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NFL 2012 Week 1 |OT| A New Hope
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He really struggled with out routes. I think he also passed up on a few throws because he still isn't sure what he is capable of. Lucky for him he has some big bodies who run good routes.
I was sleeping during the whole thing.
Dutch Gronk
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DeaconKnowledge
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Basically what Ez said. Manning has to push the ball to get movement on it for longer throws, something he never had to do before. It was most apparent on his out routes and even those hung more than they used to.
Arm strength is overrated anyway, shy of the odd throw down the seam Manning's game doesn't really rely on the deep pass.
Fellas, please explain something to me as someone who hasn't watched many Saints games. In the days leading up to this game, I heard about how the Saints were gonna destroy RGIII. That, the dome was going to be his undoing. All the analysts had him throwing 2+ interceptions. Most predictions had them scoring 17 points.
Now that RGIII performed in the manner in which he done, it's turned to, the Saints defense is garbage? Which one is it? Is the Saints defense bad, is it good, mediocre?
I totally agree that expectations need to be tempered, nor do I believe that RGIII is the next coming of Christ either. I believe that more credit needs to go to the Skins defense that held Bree's to a bad completion percentage, that the defense didn't allow a lot of 3rd down completions. I think that the OC called a great game for RGIII.
This avatar fit you so well, you should keep it.
The_Darkest_Red
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Gotcha, I didn't really notice that. His accuracy and timing looked pretty solid, though.
We'll do another bet if the 49ers/Packers meet up in the playoffs.
DeaconKnowledge
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The Saints D is bad and it has always been bad. The reason the Saints are so dangerous in the dome is because of the offense. They grind up the score which allows the D to take chances at turnovers, and what's his face at DC, bounty hunter Jones, didn't care about stops as much as he did turning the ball over.
Yup, he was very accurate and obviously his decision making was great (I think he had one throw early that was just a flat misread but other than that spot on). My concern is more going forward as teams realize they probably don't need to bring in additional dbacks or that they can blitz and sky their safeties.
Pretty sure it stems from the Superdome being a loud hostile environment for any opposing QB coupled with a Saints D that's lived or died by the turnover the past few years. It's arguable they have even less incentive to perform this year too.
DeaconKnowledge
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He's Peyton Manning. Until he literally can't throw the ball anymore those things will always be good.
I am starting to think we struck out on the extensions to Troy and the money we paid to Timmons. Both guys were invisible last night. Both are supposed to be superstars and neither played like it. Timmons has kind of sucked for awhile, but the decline of Troy is starting to scare me.
Peyton's arm had no strength and yet he just picked our defense apart in the no huddle. We had no answers. Hopefully things get a little better once Harrison and Clark come back. LeBeau's calling was kind of putrid too. I did not understand all those weird blitzes. I don't think a single one worked after the 1st quarter. And that is the worst thing to do to Peyton. You are supposed to make him dink and dunk and hope either your base defense can get to him and make a play or he gets frustrate. All out blitzing against good qb's is always a really bad idea...
I wonder how Peyton is going to do later in the year though. Not every defense is going to be as horrible as ours and it is not going to be as easy to throw the ball outside in the winter.
On the other side I liked the way Ben played for 3.5 quarters. Dude was so money on 3rd down and kept bailing us out. I don't know if our running attack is that bad or the Broncos defense is that good, but I hope it gets better and soon. Redman was garbage last night. And I wonder how effective Mendy is going to be when he comes back...
Peyton's arm had no strength and yet he just picked our defense apart in the no huddle. We had no answers. Hopefully things get a little better once Harrison and Clark come back. LeBeau's calling was kind of putrid too. I did not understand all those weird blitzes. I don't think a single one worked after the 1st quarter. And that is the worst thing to do to Peyton. You are supposed to make him dink and dunk and hope either your base defense can get to him and make a play or he gets frustrate. All out blitzing against good qb's is always a really bad idea...
I wonder how Peyton is going to do later in the year though. Not every defense is going to be as horrible as ours and it is not going to be as easy to throw the ball outside in the winter.
On the other side I liked the way Ben played for 3.5 quarters. Dude was so money on 3rd down and kept bailing us out. I don't know if our running attack is that bad or the Broncos defense is that good, but I hope it gets better and soon. Redman was garbage last night. And I wonder how effective Mendy is going to be when he comes back...
With the way the league is going, he might live beyond that if they decide to allow for in-play audio (a few coaches execs have floated it).
The_Darkest_Red
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If his arm strength was something like 60% it would probably severely hurt his accuracy and timing. The whole point I was originally responding to was you saying his arm was "gone," haha.
Brady's arm is gone, Manning's is just shot.
Alligatorjandro
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Bills suck
I didn't see Peyton throw any good looking long balls last night.
His longest reception was on a dump off that went the distance.
He was not beating us with his arm last night, he was beating us with his brain. But like I said not every defense is going to be that bad. If they get some breaks I could still see them winning it all, but that is true of A LOT of teams in the NFL.
OriginofHysteria
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So who didn't start Peterson in their fantasy league yesterday? Just so I don't feel like the only idiot.
The_Darkest_Red
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One of my friends started the Bills D in two fantasy leagues.
Fair enough, I guess I just got too hung up on the word "gone."
Dutch Gronk
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Victory Red
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I got chills watching the Broncos highlights today. (Was too drunk yesterday to watch.)
To see Peyton come to the line of scrimmage, audible, command, then execute is such a beautiful thing to watch. He's going to elevate that team's drive and morale to another level.
Welcome back Peyton.
To see Peyton come to the line of scrimmage, audible, command, then execute is such a beautiful thing to watch. He's going to elevate that team's drive and morale to another level.
Welcome back Peyton.
The Morgan Burnett Experience is pretty awesome too. Where will he be on this play? Who knows!? No one! Does he? Doubt it!!
If you won't to win the SB you want to suck until Thanksgiving and barely get by each week. Then become a different team in the postseason and win 3 games on the road.
At least that is what I keep telling myself...
One of my friends started the Bills D in two fantasy leagues.
Fair enough, I guess I just got too hung up on the word "gone."
I did. -2 :/
Still think I'm gonna win this week, barring the greatest game from a kicker in "all of creation."
I didn't :/ Started Trent Richardson and Pierre Thomas.
Thank Jeebus for Matt Ryan, Julio Jones, Andre Johnson, and Finley from GB.
The_Darkest_Red
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I mean, I can't say I blame anyone for that decision. In your defense, Mark Sanchez.
OriginofHysteria
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Hey now, Mark Sanchez can be good when he's constantly not on the ground or about to be...like yesterday.
Had multiple plays where guys were just diving at the ball carrier with their shoulder. Could have been stops behind the line or close to it if anyone wrapped up and let another finish it.
Some of the issue is scheme, a lot of it is people wanting to look like big hitters and ruining what could be a good defensive play.
Need a better defensive field general out there.
It does seem true. And it makes the losing pill easier to swallow.
Packer fans are a lot better when the Packers lose. When they are playing well then they are unbearable.
Not many teams can handle success the way Steelers fans can. I wish I could prove it to you, but that probably isn't going to happen this year.
TheLegendary
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I could've told you that 2 years ago.
DeaconKnowledge
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I'm gonna wait a little while to go to the Steelers specific boards. Not ready to hear about cutting the entire team for draft picks.
Future PhaZe
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Same situation basically. I think I'm going to win though so I aint even mad.
Thinking about shipping Larry Fitzgerald out for another reciever. I just can't see him producing for me this year with those quarterbacks...
All things considered, the Pats were pretty awesome yesterday.
- Rookies! Jones, Hightower and Wilson were pretty awesome.
- Run defense! Chris Johnson had 4 yards on eleven carries :jnc. Jerod Mayo had 13 tackles.
- Wilfork is a bad motherfucker. Can't not love him with all my heart.
- Run game! Ridley is a gem. Finally someone who can make bigger plays too.
- Pass protection was a lot better. Of course there were a lot of quick passes, but it was still nice to see them not get beat all the time.
- The number of possible targets for Brady is crazy. When Wes Welker is only your No. 4 receiver, that's pretty amazing.
- Brady once again showed Big Ben how to play through an injury to an immensely important body part without whining. That's what a real man looks like!
- Lloyd should've made that catch on the long pass, if only to shut eznark up about Brady's arm.
- Rookies! Jones, Hightower and Wilson were pretty awesome.
- Run defense! Chris Johnson had 4 yards on eleven carries :jnc. Jerod Mayo had 13 tackles.
- Wilfork is a bad motherfucker. Can't not love him with all my heart.
- Run game! Ridley is a gem. Finally someone who can make bigger plays too.
- Pass protection was a lot better. Of course there were a lot of quick passes, but it was still nice to see them not get beat all the time.
- The number of possible targets for Brady is crazy. When Wes Welker is only your No. 4 receiver, that's pretty amazing.
- Brady once again showed Big Ben how to play through an injury to an immensely important body part without whining. That's what a real man looks like!
- Lloyd should've made that catch on the long pass, if only to shut eznark up about Brady's arm.
You would have been wrong 2 years ago.
Troy played well in the first half of 2010 until he got hurt (also an annual occurrence).
Timmons was also lights out to start the season as well and was supposed to the guy to replace Troy as our playmaker.
Since that injury Troy has never been the same. I don't think it was the injury in 2011, moreso just him getting old. And Timmons is approaching bustville.
Then again I don't know why I talk about defense with Packers fans. Packer fans thought Mathews was on a Harrison/Ware tier, when it is clear he is just a one trick pony. He is just a pass rusher (and a good one at that). Too bad the one time the fucker made a play in the running game it was in the fucking SB against Mr. Al Queda (who holds the ball like he WANTS to fumble it).
Alligatorjandro
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Chandler Jones rookie of the year
goldlion054
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I'm concerned for the future of the Deteoit Lions after yesterdays game:
1.) Matthew looked like garbage yesterday. Bad reads lead to interceptions, which lead to him over throwing all of his receivers later out of fear of more interceptions. Too much faith in his arm strength.
2.) Our DB situation is absolutely abysmal. We were making grampsford look like an all pro player. What happens when we play a team with a real passing threat? Lighting up the score boards!
3.) The Dline still looked like it was having a hard time producing pressure, which doesn't bode well
On he bright side, our running game was a bit productive and the run d did a pretty good job against Stephen Jackson. Fortunately Detroit has a cupcake 49ers team coming up next week to instill a bit of confidence on these guys
1.) Matthew looked like garbage yesterday. Bad reads lead to interceptions, which lead to him over throwing all of his receivers later out of fear of more interceptions. Too much faith in his arm strength.
2.) Our DB situation is absolutely abysmal. We were making grampsford look like an all pro player. What happens when we play a team with a real passing threat? Lighting up the score boards!
3.) The Dline still looked like it was having a hard time producing pressure, which doesn't bode well
On he bright side, our running game was a bit productive and the run d did a pretty good job against Stephen Jackson. Fortunately Detroit has a cupcake 49ers team coming up next week to instill a bit of confidence on these guys
cuevas. PhD.
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Did FMT post a mega rant? Did it include something about how bad that d is or was he just blowing mr smith the whole time?
I counter that misery, with "I also have San Fran's defense" and it was on the bench.
I mean, Jets or Packers (At Home). What a kick in the
OriginofHysteria
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I started Gerhart...2 pts. Now I'm down 40 and I still have Ray Rice tonight. Not guaranteed a win had I started AP but I would feel more comfortable.
That doesn't really narrow it down. You fined every soul and their dog in that league...
Get well, bruh.
ActStriker
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He channeled his inner eznark and stopped running because he didn't think the Lord could throw it that far.
I think you're being gang stalked. Be more careful next time! Everyone's in on it!
Including me
FrenchMovieTheme
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Lol now the packers are a playoff team? I guess maybe if they get scab refs the rest of the year and get those ridiculous calls they might be able to crawl to a wildcard spot
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