movies this weekend after the downer news. I know i feklt even bummed about it, and i saw the midnight showing. Other friend was also convinced that this would deifnitely hurt it.

I think long term however if there arent copycats that things will balance themselves out potentially.

 

[Fezan]

Spider man drop is troubling to see!
TDKR has a great start.Word of mouth will help it a lot

 

[Lionel Mandrake]

This is the least fun BO discussion ever.

 

[jerry1594]

Does anyone else think that the shooting will help sales in the coming weeks? Now the movie is more than a big media event, it's part of a national tragedy, at least in my opinion.