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Gunman kills twelve at theater in Aurora Colorado

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rabhw

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spindashing said:
Is it really wrong of me to want someone to interview him so that we could get more information on a:

- Motive.
- History of his life through his perspective.

I don't know, I just would like to learn more about the guy. #MorbidCuriosity
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I'm.....kinda the same way. I guess I'm just fascinated by the human mind. Looking at pictures of the dude when he enrolled a year ago, to how he was just before the shooting (dating profiles, etc.), to how he is now. Such a rapid decline, it's....yeah..

I know it doesn't do any good, he'll be in prison, etc etc. But I guess just from a psychological / scientific perspective, I'd like to know if there was a breaking point, etc.
 
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Daydream Sequence

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A WallStreet Journal editor tweeted:

"I hope the girls whose boyfriends died to save them were worthy of the sacrifice,"
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Classy.

After people rightly got pissed at him, he responded with:

We intended this to be thought-provoking, but to judge by the response, very few people received it that way. The vast majority found it offensive and insulting. This column has often argued that a failure of public communication is the fault of the public communicator, and that's certainly true in this case. What follows is an attempt to answer for this failure with a circumspect accounting of our thoughts.
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These three women owe their lives to their men. That debt can never be repaid in kind, because life is for the living and cannot be returned to the dead. The closest they can come to redeeming it is to use the gift of their survival well--to live good, full, happy lives.
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Ember128

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Just imagine, this guy could have been prevented from carrying out this act by at least the package sitting in a mailroom. Sad.
 
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wondermega

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spindashing said:
Is it really wrong of me to want someone to interview him so that we could get more information on a:

- Motive.
- History of his life through his perspective.

I don't know, I just would like to learn more about the guy. #MorbidCuriosity
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I understand. It's a very fascinating story in a lot of ways. The guy doesn't fit the normal expected description of what is generally accepted as a maniacal killer. The story is full of twists and turns. It's interesting.. although very sad, depressing on all levels. I am sure the psychiatric community will have a field day with this.

As for the package, this blows my mind (yeah, more twists and turns right there). What a horrible footnote in the story, to think that he sent a warning ahead of time to a place where it could have directly prevented everything, and for no good reason it just sat there unanswered. As usual, this is breaking and there's no firm details put out yet so it's not really going to do any good to jump to conclusions/point fingers. Feels awful to think of it though.
 
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Jokergrin

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AstroLad

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animlboogy said:
I just want to know if it was schizophrenia or psychopathy. I'm leaning towards psychopathy. I hope that gets attention in this case, unlike with Eric Harris after the Columbine shooting. I honestly don't think many people know what a psychopath actually is, how common they are, and how to spot them. If we can get good out of this case, it would be heightened awareness of those facts.

I have a loose interest in the details, probably just out of curiosity. But more than anything (because I have a brother who exhibits strong signs of psychopathy), I just want more people to learn about psychopathy, from the neurological differences to the way they fake emotional behavior either for their own entertainment or for some nefarious goal. Most of them don't kill, but a killer happens to be a good chance to highlight these observable differences in behavior and find ways to manage these people in our lives.
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did you ever read this article? http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/13/m...a-9-year-old-a-psychopath.html?pagewanted=all
 
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Kentpaul

When keepin it real goes wrong. Very, very wrong.
There will be documentaries made about him for years to come. You will find what your looking for there.
 
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MThanded

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James Holmes Bought Rifle After Failing Oral Exam at University of Colorado

Accused movie theater gunman James Holmes purchased a high-powered rifle hours after failing a key oral exam at the University of Colorado, ABC News has learned.

Holmes added the weapon to his already growing arsenal June 7, hours after he took a key oral exam at the college. ABC News station KMGH-TV in Denver reported that he failed the exam. Three days later, he dropped out of the neurosciences program with no explanation.

Holmes, 24, is being held without bond in connection with the shooting, which left 12 people dead and 58 injured July 20 during a midnight screening of "The Dark Knight Rises."

Experts say it's possible Holmes had an underlying mental illness that was triggered by the stress of failure.

"All of those things could actually make dormant schizophrenia come out, and come out relatively quickly," said Marisa Randazzo, a psychologist who studies targeted violence.

Using the kinds of guns Holmes allegedly fired requires training and practice, and law enforcement officials are now trying to figure out where and with whom.
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http://abcnews.go.com/US/james-holm...xam-university/story?id=16850268#.UBBgUand2sw
 
Emerson

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animlboogy said:
I just want to know if it was schizophrenia or psychopathy. I'm leaning towards psychopathy. I hope that gets attention in this case, unlike with Eric Harris after the Columbine shooting. I honestly don't think many people know what a psychopath actually is, how common they are, and how to spot them. If we can get good out of this case, it would be heightened awareness of those facts.

I have a loose interest in the details, probably just out of curiosity. But more than anything (because I have a brother who exhibits strong signs of psychopathy), I just want more people to learn about psychopathy, from the neurological differences to the way they fake emotional behavior either for their own entertainment or for some nefarious goal. Most of them don't kill, but a killer happens to be a good chance to highlight these observable differences in behavior and find ways to manage these people in our lives.
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I think it's important here to mind the distinction between a sociopath and a psychopath (even though neither are strictly medical terms). Though both are in essence antisocial personality disorder, the latter is a term that includes connotations of violent behavior. But I absolutely share your fascination with the subject.
 
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Daydream Sequence

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I was thrown off by the anchor's makeup.

He makes some good points, but when they show the list of mass shootings in the US, doesn't it undercut his point when there's often 5-10 years between each one? That's hardly an epidemic, is it? Am I horribly misguided here? Blaming movies, games, music (media that's consumed at a staggering rate) for something that doesn't occur with any real regularity seems....off. If I'm wrong, please educate me.
 
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Pandemic

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...ting-victims/2012/07/25/gJQATNms9W_story.html

DENVER — Three hospitals taking care of people wounded in the Colorado theater shooting said Wednesday they will limit or completely wipe out medical bills for the victims.

Some victims, many of them young, are uninsured and face mounting hospital bills.

Children’s Hospital Colorado announced it would use donations and its charity care fund to cover the medical expenses of the uninsured. For those who do have insurance, the hospital says it will waive all co-pays for shooting victims it is treating

“We are committed to supporting these families as they heal,” according to a statement from the hospital, which treated six shooting victims.

HealthOne, which owns the Medical Center of Aurora and Swedish Medical Center, also says it will limit or eliminate charges based on the individual circumstances of the patients. Those hospitals have treated 22 shooting victims.
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Parch

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BruiserBear said:
I don't know why anyone is even bothering to discuss what hurts or helps his case. This is not the kind of situation where the outcome is unknown in any way. He will be in prison the rest of his life.
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I think the injustice happens if this guy is allowed to live, so how the whole insanity situation plays out is important.
 
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cpp_is_king

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Parch said:
I think the injustice happens if this guy is allowed to live, so how the whole insanity situation plays out is important.
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I'm a big supporter of the China methodology. More, quicker death penalties. Make it happen immediately. You'll probably get a few false positives in the process, but people won't fuck around nearly as much. Arrested, trial, dead. Over within a week.

I know not everyone agrees with me
 
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MThanded said:
“Inside the package was a notebook full of details about how he was going to kill people,” the source told FoxNews.com. “There were drawings of what he was going to do in it -- drawings and illustrations of the massacre."

Among the images shown in the spiral-bound notebook’s pages were gun-wielding stick figures blowing away other stick figures.
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Police and FBI agents were called to the University of Colorado Anschutz medical campus in Aurora on Monday morning after the psychiatrist, who is also a professor at the school, reported receiving a package believed to be from the suspect. Although that package turned out to be from someone else and harmless, a search of the Campus Services' mailroom turned up another package sent to the psychiatrist with Holmes’ name in the return address, the source told FoxNews.com.

A second law enforcement source said authorities got a warrant from a county judge and took the package away Monday night. When it was opened, its chilling contents were revealed.

“There were drawings of what he was going to do in it--drawings and illustrations of the massacre."

“Inside the package was a notebook full of details about how he was going to kill people,” the source told FoxNews.com. “There were drawings of what he was going to do in it -- drawings and illustrations of the massacre."
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Errr what? So the psychiatrist thought a package was from Holmes, but it wasn't, but COINCIDENTALLY another one was and it contained a notebook with plans to kill people?

Other sites report that it was Holmes who told police about the existence of the package:

The FBI recovered a package that apparently was mailed by James Eagan Holmes after the shooting suspect told investigators to look for the item on the University of Colorado Anschutz Medical Campus, a senior law enforcement official told NBC News on Wednesday.
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http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/201...used-aurora-shooter-leads-fbi-to-package?lite
 
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cpp_is_king

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Ether_Snake said:
Errr what? So the psychiatrist thought a package was from Holmes, but it wasn't, but COINCIDENTALLY another one was and it contained a notebook with plans to kill people?
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It doesn't say who believed it to be from holmes. could be the doctor called up and said "I got a weird package". maybe it didn't have a return address so the Feds thought it was from holmes and turned out not to be.
 
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JumpingTheGun

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animlboogy said:
No, I haven't read that before. Thank you for the link.
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By the time he turned 5, Michael had developed an uncanny ability to switch from full-blown anger to moments of pure rationality or calculated charm — a facility that Anne describes as deeply unsettling. “You never know when you’re going to see a proper emotion,” she said. She recalled one argument, over a homework assignment, when Michael shrieked and wept as she tried to reason with him. “I said: ‘Michael, remember the brainstorming we did yesterday? All you have to do is take your thoughts from that and turn them into sentences, and you’re done!’ He’s still screaming bloody murder, so I say, ‘Michael, I thought we brainstormed so we could avoid all this drama today.’ He stopped dead, in the middle of the screaming, turned to me and said in this flat, adult voice, ‘Well, you didn’t think that through very clearly then, did you?’ ”

fuuuuuuuuucccccckkkkk
 
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Black-Box

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LQX said:
Can I ask the reason for a question like that?
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I am wondering if you guys are any different from Canada. I wanted to compare our recent days of shootings to your shooting and I wanted to see if which story would be in the top news longer, since they are having the same kind of effect in each country
 
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AliceAbstract

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Daydream Sequence said:
A WallStreet Journal editor tweeted:

"I hope the girls whose boyfriends died to save them were worthy of the sacrifice,"
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Classy.

After people rightly got pissed at him, he responded with:

We intended this to be thought-provoking, but to judge by the response, very few people received it that way. The vast majority found it offensive and insulting. This column has often argued that a failure of public communication is the fault of the public communicator, and that's certainly true in this case. What follows is an attempt to answer for this failure with a circumspect accounting of our thoughts.
...

These three women owe their lives to their men. That debt can never be repaid in kind, because life is for the living and cannot be returned to the dead. The closest they can come to redeeming it is to use the gift of their survival well--to live good, full, happy lives.
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The wording on that whole 'apology' is really disgusting, and does nothing to lighten the sting of his original words. That's just trying to make the victims feel guilty, when they already must be dealing with so much.
 
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News Bot

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Has this been posted yet? Apparently he isn't the best-of-the-best honor student he was initially reported as.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57479689/holmes-academic-reputation-called-into-question/

Even though a California administrator described Holmes as a "top of the top" honors student, a former researcher at Salk told the Los Angeles Times that Holmes wasn't a good worker and shouldn't have ever been accepted into the summer program.

"His grades were mediocre. I've heard him described as brilliant. This is extremely inaccurate," John Jacobson said.

Jacobson, who Holmes listed as a mentor but said he merely ran the lab in which Holmes worked,, said he was accepted into the camp because he had a background in computer programming. But when he was tasked with writing code for an experiment, he failed.

"What he gave me was a complete mess," he told the paper.

Another researcher at Salk said Holmes had acquired a reputation as a "dolt," though he admitted he never knew Holmes personally.
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David Eagleman, who currently runs the Initiative on Neuroscience and the Law at Baylor University, said a widely circulated video of Holmes making a presentation at the institute was misleading. Eagleman said the words were prepared by his advisers.

"He was just given the presentation to read," Eagleman told USA Today. "He wasn't any sort of superscientist when he was 18."
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Skeyser

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News Bot said:
Has this been posted yet? Apparently he isn't the best-of-the-best honor student he was initially reported as.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57479689/holmes-academic-reputation-called-into-question/
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"Also, CBS News senior correspondent John Miller reported that the shooter had a hit ratio twice of what a police officer might have engaging with armed assailants in a street setting. That suggests that the suspect -- who is believed to have planned his assault with precision -- must have practiced shooting prior to the attack."

From the same link.

Is it complete non-sense to anyone else? What does shooting at armed assailants in a street setting have anything to do with shooting bunched up and unarmed people all trying to escape from the same exit?
 
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Skeyser said:
"Also, CBS News senior correspondent John Miller reported that the shooter had a hit ratio twice of what a police officer might have engaging with armed assailants in a street setting. That suggests that the suspect -- who is believed to have planned his assault with precision -- must have practiced shooting prior to the attack."

From the same link.

Is it complete non-sense to anyone else? What does shooting at armed assailants in a street setting have anything to do with shooting bunched up and unarmed people all trying to escape from the same exit?
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Yeah it's bullshit, he could have shot anywhere in there and hit a target. Dumb stats.
 
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cpp_is_king

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News Bot said:
Has this been posted yet? Apparently he isn't the best-of-the-best honor student he was initially reported as.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57479689/holmes-academic-reputation-called-into-question/
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I think people are mixing up two different things. He was clearly the "best of the best" pre grad school. Probably before he moved to Colorado. Something happened during that time that set him on a path of self-destruction, and his mental stability as well as obviously his academic performance suffered as a result of it. To the people that met him after this mental breakdown had set its course, of course they didn't see him as brilliant.
 
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BobTheFork

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So I went to see the movie in downtown Denver today. About 90 minutes in, the power went out in the whole theater. Now this is a theater in an outdoor mall. It's up on the third floor so there aren't any back entrances or exits by the screen. It didn't really occur to me at first since I thought they just screwed up but when everything went dark and an usher suddenly came in quickly through the entrance, a few people really got scared and got on the floor. It was kind of surreal.
 
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was thinking the other day, that while I'm generally opposed to the death penalty, I really wouldn't mind in the case of spree killers. fuck it if they're crazy, just make it like dealing with terrorists, no questions, death every time once their actions are proven beyond doubt.

who gives a toss if they were bullied or unstable, just quick to the needle IMO.
 
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BobTheFork

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catfish said:
was thinking the other day, that while I'm generally opposed to the death penalty, I really wouldn't mind in the case of spree killers. fuck it if they're crazy, just make it like dealing with terrorists, no questions, death every time once their actions are proven beyond doubt.

who gives a toss if they were bullied or unstable, just quick to the needle IMO.
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Yeah, that's where my opposition to the death penalty breaks down. In cases like this I think you have given up your right to continue living, and letting them have a crappy life in prison till they die doesn't sit right with me. He was intelligent enough to carefully rig his house with traps but the endless debate become did they really understand what they were doing. Have a trail, be humane with his death but just be rid of him.
 
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