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[Fenderputty]

I'm not defending Nintendo so much as the philosophy. I believe in doing more with less.

And then called everyone who like graphics nerdy manchildren while you continue to defend your prefered console as though it was an immediate family member.

The amount of people who lack the ability to see things from the other perspective in this thread is amazing.

 

[Pie and Beans]

Really man? Thanks for telling me that, I've only been playing games for 27 years.

Well keep playing them then, they're really great! But maybe make a new years resolution to kick the corporation apologist stuff to the curb if you've been doing that for just as long.

 

[PhantomR]

I think we'll see some handsome first party software by the time all's said and done but the notion that we will say 'wow' is well out of the window.

I and MANY other people were pretty wowed by stuff like Mario Galaxy, Xenoblade, Red Steel 2, Monster Hunter Tri, Last Story, and Skyward Sword.

The Wii put out some pretty incredible visuals in relation to the hardware it was on.

I expect the same to be the case with Wii U.

 

[GreggTheGrimReaper]

Hardware isn't just for graphics, good lord. Its for AI, its for computational stuff like destructable environments (MGRising for instance), its for worlds like Minecraft, giant seamless environments with quick streaming. Its for gameplay. Visuals on a screen in conjunction with your input, wonderous things. More power always welcomed.

This post should be a sticky.

 

[Thunder Monkey]

Sounds like you have some wise friends

Nah, just assholes.

I mean if you want Nintendo games there's no other way to get them than by buying a WiiU. Hardware power means little if the games you want are there.

 

[CambriaRising]

The butthurtness is strong with these two.

Ironic.

 

[Gahiggidy]

nvm.

 

[djtiesto]

"Hardware doesn't matter" is something said by extremely shortsighted people. It ignores how the hardware guides design choices and how it encourages or discourages aesthetic decisions that both convey and work closely with the mechanics (which are similarly hardware-guided!) in all of these ridiculously complicated games.

but yeah, sure, hardware doesn't matter and bayonetta would exist and be just fine on a gameboy pocket.

Just curious, how many games do you think this gen took advantage of its power? Granted, Bayonetta wouldn't exist on an original GB, but if it took a hit in polycount it'd fit in just fine last gen, as DMC1/3/NG proved. Fuck, the most impressive game for me this gen was a Wii title!

Not to mention, I am one of those people who think limitation quite often breeds creativity...

 

[Coolwhip]

it sounds like he has nauseatingly closed minded neogaffers as friends

Heh, imagine your friends caring about pity things like specs of gaming consoles, enough to bother you with it. I'd like to keep that on GAF.

 

[metalslimer]

Sounds like you have some wise friends

More witty posts courtesy of Heavy everyone.

 

[jufonuk]

well still going to get one. around summer 2013. i look forward to stunning 1st party games. some great exclusive and mediocre ports.

nintendo you crazy bastards you

i am disappoint. but would be lying if i claimed i wasn't going to get a wii u

 

[moonbox]

A lot of people suspect that its origin stems from Yiddish-American people who are saying it sarcastically. Just imagine Woody Allen throwing up his hands and sarcastically saying, "I could care less!" I agree that in text it doesn't really translate, but that's what some people smarter than you or I suspect:

Its origin is completely irrelevant. The factor under dispute here is its usage. If the rationale behind its usage is the same as the literal phrase, then it is nothing but nonsense; nonsense spat from the mouth of somebody who simply knows no better. Stupidity, ignorance, who cares? It makes no sense.

Those who use the phrase knowingly, sarcastically from the outset, great. Good for them, they aren't stupid. Still, here's a quote from my previous post:

I've read that theory, but the people who use the phrase go on to look up the rationality behind it after they've been criticised for using it to begin with. And they find this theory, and use it to justify their own usage of the phrase, despite the fact that prior to looking it up they only ever used the phrase out of ignorance, not sarcasm.

I agree that in text it doesn't really translate, but that's what some people smarter than you or I suspect:

Don't pretend to be objective if you're going to follow it up with such patronising bullshit please.

 

[EatinOlives]

You think that's what I'm saying?

The closer interpretation would be "There's only a handful of games on this generation of consoles that is not possible on the generation prior in a pure mechanics sense."

Take away frivolities of their design and they'd be possible. At some point you're not improving the core mechanics by increasing hardware power, just increasing visual fidelity. Which is a part of videogames (video being one of it's descriptors), but not the only. In a mechanics sense... 360 hardware can achieve just about any gameplay scenario you can envision.

It just depends on what priorities you have. If you want 100's if not thousands of individualized characters on screen? Still not impossible to achieve on the 360. If you want all of them to have randomized pathways and scripting? That will take concessions on the visual side, or just more power to achieve the fidelity intended.

But nothing about that denies my post.

Not sure I follow your train of logic here. Theoretically, we can make literally the most complex game ever made with zero graphics, just literally lines and dots, but what does that matter in a realistic sense? The whole point of improving console hardware is to NOT have to make visual concessions, in addition to marrying this increase in visual fidelity with increased complexity in games. Saying "aw, we can make any game we want, just lower the graphics" is basically treating the visual side of a video game as an unnecessary frivolity, which couldn't be further from the truth. Both have to improve at roughly equal rates. Have they? I think so, I'm not sure where you're getting the idea that only a handful of games aren't possible on previous generations of hardware once you take away the graphics. Based on my experiences with both I could tell you that's not the case.

 

[Shion]

I love how Nintendo fans say that "hardware and graphics don't matter".

Yet, the same people almost had heart attacks at the sight of that Xbox 360-looking Zelda tech demo.

Also, funny thing how most of Nintendo fans say "Wii U + PC". Choosing PCs over consoles for 3rd party games is a weird choice for people who don't care about graphics.

 

[HAL_Laboratory]

Ironic.

Haha yes, I'm butthurt that Sony / Xbot fanboys have nothing better to do than troll a brand new system using last gen standards and mindset. I feel like crying. If anything I'm trying to be one of the only voices in a sea of hate that actually supports the philosophy.

 

[Meelow]

I love how Nintendo fans say that "hardware and graphics don't matter".

Yet, the same people almost had heart attacks at the sight of that Xbox 360-looking Zelda tech demo.

Also, funny thing how most of Nintendo fans say "Wii U + PC". Choosing PCs over consoles for 3rd party games is a weird choice for people who don't care about graphics.

Right...

 

[SmokyDave]

This is kind of silly. I think the point is, there is a lot more to a game that can wow you than the number of polygons. Think SMG, Rayman Origins, Muramasa, Bastion, Xenoblade, etc. The graphics will likely be unimpressive in comparison to PC and newer consoles, but the idea that it won't be able to wow people is kind of dumb.

Think Rayman Origins 3DS.

Think Rayman Origins Vita.

The prosecution rests.

 

[metalslimer]

I love how Nintendo fans say that "hardware and graphics don't matter".

Yet, the same people almost had heart attacks at the sight of that Xbox 360-looking Zelda tech demo.

Also, funny thing how most of Nintendo fans say "Wii U + PC". Choosing PCs over consoles for 3rd party games is a weird choice for people who don't care about graphics.

It is hypocritical, but you are generalizing a bunch of people into one group. Do you have any specific examples of people saying Wii U+PC and then saying graphics don't matter?

Think Rayman Origins 3DS.

Think Rayman Origins Vita.

Pretty bad example as the gameplay in the game was not affected by the graphics at all. It was designed for a much higher resolution than the 3DS could output. A better example is Dead Rising vs CTYD

 

[Coolwhip]

I love how Nintendo fans say that "hardware and graphics don't matter".

Yet, the same people almost had heart attacks at the sight of that Xbox 360-looking Zelda tech demo.

Also, funny thing how most of Nintendo fans say "Wii U + PC". Choosing PCs over consoles for 3rd party games is a weird choice for people who don't care about graphics.

Noone says they don't matter. You probably just want to read that for the sake of your arguement. BUT... the emphasis some people on GAF put on tech makes you wonder if they are having fun with games, or just touching themselves to pixels, shaders and other effects.

 

[Maxrunner]

The problem is Nintendo won't get software from top teams because these teams like to push the latest tech possible. So it might end being a bit better but this will be very identical to the Wii situation....

 

[HAL_Laboratory]

And then called everyone who like graphics nerdy manchildren

Nice spin bro!

 

[Combichristoffersen]

well still going to get one. around summer 2013. i look forward to stunning 1st party games. some great exclusive and mediocre ports.

nintendo you crazy bastards you

i am disappoint. but would be lying if i claimed i wasn't going to get a wii u

Couldn't help laughing at that :lol

Spoiler

I know that feel, I've had a PS3 as my main platform this entire gen

 

[Gahiggidy]

I love how Nintendo fans say that "hardware and graphics don't matter".

Yet, the same people almost had heart attacks at the sight of that Xbox 360-looking Zelda tech demo.

Also, funny thing how most of Nintendo fans say "Wii U + PC". Choosing PCs over consoles for 3rd party games is a weird choice for people who don't care about graphics.

Were just saying Wii U + PC as a recommendation for people who care about cutting edge graphics but also want to play the best exclusives.

 

[Kosma]

Haha yes, I'm butthurt that Sony / Xbot fanboys have nothing better to do than troll a brand new system using last gen standards and mindset. I feel like crying. If anything I'm trying to be one of the only voices in a sea of hate that actually supports the philosophy.

But it's Nintendo with the last gen standards and mindset. Like 2005 Xbox 36- standard, but as online mindset I'd put it around xbox 1 territory, but a bit less integrated.

 

[Saint Gregory]

God, this thread started out ugly and it's just getting uglier.

 

[LeleSocho]

I love how you completely factor out the interface as if that weren't the focus of the system. Bravo!

Oh the useless focus of the console made only for one game? it's always the same thing they force you to a certain control scheme only for that one single game miyamoto or whoever else have in mind, for the wii it was Zelda SS , the 3ds is SML3D and so on...

You are defending a corporation that gives you stuff old of 6-7 years for a questionable gimmick made only for one game that you can or cannot like using the argument that what they do is what really make the progresses in the gaming world and they are the only ones that does that although totally ignoring what the others have done with things like the online (if it weren't for microsoft and sony the online like we know it wouldn't exist) and what incredible games we have thanks to the ones who care about power...

Should i make you note that you are the only one in this thread that is doing a total damage control without admitting not even one of objective flaws of the console and of the ones who made it?
You are totally an unique individual and i admire you for your persistence but it's time to let go something agains Nintendo, they aren't perfect.

Damn i probably will get banned for this post or at least will have a warning and i'm not really making anything to make this thread a better place but goddamn...

 

[NewFresh]

I love how Nintendo fans say that "hardware and graphics don't matter".

Yet, the same people almost had heart attacks at the sight of that Xbox 360-looking Zelda tech demo.

Also, funny thing how most of Nintendo fans say "Wii U + PC". Choosing PCs over consoles for 3rd party games is a weird choice for people who don't care about graphics.

Not everyone who decides that Getting a Wii U for first party exclusives and a PC for third party games is what you are describing.

 

[Camp Lo]

Was gonna wait till Zelda but I might have to get one sooner than later.

 

[EatinOlives]

Noone says they don't matter. You probably just want to read that for the sake of your arguement. BUT... the emphasis some people on GAF put on tech makes you wonder if they are having fun with games, or just touching themselves to pixels, shaders and other effects.

Well that's certainly a comfortable argument, isn't it?

"I can jizz to the Zelda Wii U tech demo because OMGGRAPHIX, but only as far as Nintendo decides it's important. If people want more, they're now graphics whores"

Have your cake and eat it too, etc.

 

[Lancehead]

Just curious, how many games do you think this gen took advantage of its power? Granted, Bayonetta wouldn't exist on an original GB, but if it took a hit in polycount it'd fit in just fine last gen, as DMC1/3/NG proved. Fuck, the most impressive game for me this gen was a Wii title!

Not to mention, I am one of those people who think limitation quite often breeds creativity...

I fail to understand why the existence of beautiful visuals (art and tech) must make a mechanical difference to gameplay in order to appreciate the value of them. Who doesn't enjoy beautiful visuals, and why? Downplaying their importance reeks of cognitive dissonance.

Edit: This is not necessarily directed at you.

 

[KageMaru]

I'm not talking about Dave here, but the moment a title can be said to run or look better on it, we'll revert back to "DUHURR well done beating 2006 hardware!" and round and round we go

Prior to the Wii-U's launch and recent hardware discoveries, we had members who took issue with people saying the CPU wasn't based on (or related to in any way) Watson, the console was closer to the PS360 than the 720/PS4, that there was nothing special about the Zelda/Bird tech demos, and so on. The importance of hardware power in the Wii-U continued on when news hit about the first line of ports, with many people falling on the "lazy dev" bullshit excuse or the developers just don't wish to use to learn how to use the system correctly conspiracy theory.

However now, many people are reverting back to the whole power isn't that important, this is good because of dev costs, etc.

So how is that any different?

That being said, freaking out about the CPU speed is useless in my opinion. If it was a huge issue we wouldn't see any competent ports. As mentioned earlier, Assassin's Creed III has been an on-par experience and for the most part, Black Ops 2 has been as well (Multiplayer).

Problem is, these hardware components are expected to carry the Wii-U for the next 5-6 years. Current gen ports won't be in question, instead it will be ports from newer consoles which are much faster than the Wii-U. I think that's a realistic and understandable concern.

The hyperbole about the system being a failure, games not running well and the doubt of the Zelda E3 demo being realized on the Wii U is kind of ridiculous. The best part about the Wii U is that it's different, yet again, like the Wii was. They know being a me too console is not going to benefit them, so they have to provide a differentiating factor. I'm also hoping the same for Microsoft and Sony - and I'm also hoping they echo the message as Nintendo that they don't want to add to rising development costs, because no one is going to buy a $599 console in this economy.

Again, there was nothing special about the Zelda demo. I don't think many doubted the Zelda demo could be done, instead many of us were pointing out how it's not some grand representation of a huge technical achievement like some were claiming it to be.

Also, you don't need to release a $600 console to provide a generational leap in performance. A generational leap in performance also does not have to result in massive jumps in development budget. <- these two points seem to elude many Nintendo fans for some reason.

I just find it baffling people are so quick to jump on calling the console a failure. To me if I was so concerned about specifications, I'd jump on the PC wagon (I plan to anyway) instead because then that way I'd ensure I'd have the most powerful machine that can be upgraded in a few years.

I agree that people shouldn't be calling the console a failure, it just launched and no launch is without it's issues.

However I see nothing wrong with wishing for power as a console gamer. It's not so much about owning the most powerful machine for gaming but instead having a new machine that is powerful enough to offer a good leap in performance compared to the previous generation of hardware.

A few modifications here and there. arkam alluding to it have pixel crunching capability in excess of standard SM4 functionality.

No powerhouse by any stretch. Still I question the necessity of more to realize a vision.

I'm curious to know what these modifications may be.

I'm just saying that it's a realistic possibility that many titles next gen may have a vision too grand for the Wii-U to properly run.

 

[phosphor112]

When you eat Mexican food, do you focus on the Mexican, or the food?
When you have a hot girlfriend, do you focus on the hotness or the girlfriend?

Being shallow leads to bad food, bad relationships, and bad games.

You focus on both? Otherwise you either just get food, or even worse, just Mexican. And I'm not into eating other people.

 

[EviLore]

Haha yes, I'm butthurt that Sony / Xbot fanboys have nothing better to do than troll a brand new system using last gen standards and mindset. I feel like crying. If anything I'm trying to be one of the only voices in a sea of hate that actually supports the philosophy.

Step one, shift the focus of the thread to be about you and your ego.

Step two, respond to every single person who calls you out.

Step three, become overwhelmed, get angry and personal and no longer say anything of substance.

Final destination: I'm the only sane one in a sea of Xbots and Sony Ponies!

 

[jackal27]

Everything is going to be alright you guys. Nintendo may make some out there decisions sometimes, but I'm almost positive that the WiiU will still be a great console with some really fun games to play.

I'm not going to pretend to understand how developers work with hardware or how much the WiiU's GPU makes up for its CPU or whatever. Going off of what I know about Nintendo, this console is still going to be great despite all the doomsday prophesies.

 

[jerd]

Think Rayman Origins 3DS.

Think Rayman Origins Vita.

The prosecution rests.

I assume that was a bad port or something? Anyway not my point. I had been playing games in HD for a couple of years before I first played SMG and something like six years before I played Xenoblade and both still wowed me. I played Bastion for the first time in June and it wowed me, but it sure wasn't because of the number of polygons.

Step one, shift the focus of the thread to be about you and your ego.

Step two, respond to every single person who calls you out.

Step three, become overwhelmed, get angry and personal and no longer say anything of substance.

Final destination: I'm the only sane one in a sea of Xbots and Sony Ponies!

YES!!!

 

[radioheadrule83]

Think Rayman Origins 3DS.

Think Rayman Origins Vita.

The prosecution rests.

I own Rayman Origins 3DS, and for all its performance trouble and lack of polish as a port, the great gameplay core still shines through enough to make it better than some shoddy shit I've been exposed to on other more powerful consoles. I wouldn't counsel anyone to buy that version though, certainly, but it's not a very convincing prosecution. Where is Vita's Art Academy? And I know you're not a fan of them, but RE: Revelations and SM3DL are two other games that I have also enjoyed more than recent console entries in those series

 

[Drinky Crow]

thunder monkey: i don't think that's true. the next gen augurs a LOT more procedural behaviors that are more effectively enabled on platforms with vastly greater resources for parallelization, especially dynamic properties from script and graph processing through material and physical behaviors, and which will open up all sorts of new gameplay models and experiences as the libraries and tools for them start to surface.

i've argued elsewhere, and still argue, that the wii's greatest failing and what will prevent it from getting many next gen aaa ports is the lack of proper resources for a higher degree of parallelization.

 

[metalslimer]

Noone says they don't matter. You probably just want to read that for the sake of your arguement. BUT... the emphasis some people on GAF put on tech makes you wonder if they are having fun with games, or just touching themselves to pixels, shaders and other effects.

Actually, a bunch of people in this thread have said that graphics don't matter. I think the mindset that graphics don't matter is just as annoying as the tech people who wouldn't play any Wii game because of the lack of graphics. Great games can be made on any hardware is true, but some people take the mentality too far.

 

[Specialmias]

I'm dumb, I'll admit that.

But uh, it's a newer version of the CPU used by the original Imac in 1998?

 

[Oblivion]

I know that clock speeds don't paint the whole picture, but a 1.2 ghz > 3.2 ghz gap is pretty durn huge.

Do we have any examples of clockspeed differentials that large in CPUs where it didn't ultimately matter in the end?

 

[SapientWolf]

And they've had it for a while and know all about it. I'm asking why we as consumers care now. If this information had been out months ago, that's one thing. But people have this in their homes. They see what it can do. Obviously it'll look better as the platform develops and developers get more comfortable with it.

We all knew it was about the level of the current gen systems. And it sounds like this is just confirming that (P4 v P3 post, etc). I just don't know what there is to discuss besides the same thing people have been posting for the past few months. It's just like everyone rotates between threads, posting their "Wii U sucks" or "Wii U is awesome" posts, having the same arguments over and over again, only to leave angry until the next Wii U thread pops up and goes 120 pages.

Because some developers are going to deal with it and some just won't/can't. The hardware capabilities bring a little more context to the porting decisions and how those ports turn out.

 

[Thunder Monkey]

Not sure I follow your train of logic here. Theoretically, we can make literally the most complex game ever made with zero graphics, just literally lines and dots, but what does that matter in a realistic sense? The whole point of improving console hardware is to NOT have to make visual concessions, in addition to marrying this increase in visual fidelity with increased complexity in games. Saying "aw, we can make any game we want, just lower the graphics" is basically treating the visual side of a video game as an unnecessary frivolity, which couldn't be further from the truth. Both have to improve at roughly equal rates. Have they? I think so, I'm not sure where you're getting the idea that only a handful of games aren't possible on previous generations of hardware once you take away the graphics. Based on my experiences with both I could tell you that's not the case.

Assassin's Creed is one of the few that I'd be hesitant to say would translate well to the PS2. You'd lose asset diversity, collision complexity, and of course detail. Collision complexity is the stickler. The rest could be approximated at of course lower quality. Does this change the game in a mechanics sense? Not really no. Mainly in visual.

I love how Nintendo fans say that "hardware and graphics don't matter".

Yet, the same people almost had heart attacks at the sight of that Xbox 360-looking Zelda tech demo.

Also, funny thing how most of Nintendo fans say "Wii U + PC". Choosing PCs over consoles for 3rd party games is a weird choice for people who don't care about graphics.

Hardware and visuals matter.

We are talking about a tech oriented industry. I've just always thought that the necessity of them are oversold. Games can still be fun on something with effectively the power of a PS2 with a single input (iOS).

They don't need hardware power to achieve "fun".

They are rarely hurt by it either.

 

[Amneisac]

Its origin is completely irrelevant. The factor under dispute here is its usage. If the rationale behind its usage is the same as the literal phrase, then it is nothing but nonsense; nonsense spat from the mouth of somebody who simply knows no better. Stupidity, ignorance, who cares? It makes no sense.

Those who use the phrase knowingly, sarcastically from the outset, great. Good for them, they aren't stupid. Still, here's a quote from my previous post:





Don't pretend to be objective if you're going to follow it up with such patronising bullshit please.

Fair enough, sounds like you've put a lot of thought into this. I just wanted to offer an explanation for why it's part of the vernacular.

Indeed. It's so fucking retarded, honestly. It pisses me off to no end. It's just pure stupidity.

You just got so mad about it I thought I could soothe your rage with a little perspective.

 

[Fenderputty]

Haha yes, I'm butthurt that Sony / Xbot fanboys have nothing better to do than troll a brand new system using last gen standards and mindset. I feel like crying. If anything I'm trying to be one of the only voices in a sea of hate that actually supports the philosophy.

Firstly ... you calling ANYONE a fanboy is the epitome of irony.

Secondly, have you ever considered that the "360/PS3 fanboys" you speak of were anxiously waiting to see if Nintendo would deliver? I know I was hoping they would. Am I upset that they released a console on par with what's been available for 6-7 years coupled with a new gimmick controller? Yes I am. Why would you think gamers in my position would react any way other being upset?

 

[radioheadrule83]

Prior to the Wii-U's launch and recent hardware discoveries, we had members who took issue with people saying the CPU wasn't based on (or related to in any way) Watson, the console was closer to the PS360 than the 720/PS4, that there was nothing special about the Zelda/Bird tech demos, and so on. The importance of hardware power in the Wii-U continued on when news hit about the first line of ports, with many people falling on the "lazy dev" bullshit excuse or the developers just don't wish to use to learn how to use the system correctly conspiracy theory.

However now, many people are reverting back to the whole power isn't that important, this is good because of dev costs, etc.

So how is that any different?

It isn't. Like I said round and round we go.

Firstly ... you calling ANYONE a fanboy is the epitome of irony.

Secondly, have you ever considered that the "360/PS3 fanboys" you speak of were anxiously waiting to see if Nintendo would deliver? I know I was hoping they would. Am I upset that they released a console on par with what's been available for 6-7 years coupled with a new gimmick controller? Yes I am. Why would you think gamers in my position would react any way other being upset?

Because you can just buy something else next year, and until then nobody is forcing you to buy this thing?

If you're a huge Nintendo fan and you're disappointed for the sake of what it means for Nintendo games, fair enough - but I don't get the feeling that you are. I would argue they believe they have built the machine they feel best enables them to continue making great games at this point in time, and reach the broadest possible audience, and that they have built it around an idea they believe in.

 

[jerd]

I know that clock speeds don't paint the whole picture, but a 1.2 ghz > 3.2 ghz gap is pretty durn huge.

Do we have any examples of clockspeed differentials that huge in CPUs where it didn't ultimately matter in the end?

I assume you're wanting a "don't worry all is not lost" sort of comment so I'll just tell you to go back and read where marcan said you can't compare the CPUs clock for clock.

 

[Coolwhip]

Well that's certainly a comfortable argument, isn't it?

"I can jizz to the Zelda Wii U tech demo because OMGGRAPHIX, but only as far as Nintendo decides it's important. If people want more, they're now graphics whores"

Have your cake and eat it too, etc.

No let me tell you why you're wrong. I can only speak for myself of course but, I am not a graphics whore by any means. But obviously I can appreciate when something looks nice, the Wii U Zelda demo looked great to me. The demo was ps360 level of visuals and there were graphics whores bashing is for looking like ps360 level. Those people are the problem, they can't appreciate something that looks solid. No.. it has to be better than ANYTHING ever released before it. That mindset is just silly and has nothing to do with playing games.

 

[SmokyDave]

I assume that was a bad port or something? Anyway not my point. I had been playing games in HD for a couple of years before I first played SMG and something like six years before I played Xenoblade and both still wowed me. I played Bastion for the first time in June and it wowed me, but it sure wasn't because of the number of polygons.

Fair enough. Diff'rent strokes and all that. I can't be wowed when low specs lead to glaring flaws that could've been alleviated on rival platforms.

I own Rayman Origins 3DS, and for all its performance trouble and lack of polish as a port, the great gameplay core still shines through enough to make it better than some shoddy shit I've been exposed to on other more powerful consoles. I wouldn't counsel anyone to buy that version though, certainly, but it's not a very convincing prosecution. Where is Vita's Art Academy? And I know you're not a fan of them, but RE: Revelations and SM3DL are two other games that I have also enjoyed more than recent console entries in those series

Woah woah woah. I LOVED SM3DL. I'd have loved it more on Vita, with tastier graphics and a better d-pad, but regardless I loved it. Great game.

 

[jackal27]

I assume that was a bad port or something? Anyway not my point. I had been playing games in HD for a couple of years before I first played SMG and something like six years before I played Xenoblade and both still wowed me. I played Bastion for the first time in June and it wowed me, but it sure wasn't because of the number of polygons.

This. I seem to be one of the few people who really loved my Wii and the experiences I had on it that I couldn't find anywhere else. Sure, it may be the same deal on the WiiU, who knows, but I still played my Wii, my DS, and indie games on my PC more than any of my other consoles this gen. It may just be the type of games I enjoy though.

I may not own a WiiU, but none of the brouhaha I've heard on GAF has really convinced me of anything other than that nobody riles up a crowd quite like the unpredictability of Nintendo.

 

[Drinky Crow]

that 3.4 ghz p4 gets decimated by a 1.6ghz ulv core i5