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New Super Mario Bros. U - Review Thread

Nicktals

Banned
Feep is g4 right? 3.5/5

Edit: " New Super Mario Bros. U is a solid game, but one whose core experience is as conservative as New Super Mario Bros. U is a solid game, but one whose core experience is as conservative as can be and the level design, graphics, and sound are nearly identical to previous entries. The can be and the level design, graphics, and sound are nearly identical to previous entries. The co-op features, however, are excellent, as are the new challenge modes co-op features, however, are excellent, as are the new challenge modes."
 

Tathanen

Get Inside Her!
Slightly OT, but I like that Eurogamer mentioned this at the very end of their review

Um. I am less impressed by their candidness, and more horrified that they are reviewing a game after what sounds like a single session at Nintendo HQ.
 
Lol at G4. I personally enjoyed this comment of the review.

"One of the worst reviews I've ever read, thank God this shitty television network is getting cancelled."
 

Socreges

Banned
Feep is g4 right? 3.5/5

Edit: " New Super Mario Bros. U is a solid game, but one whose core experience is as conservative as New Super Mario Bros. U is a solid game, but one whose core experience is as conservative as can be and the level design, graphics, and sound are nearly identical to previous entries. The can be and the level design, graphics, and sound are nearly identical to previous entries. The co-op features, however, are excellent, as are the new challenge modes co-op features, however, are excellent, as are the new challenge modes."
Did you mess up the quote here? Or is that the worst writing I've ever witnessed?
 

bounchfx

Member
getting more hyped reading stuff, but wow that music is ugh.. :( I don't understand why the direction of NSMB is so bland, but that's the impression I get hearing it. same with (most) of the visuals, unfortunately. really hope nintendo takes a creative jump with the next core mario.
 

guek

Banned
Funny how a 3.5/5 feels ok but a 7/10 feels terrible.

Anyway, I wish feep didn't review nintendo games. I always find him to be overly critical. For example, with how much emphasis he puts on visuals and his general assessment. It's like reviews for people who don't generally like nintendo but don't hate them either. The review itself reads like an 8/10 but I guess a 3.5/5 makes sense too. I guess that says something about game reviews in general.
 
Lol at G4. I personally enjoyed this comment of the review.

"One of the worst reviews I've ever read, thank God this shitty television network is getting cancelled."

Feep's review reads pretty much just like every other review. Lackluster video audio and some really old gameplay elements, but it's all done well. 3.5 isn't a bad score given his complaints. In fact it's a higher score than I would have guessed based on the text. IGN's review is much higher of a score than I would have guessed given all of their complaints. Ultimately the score doesn't matter but the content inside the review does.
 

Socreges

Banned
Funny how a 3.5/5 feels ok but a 7/10 feels terrible.

Anyway, I wish feep didn't review nintendo games. I always find him to be overly critical. For example, with how much emphasis he puts on visuals and his general assessment. It's like reviews for people who don't generally like nintendo but don't hate them either. The review itself reads like an 8/10 but I guess a 3.5/5 makes sense too. I guess that says something about game reviews in general.
To not put too much merit in individual ones?
 

guek

Banned
To not put too much merit in individual ones?

Well I tend not to. I like reading multiple reviews and looking at aggregates to gauge critical reception. But in general, I don't particularly like the game review process that skews towards anything below an 8/10 being unremarkable/mediocre. But that also has a correlation with video game prices where even if a game is only a 6 or 7 out of 10 and still relatively enjoyable, it certainly isn't worth plopping down $60 for.

Anywho, I give feep's 3.5/5 review of NSMBU a 3.5/5 ;-)

surprised it's not straight 10's and A+'s...

That's how I felt about halo 4. But there it sits with a 87 metascore. NSMBU will probably land around 82-84
 

zroid

Banned
Sorry Kajima, I usually agree with you, but this is revisionist history nonsense.

He's right, though. I love the old Mario games and I'll be the last dude to complain about graphics over anything else, but Super Mario World is exceptionally drab-looking compared to its contemporaries. Really, its only strong points visually are the sprites.

The damn IGN video is killing me!

Which video?
 

RagnarokX

Member
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That is one sexy world map.
 

ASIS

Member
Honestly? The world map is one of the main reasons why I'm so hyped for this game. I know its ridiculous but damn!
 

mrklaw

MrArseFace
Big kudos to Eurogamer, this is how it should be

The travel is stupid. It's not like visiting a publisher is glamorous. You're giving them the coverage (or at least the potential for them to show you the game with the option for you to cover it), let them cover travel expenses.
 

ASIS

Member
The travel is stupid. It's not like visiting a publisher is glamorous. You're giving them the coverage (or at least the potential for them to show you the game with the option for you to cover it), let them cover travel expenses.

This would be seen as some form of bribery in some cultures.
 
Feep's review reads pretty much just like every other review. Lackluster video audio and some really old gameplay elements, but it's all done well. 3.5 isn't a bad score given his complaints. In fact it's a higher score than I would have guessed based on the text. IGN's review is much higher of a score than I would have guessed given all of their complaints. Ultimately the score doesn't matter but the content inside the review does.

Oh I'm all for less than favorable reviews, but Feep has a history of being overly negative towards Nintendo. I have a feeling the overall reviews will hover between 84-87%. However, the Mario fanatics like myself will love this game no matter what the score is.
 

mrklaw

MrArseFace
This would be seen as some form of bribery in some cultures.

I'd be happy for a publication to simply state they were invited over to the publisher to take a look at a game. Suggesting bribery for paying travel expenses is silly. Sure, if ubisoft invite you to the Monaco Grand Prix to launch a Rayman racing game, that'd be different
 

ASIS

Member
I'd be happy for a publication to simply state they were invited over to the publisher to take a look at a game. Suggesting bribery for paying travel expenses is silly. Sure, if ubisoft invite you to the Monaco Grand Prix to launch a Rayman racing game, that'd be different

Its more about principle than anything really, which again means different things to different cultures. Its much easier to avoid controversy and just not accept the payment, if it is silly as you believe.
 

sphinx

the piano man
Honestly? The world map is one of the main reasons why I'm so hyped for this game. I know its ridiculous but damn!

it definitely isn't, the world map smells like christmas eve with pancakes and hot choclate made by mama and a Wiiu under your christmas tree the next day.

It's ridiculous but it feels so gamey in the right way, and I hate mario overworlds but this one is really awesome, just to look at it.
 

Gummb

Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about Rayman Legends Wii U.

Yup, feep really likes to be critical to aspects of games I generally put very little value in.

For instance, to mention online in a 2D platformer as an expectation despite zero 2D platformers having online is ridiculous, in my opinion. Second, stating that the early levels are easy is something that I expect 100% out of all 2D mario games ever, minus the lost levels and is not something I would ever speak of as a demerit.

It's an alright review, but gawddamn feep... some of these comments seem arbitrarily put in simply to justify the score rather than a detailed analysis of the game as a whole as a 3.5/5.

This rhetoric is just awful (i'm sorry, I have to):

G4 said:
"New Super Mario Bros U is the first ever first-party Nintendo game produced in high definition, and I’m very unsurprised to say it matters very little."
you are very unsurprised to say that HD matters very little for Nintendo. Really? Just say it doesn't add a lot to the experience.

G4 said:
"The graphical style (save for a few relatively inspired levels in the Soda Jungle) is cribbed from previous entries in the NSMB series, which was never much worth your attention."
- Do you mean it was never worth much of my attention? Because I'd agree... it's a mario title about platforming.

G4 said:
"you’d be hard pressed to differentiate NSMBU from its console predecessor without counting pixels."
- No, I wouldn't be hard pressed at all. Here is a comparison of Wii U vs. Wii.

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"The few changes include the replacement of the propeller suit with the “acorn suit”, functionally similar but offering less vertical lift for the ability to “stick” on walls for a short period of time, new “Nabbit” sequences, in which you chase a thief across a previously traversed level, and a few remixed 1-Up and item challenges…but there simply isn’t enough, at least in this mode." - Did you completely forget about the new world map? Did you forget to mention all those new baby Yoshi's and their abilities? Or how about the ability to play as Miis? Or the Mii-verse integration? Or baby bowser running around randomly? There is nothing else you could think of to put in this section?

G4 said:
"As primarily social features, though, we don’t expect much in terms of differentiating gameplay."
- How about differentiating the experience as a whole?

G4 said:
"These are levels you’ve played before…in high definition, I guess."
- You guess? All the other reviews I've seen have claimed a great mixing of old and new ideas. You saw zero new ideas, you guess? >_>

I'm sorry Feep, but I will never agree with your methodology for writing reviews. They are not thorough, and overly critical of aspects I will never see as fundamental to the experience.
 

Kai Dracon

Writing a dinosaur space opera symphony
The thing about the world map is that it provides thematic organization, which does affect content.

The other NSMB games have modest world maps, true. But even within their themes the organization of stages seemed haphazard. Plus it's good to hear that there are supposedly a lot of secrets, and sometimes the world map is changed by events.
 
Soda Jungle? Rock-Candy Mines?

Why the fuck isn't this game called New Super Mario World? I feel like that would resonate with people more.

This game looks awesome btw. Will be the first game I get when I buy a Wii U (unless Mario Universe is out already).
 
I'm kind of surprised at the IGN video review score. There was the complaint of the barely HD graphics, not breaking of any molds in the imagination department, and the same old rehashed music.

9.1 Amazing

I guess I'd have to play it to see how they arrived at that.
 
I'm kind of surprised at the IGN video review score. There was the complaint of the barely HD graphics, not breaking of any molds in the imagination department, and the same old rehashed music.

9.1 Amazing

I guess I'd have to play it to see how they arrived at that.

To please the fanbase obviously.
 

Amir0x

Banned
Nostalgic Nightmare said:
I'm kind of surprised at the IGN video review score. There was the complaint of the barely HD graphics, not breaking of any molds in the imagination department, and the same old rehashed music.

launch games generally always get reviewed with a +1 score to what they deserve if the game is even remotely decent. It's called wasteland blues, true phenomenon.

Although I don't know how it has 'barely HD graphics.' It has HD graphics, full stop.
 

TheNatural

My Member!
Sounds about what I expected. It's New Super Mario Bros, same type of stuff, except better than the past games in the NSMB series.
 

Goldmund

Member
The turtle dance made me realize something. For the higher-ups at Nintendo it must be really difficult to differentiate between an interest in simplicity and a lust for distilled insipidness.
 

Amir0x

Banned
The turtle dance made me realize something. For the higher-ups at Nintendo it must be really difficult to differentiate between an interest in simplicity and a lust for distilled insipidness.

heh, I don't think I've ever seen someone approach the subject of NSMB this way before. It's actually quite interesting even though I don't know what to think of it in the end lol
 

Vire

Member
Feep's review is right on the money in my opinion.

Extremely conservative game design, offering very little exciting in the game's primary modes
Bland graphic and sound design
No online cooperative or competitive play
Challenge, at least for the first several worlds, is remarkably low

Really disappointing on the cons front. Game design is conservative, bland graphics and sounds, no challenge? :/
 

Kodiak

Not an asshole.
I can say this: NSMB 3DS was a solid 7.5 for the price tag. NSMBU is a solid 8.5-9 for the price tag. At any lower price, it is a must buy and equally as good as NSBWii.

(I got a chance to play about 5 hours of it at a friend's place yesterday. I enjoyed it immensely!)
 

Amir0x

Banned
Challenge, at least for the first several worlds, is remarkably low

This remains my complaint with all the NSMB games. None of them even get remotely particularly creative until the last third of the product, and most don't even bother to attempt challenge until the last world or two. Sad to see the trend continuing.

At least with Super Mario Galaxy the variety was so superlative that it made up for the oft times limited challenge.
 
So gameinformers are the only one doing a proper review by waiting with the score until they've fully experienced all the components of the game?

lol at the state of the gaming journalism industry.
 

Kodiak

Not an asshole.
This remains my complaint with all the NSMB games. None of them even get remotely particularly creative until the last third of the product, and most don't even bother to attempt challenge until the last world or two. Sad to see the trend continuing.

At least with Super Mario Galaxy the variety was so superlative that it made up for the oft times limited challenge.

I understand your complaint, but Nintendo designs their games (especially mainline marios and pokemans) as if it could be the first time you've ever played a game.

If it is like 3DLand, the main game had a very gradual difficulty curve and then a much steeper curve in the special worlds.
 

Amir0x

Banned
I understand your complaint, but Nintendo designs their games (especially mainline marios and pokemans) as if it could be the first time you've ever played a game.

If it is like 3DLand, the main game had a very gradual difficulty curve and then a much steeper curve in the special worlds.

Right, and I am pretty much implying that they should at this point either utilize what they claim Super Guide was for or they should just stop pretending that most people buying these games haven't already played at least one Mario game in their lives.

It's frustrating because it really is starting to hold Mario games back from the greatness of peers which are increasingly gaining footing and, in some ways, superiority.
 
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